Samsung 4K UHD Blu-ray Player UBD-K8500

[waff]

Originally Posted by eddievanhalen

I have a 40'' Philips 4K T.V. set that has no HDR but it does have a 10 bit panel display. On the picture settings I have HDMI color set to Auto and Deep Color off. What will happen if I keep HDMI color to auto and change Deep Color to Auto instead of off? Will the Samsung player output a 10 bit video signal and improve color?

I'll likely be dismissed as knowing nothing by some members, but that is my current setup and love it. I've tried it both ways, and deep color on with a 10 bit panel is great in my opinion.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by eddievanhalen

I have a 40'' Philips 4K T.V. set that has no HDR but it does have a 10 bit panel display. On the picture settings I have HDMI color set to Auto and Deep Color off. What will happen if I keep HDMI color to auto and change Deep Color to Auto instead of off? Will the Samsung player output a 10 bit video signal and improve color?

Deep Color on the Samsung must be left off. It does a wonky 12 bit conversion of the 10 bit signal that can introduce negative video anomalies into the chain... like increased banding.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

The info screen for Netflix has been taken off.

Join the party

[eddievanhalen]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

Deep Color on the Samsung must be left off. It does a wonky 12 bit conversion of the 10 bit signal that can introduce negative video anomalies into the chain... like increased banding.

Why 12 bits? It's a bit silly Samsung outputing 12 bit instead of 10, I don't think there are consumer 12 bit panels or projectors.
The Deep Color menu says "Auto" so the HDMI handshake between the Samsung player and T.V. set should tell Samsung player what bit depth video signal should output. I'll do some testing this evening.

[imhh1]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

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I noticed this too, why would they do this ? it was useful .

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by imhh1

I noticed this too, why would they do this ? it was useful .

That is how I found out that House of Cards season 1 is not in 4K UHD. It was a very useful tool.

[rroeder]

What kind of internet speed do you need to stream 4k?

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by rroeder

What kind of internet speed do you need to stream 4k?

For 4K YouTube at least 25mb or above

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by eddievanhalen

Why 12 bits? It's a bit silly Samsung outputing 12 bit instead of 10, I don't think there are consumer 12 bit panels or projectors.
The Deep Color menu says "Auto" so the HDMI handshake between the Samsung player and T.V. set should tell Samsung player what bit depth video signal should output. I'll do some testing this evening.

It's already been bench tested by Stacy Spears, a video pro. Leave D.C. off. It keeps the signal at the proper, native 10 bit pixel depth.

Standard video mode at all 0's is also one of the best settings for this particular player. This is only accessible during disc playback.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

For 4K YouTube at least 25mb or above

And even 150 Mbps isn't always enough due to traffic bottlenecks and high peak times.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

And even 150 Mbps isn't always enough due to traffic bottlenecks and high peak times.

Very true, sometimes occasionally 4K YouTube drops to Quad HD and then ramps back up to 4K UHD

[eddievanhalen]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

It's already been bench tested by Stacy Spears, a video pro. Leave D.C. off. It keeps the signal at the proper, native 10 bit pixel depth.

Standard video mode at all 0's is also one of the best settings for this particular player. This is only accessible during disc playback.

As I said my 4K Philips T.V. set has a 10 bit panel but not HDR. Even not been HDR the Samsung is feeding 10 bit video to my T.V.?
I tested the player with Deep Color set to Auto and I see no banding, one way to spot banding is the 20th Century Fox opening/fanfare, the sky shows banding if either the player or T.V. are badly set up. Also the sunset on The Martian show severe banding if badly set up. Nothing of this happens when the Samsung player Deep Color set to Auto on my Philips 4K set with a 10 bit display.

[keremix]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

In the Samsung setup menu for sound, go to HDMI audio out and set it to Bitstream (Unprocessed). That way the raw audio tracks off the disc or streaming app get sent to your receiver. Turn off PCM Downconversion and Dynamic Range Control as well. You want the player to leave the audio data untouched.

A couple more questions

I could not find BD-Wise setting for my Samsung TV. Are you sure all newish Samsung TVs have it? (my tv is 65" JU7000 )

Also and as far as I know, both my TV and receiver are hdcp 2.2 compliant. Are your suggestions applicable in my case as well? (I have read somewhere in this thread the recommended settings differ depending on what is hdcp 2.2 compliant)

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by eddievanhalen

As I said my 4K Philips T.V. set has a 10 bit panel but not HDR. Even not been HDR the Samsung is feeding 10 bit video to my T.V.?
I tested the player with Deep Color set to Auto and I see no banding, one way to spot banding is the 20th Century Fox opening/fanfare, the sky shows banding if either the player or T.V. are badly set up. Also the sunset on The Martian show severe banding if badly set up. Nothing of this happens when the Samsung player Deep Color set to Auto on my Philips 4K set with a 10 bit display.

That's good, but still leave it off anyway. I believe when HDR is being stripped away on the Samsung, you're getting a truncated 8 bit signal. HDR to SDR conversion is still not an elegant process.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by keremix

A couple more questions

I could not find BD-Wise setting for my Samsung TV. Are you sure all newish Samsung TVs have it? (my tv is 65" JU7000 )

Also and as far as I know, both my TV and receiver are hdcp 2.2 compliant. Are your suggestions applicable in my case as well? (I have read somewhere in this thread the recommended settings differ depending on what is hdcp 2.2 compliant)

Yours may be a model that got rid of BD-Wise. However, it's best to turn it off in case something is still happening between Samsung devices behind the scenes anyway. You don't want things to go into auto pilot when you least expect it.

What receiver model do you have, again?

[pg_ice]

Is it confirmed that you get 10bit video even if you are playing UHD discs with this player a 1080P display?
i know colors will be downgraded to rec709 and downscaled but will the 10bit video remain?

why i ask is because 10bit video on an display that has 10bit panel (even if its not HDR) really gets a benefit from it with a sharper picture with better/more colors compared to todays 8bit movies.

[keremix]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

Yours may be a model that got rid of BD-Wise. However, it's best to turn it off in case something is still happening between Samsung devices behind the scenes anyway. You don't want things to go into auto pilot when you least expect it.

What receiver model do you have, again?

Sorry for being not more specific. My receiver is Yamaha RX-V681, that makes both both my receiver and TV 2.2 compliant. In this case, would all your suggestions (in the previous posts) be applicable?

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by keremix

Sorry for being not more specific. My receiver is Yamaha RX-V681, that makes both both my receiver and TV 2.2 compliant. In this case, would all your suggestions (in the previous posts) be applicable?

Yes. Just be sure you plug the HDMI cable into one of the HDCP 2.2 compliant HDMI ports on the Yamaha. Only three out of the six meet the full specs.

Turn off all video processing and GUI modes in the receiver to keep the video signal in its purest form. You should still get the info screen, just not overlaid on the video signal.

[keremix]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

Yes. Just be sure you plug the HDMI cable into one of the HDCP 2.2 compliant HDMI ports on the Yamaha. Only three out of the six meet the full specs.

Turn off all video processing and GUI modes in the receiver to keep the video signal in its purest form. You should still get the info screen, just not overlaid on the video signal.

thanks again

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

So I was reading about "Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk" coming out on UHD BD in 60 fps. I know that in order to get 10 bit 4K @ 24 fps on this player you need to select YCbCr 4:4:4 and Deep Color to Off. Just curious, would that setting output 10 bit 4K @ 60 fps as well?

A lot of streaming content is in 4K@60, like 4K YouTube