4K Movies Releases

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist

I am almost willing to spend about 30 minutes so that I can quote myself with two posts from a few years ago. But Penton has already patented this practice

Pro-B

Posts you love….from people you trust

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

if everyone doesn't understand the postings or appreciate them at the time,

Date: 3-24-2013, tag word: marked

Fast forward months….years later and HDR analysis abounds from reporters all over the internet, for example - http://www.redsharknews.com/business...ts-spectacular...with typical introductory lines like this….“We’ve talked before about High Dynamic Range imaging and how we think it might turn the industry on its head.”

So here we are now in April 2015 and it seems every video news blogger these days has “talked before about High Dynamic Range”, but I’d venture few if any in 2013 had posted much about HDR at anything other than a superficially scientific level, and of those who did, remained clueless as to the actual technological methods and materials upon which, for one, the Dolby proposal’s been based - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...34#post8498218 much less cognizant as to the trials and tribulations in getting there.

Given it seems that everyone in the video blogging universe has now *talked before about HDR* and is eagerly looking forward to HDR coming into their living rooms as part of the UHD recipe, rather than only viewing demo material at trade shows, I look forward to bloggers now enlightening us with their wisdom as how best to implement it with motion pictures.

For starters, they’re all welcome to teach us and validate some of these original thoughts from last December
, or, if they’re more into post production workflows, as I think the bandwidth of DPX files may prove wanting, they can always expound upon a better workflow than using DPX files as proposed in Jan. of this year…

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

...for the HDR master such as ACES

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

For starters, they’re all welcome to teach us and validate some of these original thoughts from last December
, or, if they’re more into post production workflows, as I think the bandwidth of DPX files may prove wanting, they can always expound upon a better workflow than using DPX files as proposed in Jan. of this year…

But wait…..the Chair of the American Society of Cinematographers Technology Committee already beat the rest (other than the forum of Blu-ray.com ) blogging universe to it, just this past week…

“Clark noted that an “extraordinarily important” on-set tool was Canon’s 24-inch 400 nits reference display, scheduled to be available in November. “It was able to get a Raw image from the camera and monitor in a Rec2020 color space," he said. "It’s more than a convenience, it's a confidence builder.”….

”Additionally, the production incorporated use of AMPAS’ Academy Color Encoding System (ACES), a color management and image interchange system that the Academy was demonstrating at NAB” - http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/beh...00-mark-789622

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

We need a football thread

I’m off today after driving back from the otter and so far, so good . Arsenal’s in the FA Cup Final.

Now to hope Villa beats Liverpool.

P.S.
Peter don't spoil the ManU v. Chelsea match for me as I'll save that one for last.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Peter don't spoil the ManU v. Chelsea match for me as I'll save that one for last.

Sorry, they were all dead and in purgatory the entire time.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Sorry, they were all dead and in purgatory the entire time.

I know you jest. Don’t be shy with the reading public. I’ll bet you were one of the first to get your preorder in for Steven Gerrard’s jersey for the LA Galaxy….http://www.lagalaxy.com/news/2015/02...rsey-la-galaxy

at over $100. a pop.
Hell, you may even be a season ticket holder.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

hdr

mike, don’t read this - http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/beh...-tracks-790025

[Richard Paul]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

http://www.technicolor.com/en/who-we...o-capabilities

While Technicolor has released some information about their color gamut metadata I haven't been able to find anything about their HDR metadata. It looks like the Technicolor HDR metadata is either very recent or it is a proprietary system (like Dolby Vision).

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

But wait…..the Chair of the American Society of Cinematographers Technology Committee already beat the rest (other than the forum of Blu-ray.com ) blogging universe to it, just this past week…

“Clark noted that an “extraordinarily important” on-set tool was Canon’s 24-inch 400 nits reference display, scheduled to be available in November. “It was able to get a Raw image from the camera and monitor in a Rec2020 color space," he said. "It’s more than a convenience, it's a confidence builder.”….

”Additionally, the production incorporated use of AMPAS’ Academy Color Encoding System (ACES), a color management and image interchange system that the Academy was demonstrating at NAB” - http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/beh...00-mark-789622

It is good to hear that ACES is making it into production equipment.

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

mike, don’t read this - http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/beh...-tracks-790025

Film has a good dynamic range so I wouldn't mind HDR being used to help with the low end of the dynamic range but I am skeptical of studios cranking up the brightness since catalog movies weren't made for that.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

mike, don’t read this - http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/beh...-tracks-790025

Every new film...

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

While Technicolor has released some information about their color gamut metadata I haven't been able to find anything about their HDR metadata. It looks like the Technicolor HDR metadata is either very recent or it is a proprietary system (like Dolby Vision).

Informational access is available to members of the SMPTE HDR working group; otherwise, you might get lucky if you asked…. http://www.technicolor.com/en/edouard-francois for some tidbits on it.

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

Film has a good dynamic range so I wouldn't mind HDR being used to help with the low end of the dynamic range but I am skeptical of studios cranking up the brightness since catalog movies weren't made for that.

Even with digital acquisition, it’s not going to be as *easy* as some think to produce a good HDR version. As, there can be soooo much information in the RAW images that with the post, you don’t want the things that the filmmaker considers trivial. to become distracting.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Every new film...

I consider that ^ an improved change in philosophy, for given your past postings, I understood you as being anti-HDR for new, as well as, old films and at most, neutral/unmoved to what’s been said exclusively on Blu-ray.com about its value to broadcast sports since recently before NAB 2015 and even as far back as 2013

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Sorry, they were all dead and in purgatory the entire time.

You have just described my team.

[Geoff D]

Sorry steed, I shouldn't laugh but that was funny.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Sorry steed, I shouldn't laugh but that was funny.

It's ok for you with you safe number of points!

[Penton-Man]

In the post NAB articles, I’ve noticed some ‘4K’ bashing or at least subtle condescension by some of the *pundits* in regards to its ‘value’ (increased spatial resolution only) as compared to that of increased dynamic range, whether you call it HDR or EDR. Firstly, this is not ‘news’, as it has been stated in this thread and at professional conferences/retreats for years, HDR is distance-independent. Secondly, I’ll remind those folks that until UHD (4K) tvs arrived on the market, there was little interest in 10bit, P3 or BT. 2020 colorspace, or HDR by consumer manufacturers.

So, 4K has served as a foundation for these other UHD parameters coming to fruition, e.g. from over a year ago -

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I am a 4K advocate and secondly, I understand that consumer electronics companies live for/depend upon year-to-year sales to make everything work on their end and honestly, no fault to marketing folk……for engineers, 4K has been the far easier to build and bring to market than the other enhancements (WCG, HDR, HFR) which I’ve elaborated upon in past pages.

The BIG plan has always been to sell 4K and then augment it with enhancements as they became available.

So my point is, a tip of the hat goes out to early UHD adopters (owners) for their help/support in blazing the trail for the rest of the herd (those non-owners out there). Same principle applies to early Blu-ray player (PS3, etc.) adopters...for in the long term, it makes economic life easier for all the rest of us.

[Penton-Man]

I gave an early heads-up to readers last March in the HEVC thread, a couple weeks prior to NAB2015 as to a presentation that would be worth attending, namely –

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Implications of High Dynamic Range on the Broadcast Chain for HD and Ultra-HD Content
Sun. April 12| 11:00 AM - 11:30 AM

High dynamic range (HDR) video could offer consumers a much improved viewing experience compared to current broadcast video. The dynamic range of current television images, referred to as standard dynamic range (SDR), is governed by……

Follow-up news, NAB 2015 Best Paper Award…..http://www.nab.org/events/awards/cur...rs.asp?id=2280

And believe me, there were a boatload of presentations...
http://www.nabshow.com/sites/default...sentations.pdf

The long version …http://www.ericsson.com/news/150416-...eo_244069646_c

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

So my point is, a tip of the hat goes out to early UHD adopters (owners) for their help/support in blazing the trail for the rest of the herd (those non-owners out there). Same principle applies to early Blu-ray player (PS3, etc.) adopters...for in the long term, it makes economic life easier for all the rest of us.

Unfortunately, being an early adopter will mean I'll probably be restricted to 8-bit SDR gamut-mapped .709 output from UHD BD while everyone else can swan in, buy a 10-bit HDR P3 4K TV and enjoy all that UHD content at its best off of my back, but that's okay. Just think of me while you're enjoying it, folks. Remember my noble sacrifice, and that of my fellow early adopter brothers!

In all seriousness, I just didn't see HDR coming, and although the expanded dynamic range of Sony's 2014 sets was a big tip of the hat it came too late for me, for by then the deed was done. If I had known, I would've thought twice about buying the 4K set when I did. I knew I wouldn't get the full gamut & bit depth (not least with 4K60 content, restricted as it is by the 10.2Gb/s HDMI chipsets) and I could live with that, but with HDR on top that's a triple-threat of PQ improvements that I'm gonna be missing out on. Boo-urns.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

In all seriousness, I just didn't see HDR coming, and although the expanded dynamic range of Sony's 2014 sets was a big tip of the hat it came too late for me, for by then the deed was done. If I had known, I would've thought twice about buying the 4K set when I did. I knew I wouldn't get the full gamut & bit depth (not least with 4K60 content, restricted as it is by the 10.2Gb/s HDMI chipsets) and I could live with that, but with HDR on top that's a triple-threat of PQ improvements that I'm gonna be missing out on. Boo-urns.

L

I haven't seen HDR, but I have read the accounts of several who attended CES that viewed the demos ( Life of Pi, Exodus, etc.; but I think that 95% of the people that purchase HDR capable sets, when first viewing HDR content, will be looking for the HDR OFF switch as soon as the first 1000 nit highlight appears.

A level headed look at HDR by John Archer:

http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinio...sion-explained

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Unfortunately, being an early adopter will mean I'll probably be restricted to 8-bit SDR gamut-mapped .709 output from UHD BD while everyone else can swan in, buy a 10-bit HDR P3 4K TV and enjoy all that UHD content at its best off of my back, but that's okay. Just think of me while you're enjoying it, folks. Remember my noble sacrifice, and that of my fellow early adopter brothers!

Geoff if I wasn't as strapped for cash as I am I would have a 4K TV by now, I'm currently job seeking so only have what I managed to save, as such until I have a job I'm stuck with the Kuro.

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Unfortunately, being an early adopter will mean I'll probably be restricted to 8-bit SDR gamut-mapped .709 output from UHD BD while everyone else can swan in, buy a 10-bit HDR P3 4K TV and enjoy all that UHD content at its best off of my back, but that's okay. Just think of me while you're enjoying it, folks. Remember my noble sacrifice, and that of my fellow early adopter brothers!

Boo-urns.

Thank you for taking those early inferior color space, bit depth, and SDR graded bullets for me, dear sir. I will think of you whenever I enjoy my 10-bit HDR 2020 goodness.

I must also tip my hat to anyone who says "Boo-urns."

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by singhcr

Thank you for taking those early inferior color space, bit depth, and SDR graded bullets for me, dear sir. I will think of you whenever I enjoy my 10-bit HDR 2020 goodness.

I must also tip my hat to anyone who says "Boo-urns."

considering it'll probably be another 2-4 years before we see sets with full specs at semi-reasonable consumer prices, I'm not sweating my decision to purchase a 2014 set at all.