The Abyss 4K UHD (1989) - Page 9 - Blu-ray Forum

Pocketkid2 · 10-03-2023, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by matbezlima

How will you guys react if this release has at least as much DNR as Terminator 2, and if James Cameron has also used motion interpolation to get some scenes to be 60FPS?

Don't worry guys, I don’t think that will happen. It will be a good UHD

1) If the DNR on The Abyss was as bad as T2, we would have heard about it by now from all the folks who saw the new DCP last Wednesday

2) We're not getting HFR on this film. Cameron has stated it is intended to improve the effect of 3D films. (which is why it was not only used on Avatar 2, but also back-ported to Titanic 3D and Avatar 3D re-release via processing)

mar3o · 10-04-2023, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ghostof82

Back when he made Aliens, The Abyss, T2, James Cameron was someone worth talking about by everyone, but like George Lucas he seems a director who got lost in a cul-de-sac of technology. Wish he'd go back to making movies rather than effects reels.

I had quite a fun time with Avatar 2 in 3D and HFR. It's easy to criticize. He makes entertaining films.

matbezlima · 10-04-2023, 02:17 AM

The underwater scenes in Avatar 2 are the only instances of HFR that I actually liked in movies.

jerclay · 10-04-2023, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by FForFake

I have been a Jim Cameron superfan for most of my life. I think the guy is a legit, true, non-metaphorical genius. I was 100% ride or die up until Avatar, which I just hated...so...much. And I can only imagine that the violence of my reaction was largely due to the size of my disappointment; I loved all of his other movies, From Terminator to Titanic, so very much, that I wanted to love Avatar. And I didn't. I really, really didnt.

You're not alone here. Avatar is where Cameron stopped for me as well.

UndyAHundy · 10-04-2023, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Pocketkid2

1) If the DNR on The Abyss was as bad as T2, we would have heard about it by now from all the folks who saw the new DCP last Wednesday

2) We're not getting HFR on this film. Cameron has stated it is intended to improve the effect of 3D films. (which is why it was not only used on Avatar 2, but also back-ported to Titanic 3D and Avatar 3D re-release via processing)

I've started to see reports on Twitter that the Abyss is, indeed, DNR'd pretty badly (but not T2-levels).

Agent Kay · 10-04-2023, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by UndyAHundy

I've started to see reports on Twitter that the Abyss is, indeed, DNR'd pretty badly (but not T2-levels).

Socko · 10-04-2023, 03:34 PM

Some sources say it was a 2k presentation of the 4k restored version.

https://www.reddit.com/r/4kbluray/co...erything_that/

Unfold the replies to Z3ppelinDude93's post to read about it.

My first thought would be... why? You have JC in the room, why would project it in 2k.
At least some people say it's not as bad as T2.

We'll see in a couple of months... in March

Member-222782 · 10-04-2023, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Pocketkid2

1) If the DNR on The Abyss was as bad as T2, we would have heard about it by now from all the folks who saw the new DCP last Wednesday

The feedback from that screening wasn't all rosy. At least two forum members who were in attendance reported back that they saw no grain

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Originally Posted by jerclay

You're not alone here. Avatar is where Cameron stopped for me as well.

I wanted to love Avatar. It was OK but not what I wanted to see. I was hoping for an R-Rated sci-fi flick along the lines of Aliens. I'd been reading about the film for years in magazines like Fangoria and Total Film and I guess I got the wrong impression of what Cameron was going for. It's a beautiful-looking film for sure but I didn't walk away from it satisfied. The sequel was more of the same. I consider it a remake, actually.

Pocketkid2 · 10-04-2023, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cinema84

The feedback from that screening wasn't all rosy. At least two forum members who were in attendance reported back that they saw no grain

The problem isn't grain vs no grain, it's about textural detail vs no textural detail. There are plenty examples of films where grain has been cleaned by DNR but there is enough detail left in the image where it still looks just fine. I don't intend on complaining until I see actual screenshots and decide the picture is a lost cause like T2.

Bolty · 10-04-2023, 05:07 PM

Is anybody really going to say, "They've scrubbed too much grain -- I'll stick with my non-anamorphic DVD!" --????

Member-222782 · 10-04-2023, 05:09 PM

^ Degraining a film for any reason, let alone for the purposes of catering to a market that demands clean images, is never a good thing. Just had to get that out there.

mar3o · 10-04-2023, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bolty

Is anybody really going to say, "They've scrubbed too much grain -- I'll stick with my non-anamorphic DVD!" --????

If it's T2-levels of DNR, it's going to be rightfully placed upon the worst of the UHDs. But it would still likely be an improvement over a non-anamorpic DVD. Of course color timing will also play into this. I hate Aliens' blu-ray color timing.

matbezlima · 10-04-2023, 11:27 PM

I can only imagine the anger towards James Cameron if this release is DNR from hell. Cameron made clear he supervised it, didn't he?

Trekkie313 · 10-04-2023, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bolty

We have a member here who saw the showing. He said it was scrubbed. Not as bad as T2 but still lacking grain. For this title, I personally don't care, but for those who do -- dampen those hopes. It's not going to be what most folks around here want.

With new info that it was merely 1080p projection on whatever equipment, the posterization issues may have been from that.

ghostof82 · 10-06-2023, 01:24 PM

The issue regards The Abyss when we finally get it, is that it's the last edition we'll ever see on physical formats so it's important that it was worth the wait and does justice to how it looked theatrically. It simply won't ever get revisited - this is it. This'll be The Abyss to the end of our days.

Hopefully we won't be in a 1977 Star Wars situation.

Melton · 10-07-2023, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by matbezlima

I can only imagine the anger towards James Cameron if this release is DNR from hell. Cameron made clear he supervised it, didn't he?

The streaming version of the theatrical looks great, surely this Cameron-supervised restoration can’t be a downgrade?

MifuneFan · 10-09-2023, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MifuneFan

One more Abyss thread and I get to redeem a free True Lies.

It worked!

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=366710

drb999 · 10-09-2023, 08:36 PM

I’m not a huge fan of the movie but I’d love to add this to my collection.

Member-222782 · 10-09-2023, 10:30 PM

This was moved into the wishlist section? Bummer

SpacemanDoug · 11-13-2023, 03:52 PM

https://twitter.com/JimCameron/statu...779362038?s=20

Confirmed by James Cameron himself, it looks like a 4K remaster of the special edition is getting a theatrical re-release on December 6

I suspect a 4K release of hopefully (and likely) both cuts will occur soon after

10-04-2023, 02:17 AM	#163
matbezlima Banned Member since:Jul 2021	The underwater scenes in Avatar 2 are the only instances of HFR that I actually liked in movies.

10-04-2023, 03:34 PM	#167
Socko Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Jun 2009 Location:Netherlands Home Theater Gallery:4 4K collection:314 Blu-ray collection:1016 DVD collection:46 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:10	Some sources say it was a 2k presentation of the 4k restored version. https://www.reddit.com/r/4kbluray/co...erything_that/ Unfold the replies to Z3ppelinDude93's post to read about it. My first thought would be... why? You have JC in the room, why would project it in 2k. At least some people say it's not as bad as T2. We'll see in a couple of months... in March

10-04-2023, 05:07 PM	#170
Bolty Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jan 2009 Location:Lake Worth Be...ah, no, Fl 4K collection:76 Blu-ray collection:100 Digital collection:93 Trading Score:82	Is anybody really going to say, "They've scrubbed too much grain -- I'll stick with my non-anamorphic DVD!" --????

10-04-2023, 05:09 PM	#171
Member-222782 Blu-ray Archduke Member since:Jun 2012 4K collection:645 Blu-ray collection:4556 DVD collection:474 Trading Score:140	^ Degraining a film for any reason, let alone for the purposes of catering to a market that demands clean images, is never a good thing. Just had to get that out there.

10-04-2023, 11:27 PM	#173
matbezlima Banned Member since:Jul 2021	I can only imagine the anger towards James Cameron if this release is DNR from hell. Cameron made clear he supervised it, didn't he?

10-06-2023, 01:24 PM	#175
ghostof82 Senior Member Member since:Aug 2011 4K collection:34 Blu-ray collection:93	The issue regards The Abyss when we finally get it, is that it's the last edition we'll ever see on physical formats so it's important that it was worth the wait and does justice to how it looked theatrically. It simply won't ever get revisited - this is it. This'll be The Abyss to the end of our days. Hopefully we won't be in a 1977 Star Wars situation.

10-09-2023, 08:36 PM	#178
drb999 Blu-ray King Member since:Jul 2013 Location:Outer Space 4K collection:8 Blu-ray collection:709 DVD collection:57 MA collection:6 Digital collection:76 iTunes collection:1 Prime collection:1	I’m not a huge fan of the movie but I’d love to add this to my collection.

10-09-2023, 10:30 PM	#179
Member-222782 Blu-ray Archduke Member since:Jun 2012 4K collection:645 Blu-ray collection:4556 DVD collection:474 Trading Score:140	This was moved into the wishlist section? Bummer

11-13-2023, 03:52 PM	#180
SpacemanDoug Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Mar 2018 Location:Washington State Trading Score:1	https://twitter.com/JimCameron/statu...779362038?s=20 Confirmed by James Cameron himself, it looks like a 4K remaster of the special edition is getting a theatrical re-release on December 6 I suspect a 4K release of hopefully (and likely) both cuts will occur soon after

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