4K Movies Releases

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Unfortunately, being an early adopter will mean I'll probably be restricted to 8-bit SDR gamut-mapped .709 output from UHD BD while everyone else can swan in, buy a 10-bit HDR P3 4K TV and enjoy all that UHD content at its best off of my back, but that's okay. Just think of me while you're enjoying it, folks. Remember my noble sacrifice, and that of my fellow early adopter brothers!

In all seriousness, I just didn't see HDR coming, and although the expanded dynamic range of Sony's 2014 sets was a big tip of the hat it came too late for me, for by then the deed was done. If I had known, I would've thought twice about buying the 4K set when I did. I knew I wouldn't get the full gamut & bit depth (not least with 4K60 content, restricted as it is by the 10.2Gb/s HDMI chipsets) and I could live with that, but with HDR on top that's a triple-threat of PQ improvements that I'm gonna be missing out on. Boo-urns.

Well I wouldn’t feel toooo much buyer’s remorse as the dam isn’t about to imminently break open with refined HDR content (it’s still a learning process for most everyone from acquisition thru color grading) on quality 4K HDR-capable flat panels at attractive pricing.

Plus, by the time there is plenty of content to choose from and the signal delivery to signal display process is hardware/software elegant, you’ll probably be ready for your 2nd 4K tv anyway…..that is if you’ve got good medical coverage over thar in the UK for your recent ankle mishap and your pocket book hasn’t been drained.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

I haven't seen HDR, but I have read the accounts of several who attended CES that viewed the demos ( Life of Pi, Exodus, etc.; but I think that 95% of the people that purchase HDR capable sets, when first viewing HDR content, will be looking for the HDR OFF switch as soon as the first 1000 nit highlight appears.

95%, eh?

Well Ray, see, there you go, just another reason to advance your hobby (the promotion of OLED flat panels) to the unwashed masses. As I can eyes-on (without fatigue) assure you that the Sony 4K HDR capable (1000 nits) OLED master monitor demoed at the last SMPTE Tech conference showing ‘Carnival’ content graded for 1000 nits….looked superb.

Something that other readers should be aware of, who haven’t seen well graded HDR on an ~ 800–1000 nit capable TV, is that the main component of the image (in terms of luminance) isn’t skyrocketing to 1000 nits – it’s just the highlight that gets extended… rather than clipped. In fact, don’t be surprised if by using windows and keys during the color grading of the HDR versions that the operator decreases the light level of certain areas of the frame in scenes that otherwise worked perfectly in standard dynamic range.

With experience, should come content creator skill, in consistently hitting that sweet spot between underutilizing and overutilizing dynamic range.

Originally Posted by raygendreau

A level headed look at HDR by John Archer:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinio...sion-explained

Does that mean John suffers from benign paroxysmal positional vertigo? (just kidding, thought for once we'd give some attention to dem ears rather dem eyes).

Not too bad for a journo, who this time around appears to have increased the quality of his reporting and editorializing since – https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=4230

To nitpick, in the first paragraph of his piece on HDR, perhaps for reporter/blogger types attending consumer electronics shows, where he says HDR “only really started to ‘bubble under’ at the IFA 2014 Show in Berlin", but I’d assert that it was the demo showing off the capabilities of the Alexa at the Arri booth using a Dolby monitor at IBC 2013 where HDR first turned the heads and opened the eyes of professionals as to what lie ahead.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Arsenal’s in the FA Cup Final.

Now to hope Villa beats Liverpool.

P.S.
Peter...

Villa’s in.

Peter, don't forget to set your DVR for May 30th and Arsenal for the win.
http://www.wembleystadium.com/Events...l/FA-Cup-Final

[raygendreau]

I was watching Skyfall last night in a low ambient light environment on my Sony Bravia HX800. Anyone remember the scene at Skyfall when the helicopter turns on the brilliant spotlight that pans across the screen?

That spotlight is around 130 nits on my set. Do I really need more?

It seems to me that whatever the HDR standard settled on, part of the map to display capability should include sensing the viewing environment and adjusting the contrast accordingly.

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

To nitpick, in the first paragraph of his piece on HDR, perhaps for reporter/blogger types attending consumer electronics shows, where he says HDR “only really started to ‘bubble under’ at the IFA 2014 Show in Berlin", but I’d assert that it was the demo showing off the capabilities of the Alexa at the Arri booth using a Dolby monitor at IBC 2013 where HDR first turned the heads and opened the eyes of professionals as to what lie ahead.

he also incorrectly states that until today consumers had to chose between 4K and OLED. So apparently the only OLED available in 2014 was LG's 1080p? that's interesting, because it's completely and utterly wrong.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Well I wouldn’t feel toooo much buyer’s remorse as the dam isn’t about to imminently break open with refined HDR content (it’s still a learning process for most everyone from acquisition thru color grading) on quality 4K HDR-capable flat panels at attractive pricing.

Plus, by the time there is plenty of content to choose from and the signal delivery to signal display process is hardware/software elegant, you’ll probably be ready for your 2nd 4K tv anyway…..that is if you’ve got good medical coverage over thar in the UK for your recent ankle mishap and your pocket book hasn’t been drained.

Replacing the TV has gone right to the bottom of my list of priorities for the next few years. Not having a job kinda does that to ya! I've got an extended guarantee for it though, if it were to develop a panel fault later this year then I'd get it swapped for the 55X930C.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

...How does the film look?

It’s L0%king….http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/paul_blart_mall_cop_2/

Critic-proof …http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/

And esp. good, given its budget.

[Richard Paul]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Informational access is available to members of the SMPTE HDR working group; otherwise, you might get lucky if you asked…. http://www.technicolor.com/en/edouard-francois for some tidbits on it.

If Technicolor is proposing it to SMPTE that would mean they are hoping to make it a standard. I was just a bit surprised that Technicolor didn't make a HEVC proposal though I guess they have no reason to hurry since the next version of HEVC won't be finished until next year.

Originally Posted by spectre08

considering it'll probably be another 2-4 years before we see sets with full specs at semi-reasonable consumer prices, I'm not sweating my decision to purchase a 2014 set at all.

HDR sounds promising but I do wonder whether HDR video will mostly use an absolute luminance system (which uses the same brightness for all viewing environments) or a relative luminance system (the brightness depends on the viewing environment). We have heard a lot about the Dolby HDR system (which uses an absolute luminance system) but most of the HDR systems being proposed to the ITU use a relative luminance system.

[Penton-Man]

Carolyn (for THR) scooping at CinemaCon….Star Wars and HDR (Dolby Vision) - http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/beh...awakens-790757

[Penton-Man]

Today...https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...l#post10652499

[tob]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Villa’s in.

Peter, don't forget to set your DVR for May 30th and Arsenal for the win.
http://www.wembleystadium.com/Events...l/FA-Cup-Final

Cup final again.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I consider that ^ an improved change in philosophy, for given your past postings, I understood you as being anti-HDR for new, as well as, old films and at most, neutral/unmoved to what’s been said exclusively on Blu-ray.com about its value to broadcast sports since recently before NAB 2015 and even as far back as 2013

Improved? Check my post history, I said "None of my favourite films were shot with HDR in mind" and that has not changed.

[BozQ]

Ang Lee shooting his next movie in 4K, 120 frames per second. Using Sony F65. Good luck trying to project this in cinemas.

http://www.slashfilm.com/ang-lee-120-frames/

[Geoff D]

Well, the great thing about 120 is that it divides cleanly into multiples of 24, so depending on what shutter angle they're using they should still be able to extract a good looking 24fps version from it for regular projection. But yeah, 120fps projection might be a wee bit tricky...

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Well, the great thing about 120 is that it divides cleanly into multiples of 24, so depending on what shutter angle they're using they should still be able to extract a good looking 24fps version from it for regular projection. But yeah, 120fps projection might be a wee bit tricky...

how many theaters are left that have ONLY film projectors? I feel the you would have a bigger problem if you wanted to send out a film solely in 35mm.

[Geoff D]

Not sure what 35mm has to do with it. One format may be dying and the other (120fps) is only just starting out, but the point remains: getting 120fps out of anything other than a bespoke theater install is going to be troublesome. Even Barco's baddest bad boy of a cinema projector will only give you 60fps. They have 120fps listed for 3D, i.e. 60fps per eye, so clearly they've got enough processing throughput to handle it but would need a firmware upgrade to do 120fps 2D. Peter Jackson had enough clout to get the 48fps upgrades out there (although not in a huge amount of cinemas, not in the UK anyway) but I think Ang Lee might have a bit more trouble with convincing theater owners to indulge this latest format.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Not sure what 35mm has to do with it. One format may be dying and the other (120fps) is only just starting out, but the point remains: getting 120fps out of anything other than a bespoke theater install is going to be troublesome. Even Barco's baddest bad boy of a cinema projector will only give you 60fps. They have 120fps listed for 3D, i.e. 60fps per eye, so clearly they've got enough processing throughput to handle it but would need a firmware upgrade to do 120fps 2D. Peter Jackson had enough clout to get the 48fps upgrades out there (although not in a huge amount of cinemas, not in the UK anyway) but I think Ang Lee might have a bit more trouble with convincing theater owners to indulge this latest format.

Think it's more future proofing than anything.

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Not sure what 35mm has to do with it. One format may be dying and the other (120fps) is only just starting out, but the point remains: getting 120fps out of anything other than a bespoke theater install is going to be troublesome. Even Barco's baddest bad boy of a cinema projector will only give you 60fps. They have 120fps listed for 3D, i.e. 60fps per eye, so clearly they've got enough processing throughput to handle it but would need a firmware upgrade to do 120fps 2D. Peter Jackson had enough clout to get the 48fps upgrades out there (although not in a huge amount of cinemas, not in the UK anyway) but I think Ang Lee might have a bit more trouble with convincing theater owners to indulge this latest format.

what is the refresh rate on professional digital cinema projectors? I guess I incorrectly assumed they would be 120hz or better.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by tob

Cup final again.

This is my happy dance ……no matter how it turns out this weekend with Chelsea and Arsene’s nemesis in the EPL match….

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Improved? Check my post history, I said "None of my favourite films were shot with HDR in mind" and that has not changed.

Improved in the sense of your comments for instance further up on this page -
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post10510334 .....which is why I was trying to understand your personal experience that led to how you came to your negative conclusions about HDR and I asked (on the same page) for more specifics.