Prometheus Review Thread (Spoilers)

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by TheWildWhelk

These are my specific concerns about the story as well, i don't want Scott fudging the Continuity of Alien just to be able to crowbar is Prometheus story into the Alien universe. I had had enough of the gaping plotholes in Terminator Salvation, potentially having the same in this film isn't good enough.

Well, remember that we've been through this before in this franchise. Cameron's story ignored the crash site for 57 years, and LV-426 in his movie was a blue planet rather than the moon of a yellowish ringed gas giant.

But yeah, I hope they're not trying to place a circle peg into a square hole.

[TheWildWhelk]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

Well, remember that we've been through this before in this franchise. Cameron's story ignored the crash site for 57 years, and LV-426 in his movie was a blue planet rather than the moon of a yellowish ringed gas giant.

But yeah, I hope they're not trying to place a circle peg into a square hole.

Provided that the film is rated R in the US, when i see it in a cinema then i'm actually going to go expecting these Incongruities, with me wanting to be pleasantly surprised to see none of them surface. It doesn't take much work to polish the script so that such inconsistancies don't happen. Anyone who is a solidly competent television writer could do a competent job of that. Mr Lindelof!

[KarmaNL]

I hope the link to Alien will be Shaw sending out a warning at the end of the movie which turns into the warning they receive in Alien. And thats it.

[Nommag]

He has hinted at a sequel to Prometheus doesn't that mean that there could in fact very well be a second SJ ship and second planet. Maybe the sequel will have giger's aliens in them which would explain the burst chest of the SJ.

[TheWildWhelk]

Originally Posted by Nommag

He has hinted at a sequel to Prometheus doesn't that mean that there could in fact very well be a second SJ ship and second planet. Maybe the sequel will have giger's aliens in them which would explain the burst chest of the SJ.

Both Scott and Lindelof have stated that a sequel to Prometheus would divert even further from Alien than Prometheus. Basically the idea that Scott will ever make a film again featuring the xenomorph is zero plus nil. Ain't happening.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by TheWildWhelk

Both Scott and Lindelof have stated that a sequel to Prometheus would divert even further from Alien than Prometheus. Basically the idea that Scott will ever make a film again featuring the xenomorph is zero plus nil. Ain't happening.

He has stated several times that this movie is only "related" to the Alien franchise. What he precisely means by that is still up for grabs. It could be literal, or it could be part of a misinformation campaign...

But it would also nullify this planet being LV-426, with the Prometheus out doing it's own thing 40 years before the Nostromo, and neither ship having any relation to the other beyond the fact that they find these ships.

[GORT]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

Okay, so how exactly does gravity differ throughout the universe? And since the periodic table has no gaps in it at all, what new atoms are out there that you are aware of?

The periodic table covers only known elements on EARTH not other planets we have no clue what might be out in the universe yet to be discoverd.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by GORT

The periodic table covers only known elements on EARTH not other planets we have no clue what might be out in the universe yet to be discoverd.

You will find a number of new elements on the Weyland Industries Investor Information page including Adamantine, Carmot, Eitr and Orichalcum.

https://www.weylandindustries.com/#/information

[Jennifer Lawrence Fan]

I saw the trailer for this in 3d when I saw Wraith of the titans and at the end alot of people didn't know what to make of it. With them thinking it was just another sci-fi/horror space movie.

I think they should atleast add into the trailer "From the director of Alien"

[GORT]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

You will find a number of new elements on the Weyland Industries Investor Information page including Adamantine, Carmot, Eitr and Orichalcum.

https://www.weylandindustries.com/#/information

those are on EARTH we have no clue what elements are on other planets yet to be discoverd. that was the point I was making in my original post.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by GORT

The periodic table covers only known elements on EARTH not other planets we have no clue what might be out in the universe yet to be discoverd.

Dude, there are no gaps in the table. NONE. There is absolutely nowhere to fit another element into the chart. It's not human design that makes it that way either, it's the makeup of our universe.

Sorry James Cameron fans, but there will never be an Ultonium.

[Grumpz]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

Dude, there are no gaps in the table. NONE. There is absolutely nowhere to fit another element into the chart. It's not human design that makes it that way either, it's the makeup of our universe.

Sorry James Cameron fans, but there will never be an Ultonium.

Wait a sec...I'm no scientist or geologist or rocktologist or elementologist, but are you claiming our planet Earth contains every single element in the Universe?

If so...wow.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by Grumpz

Wait a sec...I'm no scientist or geologist or rocktologist or elementologist, but are you claiming our planet Earth contains every single element in the Universe?

If so...wow.

I'm not claiming anything, I'm just simply stating the facts. The idea that there are new elements out there is a fallacy that has been pushed by science fiction for many many years, because it's a fun and imaginative way to tell stories.

Geeze, folks. Have none of you in here ever taken college chemistry? Heck, even high school chemistry covers this. The atomic numbers go from 1 to 118. 56 isn't missing for example, waiting to be discovered--we already know what it is. About 30 of the elements are man-made, but they are unstable and literally live for nanoseconds before dying. We see all of these atoms throughout the universe (the natural ones). They're everywhere.

I know the discovery of a new element is a very romantic notion, but it's not gonna happen. We may toy with nature and create more artificial elements, but nature has already showed us what the universe is made of.

Now the discovery of new molecules? ...that's something completely different. Unlimited possibilities await.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by GORT

those are on EARTH we have no clue what elements are on other planets yet to be discoverd. that was the point I was making in my original post.

No, they are not found on earth, naturally. I was confirming your statement. In the Prometheus Universe in 2073 the "elements" I mentioned in my previous post were discovered on other worlds and are considered part of earth's resources. i.e. they can be mined, refined and transported to earth. Remember, the Nostromo was towing a mining processor. In 2073 in the Prometheus universe there are 68 off-world colonies. So, the table of elements would be different in that fictional universe.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...ud2psNFE#gid=0

http://www.webelements.com/

[Wingman1977]

IMAX 3D Prometheus, here I come.

[Tony208]

The trailer does look amazing. It's gonna be great

[Brightstar]

Originally Posted by KarmaNL

I hope the link to Alien will be Shaw sending out a warning at the end of the movie which turns into the warning they receive in Alien. And thats it.

That whould be amazing but i cant see that happning

[Lemmy Lugosi]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

I'm not claiming anything, I'm just simply stating the facts. The idea that there are new elements out there is a fallacy that has been pushed by science fiction for many many years, because it's a fun and imaginative way to tell stories.

Geeze, folks. Have none of you in here ever taken college chemistry? Heck, even high school chemistry covers this. The atomic numbers go from 1 to 118. 56 isn't missing for example, waiting to be discovered--we already know what it is. About 30 of the elements are man-made, but they are unstable and literally live for nanoseconds before dying. We see all of these atoms throughout the universe (the natural ones). They're everywhere.

I know the discovery of a new element is a very romantic notion, but it's not gonna happen. We may toy with nature and create more artificial elements, but nature has already showed us what the universe is made of.

Now the discovery of new molecules? ...that's something completely different. Unlimited possibilities await.

Sounds like personal belief/speculation to me, rather than "the facts".

Looks even moreso when you add in that comment stating that "about 30 of the elements are man-made". Who's to say that, somewhere in this vast universe, a race has not evolved to the point of being able to stabilize their "home-made" elements? My friends, to say that it "CANNOT happen/HAS NOT happened" is a bold-ass statement to make, and typical of many (more conservative) scientists and researchers. But it is not a "universal truth".

Many humans, for some reason, seem to think we're the ultimate creature in the universe.

I doubt that highly.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by Lemmy Lugosi

Many humans, for some reason, seem to think we're the ultimate creature in the universe.

What does the number of neutrons and protons at the core of an atom have to do with anything you just said? And that last statement is not only way off base, but just plain mean spirited and shows no real understanding of what I am talking about at all.

But alas, this is all my fault (and I really mean that). Fighting people's beliefs and values with facts has been been a losing battle in my experience. Popular opinion and sentiment have always been much more powerful influences than the truth. In some ways, that's a good thing, because our stubbornness as a race has allowed us to go beyond with our imaginations and see things from different perspectives. But it's also a double edged sword--we sometimes lie to ourselves as a society to the point of making ourselves blind.

Oh well. To get back on topic, this was originally an idea I was proposing about the geology of LV-426. Rather than bringing up science in such a specific manner, I should have said: "Nature tends to repeat herself, and the terrain between these two films does not make sense if it's all on the same planet."

Game on...

[menaceuk]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

What does the number of neutrons and protons at the core of an atom have to do with anything you just said? And that last statement is not only way off base, but just plain mean spirited and shows no real understanding of what I am talking about at all.

But alas, this is all my fault (and I really mean that). Fighting people's beliefs and values with facts has been been a losing batting in my experience. Popular opinion and sentiment have always been much more powerful influences than the truth. In some ways, that's a good thing, because our stubbornness as a race has allowed us to go beyond with our imaginations and see things from different perspectives. But it's also a double edged sword--we sometimes lie to ourselves as a society to the point of making ourselves blind.

Wonder how many "Facts" Down the years have been proving wrong. Remember when it was considered fact that the Earth was Flat

Just like how the Periodic table has been extended several times as new discoveries were made

All I am getting at is that the Assumption that we know and/or discovered everything in any part of this universe is a little Naive.

Oh well. To get back on topic, this was originally an idea I was proposing about the geology of LV-426. Rather than bringing up science in such a specific manner, I should have said: "Nature tends to repeat herself, and the terrain between these two films does not make sense if it's all on the same planet."

Game on...

I think it is pretty safe to assume that the differences are simply Scott changing things to his own Preference. Putting too much science or thought behind the different terrain is rather pointless.