The Criterion Collection

[cgpublic]

Originally Posted by GaragePoet

i've had unopened Criterions for longer than some of these members have been collecting

This is gold. Rich gold.

[MifuneFan]

I visited the Brooklyn Museum yesterday, and they just opened a new Spike Lee exhibit there. I didn't get to see it this time, but I noticed they had lots of cool Spike Lee stuff in the museum shop, including the Criterion release of Do the Right Thing.

And of course, I went to touch the opened one on display, and promptly knocked it over, and it felt like it flipped and tumbled a dozen times on the way to the ground, with all of its contents slipping out. ..And then some older lady jokingly said "ooo I'm telling!"...which just made me more mortified, as I awkwardly laughed and put it back together again . What I wanted to say was "Hey, Do the Right Thing..". Anyway, the exhibit is there till next February, so I plan to check it out sometime in the future.

A few other things I snapped pics of

Da 5 Bloods Poster signed by Spike Lee. (Hey Criterion, how about licensing this one too?)

[Professor Echo]

Originally Posted by RodneyOz

Is this a bit? Roger Corman received an Honorary Academy Award in 2009 "for his rich engendering of films and filmmakers".

No, not a bit, just faulty memory and no pre-post research. Aka, a rant! Thanks for the info, Rodney!

But I do stand by my intention, which was to give a shout out to filmmakers like Corman who usually go unheralded while more acceptably pretentious ones are lauded in an effort to spotlight what the industry believes should be their most outstanding legacy, no matter how phony or hypocritical it is.

[Mushi Minion]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

I visited the Brooklyn Museum yesterday, and they just opened a new Spike Lee exhibit there. I didn't get to see it this time, but I noticed they had lots of cool Spike Lee stuff in the museum shop, including the Criterion release of Do the Right Thing.

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And of course, I went to touch the opened one on display, and promptly knocked it over, and it felt like it flipped and tumbled a dozen times on the way to the ground, with all of its contents slipping out. ..And then some older lady jokingly said "ooo I'm telling!"...which just made me more mortified, as I awkwardly laughed and put it back together again . What I wanted to say was "Hey, Do the Right Thing..". Anyway, the exhibit is there till next February, so I plan to check it out sometime in the future.

A few other things I snapped pics of

[Show spoiler]

Da 5 Bloods Poster signed by Spike Lee. (Hey Criterion, how about licensing this one too?)

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DiscFather is going to post about his trip to the Brooklyn Museum in three, two, one…

[RCRochester]

Originally Posted by RodneyOz

Is this a bit? Roger Corman received an Honorary Academy Award in 2009 "for his rich engendering of films and filmmakers".

I was recently watching a multi-part documentary on Roger where he basically sits there and talks about his movies. It's really great because he's such an engaging and honest speaker (though I sometimes have to doubt his assessment about many of his films having "really good scripts"). Anyway, for much of the shoot Roger is sitting at his desk and his Oscar is visible in the background among other career paraphernalia.

Later on though, the setting switches to Roger and his wife Julie sitting in their living room discussing things a bit more, and the Oscar is sitting there on their coffee table.

Roger is apparently really proud of that Oscar.

[Jaymole]

Originally Posted by Fredbrudos19

I got daddy long legs during the flash sale and it finally arrived today. So when I opened it and found there was no disc inside it kind of sucked lol.

On the bright side, no scratches

[BorisKarloffice]

Originally Posted by Shane Rollins

So we got:
Trainspotting 4K UHD: February or July
Lone Star 4K UHD: February or July
Blood Simple 4K UHD: I really need to think about this one.
The Apu Trilogy 4K UHD: July or November
Chantal Akerman Masterpieces, 1968–1978: Eventually, though it's a good set
Mudbound Blu-ray: Eventually, heard great things, but I've honestly never seen it

All in all, I'd say this is a great month.

And it's releases like Blood Simple that let me know exactly what would happen if a boutique managed to get a hold of one of Lucas' films, or Cameron, or Mann, or Friedkin. Great movies, they all need a great release, but good luck getting one. Not Criterion's/the other boutiques' faults.

If Terminator 2 got a redone UHD disc and it was from Criterion of all people it would be the most incredible comeback story of the format.

[lexx2.0]

is the next Criterion sale in November or December?

[Jobla]

Originally Posted by lexx2.0

is the next Criterion sale in November or December?

Usually, the Barnes and Noble Criterion sale is in July and November.

[Mushi Minion]

Originally Posted by lexx2.0

is the next Criterion sale in November or December?

Excluding the Barnes & Noble sales, the next Criterion flash sale will be in March.

[Shane Rollins]

Originally Posted by Fredbrudos19

I got daddy long legs during the flash sale and it finally arrived today. So when I opened it and found there was no disc inside it kind of sucked lol. Has this happened to anyone else ?

Originally Posted by ravenus

These things are done manually, I imagine, someone accidentally closed a case before they put the disc in. Just get in touch and let them know, they should ship you either the disc or a full replacement without fuss.

They'll replace it, so long as you send them a snapshot of your name and the date written onto the front / art side of the scratched disc in sharpie or marker.

Originally Posted by Jaymole

On the bright side, no scratches

They're saving that for the replacement.

[ravenus]

Originally Posted by BorisKarloffice

If Terminator 2 got a redone UHD disc and it was from Criterion of all people it would be the most incredible comeback story of the format.

The chances of that happening are roughly equivalent to that of a snowflake in in an inferno. Also, this is one of those completely unnecessary projects because Cameron calls all the shots for home video releases of his films even from the studio labels. In fact it is why some long-awaited movies of his have no HD releases despite significant fan interest...it's because by contract the studios need his explicit approval for the masters and other content before they can release anything and he can't spare the time from his current projects to look at supervise releases of older movies. Cameron has zero need for Criterion, and the studios would laugh at the idea of licensing away his movies to a boutique label. Paraphrasing what Aclea would often say, what a Criterion or another boutique label could put up in licensing fees would not be worth getting the studio lawyers up from bed in the morning.

Apart from his debit with Piranha II, which he disowned after release on account of creative interference from the cheapass company he made it for, AFAIK none of his movies since the DVD era when the major studios started putting out discs, have been licensed out.

[Shane Rollins]

Originally Posted by Professor Echo

No, not a bit, just faulty memory and no pre-post research. Aka, a rant! Thanks for the info, Rodney!

But I do stand by my intention, which was to give a shout out to filmmakers like Corman who usually go unheralded while more acceptably pretentious ones are lauded in an effort to spotlight what the industry believes should be their most outstanding legacy, no matter how phony or hypocritical it is.

While it seems fun among the pretentious types to mock Corman and his films, I think they would all shut up once they realized all the films, filmmakers, and actors we wouldn't have had Corman not given them their start:

The Corman Film School

A number of noted filmmakers (including directors, producers, writers, and cinematographers) have worked with Corman, usually early in their careers, including Francis Ford Coppola, Martin Scorsese, Ron Howard, Polly Platt, Peter Bogdanovich, Declan O'Brien, Armondo Linus Acosta, Paul Bartel, Jonathan Demme, Donald G. Jackson, Gale Anne Hurd, Carl Colpaert, Joe Dante, James Cameron, John Sayles, Monte Hellman, Carl Franklin, George Armitage, Jonathan Kaplan, George Hickenlooper, Curtis Hanson, Jack Hill, Robert Towne, Menahem Golan, James Horner, and Timur Bekmambetov. Many have said that Corman's influence taught them some of the ins and outs of filmmaking. In the extras for the DVD of The Terminator, director James Cameron asserts, "I trained at the Roger Corman Film School." The British director Nicolas Roeg served as the cinematographer on The Masque of the Red Death. Cameron, Coppola, Demme, Hanson, Howard and Scorsese have all gone on to win Academy Awards. Howard was reportedly told by Corman, "If you do a good job on this film, you'll never have to work for me again."

Actors who obtained their career breaks working for Corman include Jack Nicholson, Peter Fonda, Bruce Dern, Charles Bronson, Todd Field, Michael McDonald, Dennis Hopper, Tommy Lee Jones, Talia Shire, Sandra Bullock, Robert De Niro, and David Carradine, who received one of his first starring film roles in the Corman-produced Boxcar Bertha (1972) and went on to star in Death Race 2000 (along with Sylvester Stallone). Many of Corman's protegés have paid their mentor homage by awarding him cameos in films, such as in The Godfather Part II, The Silence of the Lambs, Apollo 13, and as recently as Demme's 2008 film Rachel Getting Married.

[Shane Rollins]

Originally Posted by BorisKarloffice

If Terminator 2 got a redone UHD disc and it was from Criterion of all people it would be the most incredible comeback story of the format.

The 4K format is stretching out now. It's almost ten years old. We are definitely going to start seeing 2 or 3 or 4 or even more UHDs of the same movie. (Not counting repackages, new slips on old discs, old discs in new Steels, etc) In the coming years (in 2026 or sometime before), T2 will get a new disc, possibly to coincide with a 4K release of T1 should it ever happen.

If it was a truly restored version of the film (it would need to be done without JC's involvement), that would be a miracle. A while back, some joker posted "the Arrow covers of T1 and T2" on some thread. I think it was for April Fools Day. Assuming a boutique got the films and JC just sat this one out, we'd have probably the best 4K releases of the year.

[Ishai]

Originally Posted by Shane Rollins

While it seems fun among the pretentious types to mock Corman and his films, I think they would all shut up once they realized all the films, filmmakers, and actors we wouldn't have had Corman not given them their start:

I knew a lot of directors got their first shot from Corman, I didn't realize how much he meant to Jack Nicholson until I watched Corman's World

[Ishai]

Originally Posted by ravenus

The chances of that happening are roughly equivalent to that of a snowflake in in an inferno.

I don't know why some people assume Criterion can just pick and choose any movie they want. T2 is one of Lionsgate's flagship title (it was their first real catalog 4K because of that). They'll keep releasing it every few years with new packaging, maybe if they think it will sell better they'll remaster it.

[Shane Rollins]

Originally Posted by bonehica

Originally posted by bonehica.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=324

[Shane Rollins]

Originally Posted by ravenus

The chances of that happening are roughly equivalent to that of a snowflake in in an inferno. Also, this is one of those completely unnecessary projects because Cameron calls all the shots for home video releases of his films even from the studio labels. In fact it is why some long-awaited movies of his have no HD releases despite significant fan interest...it's because by contract the studios need his explicit approval for the masters and other content before they can release anything and he can't spare the time from his current projects to look at supervise releases of older movies. Cameron has zero need for Criterion, and the studios would laugh at the idea of licensing away his movies to a boutique label. Paraphrasing what Aclea would often say, what a Criterion or another boutique label could put up in licensing fees would not be worth getting the studio lawyers up from bed in the morning.

Apart from his debit with Piranha II, which he disowned after release on account of creative interference from the cheapass company he made it for, AFAIK none of his movies since the DVD era when the major studios started putting out discs, have been licensed out.

Should JC just knock off his crap we could get restored versions of all his movies in no more than two years. Stop wanting to crank up the cyan, stop cranking up the DNR and EE, lay off the Smurf movies for a while, and just end this wait. If he seriously thinks this is the way to do it (theatrical versions on tape and laserdisc, Terminator movies done bad on Blu and worse on UHD, True Lies and The Abyss on DVD and pegged as coming soon for over a decade), then he needs his head examined.

I disagree that no boutique would pay up for these films. Considering the films' statures, proper releases of them would make a huge profit for the boutiques. Where it becomes an issue is they know they wouldn't be able to do the films right. JC is like an 800-pound gorilla, doing whatever he wants. They wouldn't be able to do the films right, the releases would bomb (I wouldn't buy some crappy DNR'd release of his movies even if a boutique did it), and then the money they paid to license the film would be a major loss.

If JC would just move out of the damn way, a boutique would easily pay for these films. Criterion, Arrow, Shout, Kino, and VS would all take a shot at these if they knew they had a chance. With him there wanting to turn the wax up to 11, no boutique will get involved with that. Criterion does not want to hear the questions, comments, insults, things that their mothers could do, things that their mothers did last night, threats, bribes, general criticism, or anything else about the Criterion 4K of T2. Jon Mulvaney lives for a lot of things, but he doesn't live for that. Neither does the bosses/employees of any other boutique. They'd rather just not get involved, and while it sucks, I can't honestly get on my hind legs about boutiques' refusal to do a JC movie. They rarely do a Mann or Friedkin movie, To Live And Die In L.A. nearly got blown up by that director wanting to reinvent the wheel, and Bug got outright cancelled.

The boutiques know this. None of them have worked with Lucas either, and that's not a coincidence. They wouldn't put up the cash for Cameron to come in there and f*ck off. They'd either have to fight him tooth and nail and get nothing for the fight, sit back and let him destroy another home video release (that fans would hate), or cancel the release because (like KL with To Live And Die In L.A.) they weren't going to be holding the bag on a release no one wanted and no one liked.

He could always just get his shit together, but this is too smart and too right of an answer.

[Shane Rollins]

Originally Posted by Ishai

I don't know why some people assume Criterion can just pick and choose any movie they want. T2 is one of Lionsgate's flagship title (it was their first real catalog 4K because of that). They'll keep releasing it every few years with new packaging, maybe if they think it will sell better they'll remaster it.

They are not doing shit. Lionsgate is not the cause of this mess. Lionsgate's role is pressing discs, putting them in cases, wrapping the cases, and selling the product.

As the director, who approves both the transfer and the physical release, and has that ridiculous contract that says it's his way or the highway, the buck stops with James Cameron. By now, he has heard the vitriol toward both the Terminator remasters and the unreasonably long absence of True Lies and The Abyss on Blu-ray. The fact that at no point in the previous 15 years he has said "You know what, I've seriously pissed my fans off, I'm going to give them what they want." says a lot about him.

He had two very convenient excuses to stop work on the Avatar movies, one being COVID, the other being the strike. He could've done the job himself. He could've easily gotten this done, and he chose not to. Now COVID's done, the writers are back on the job, and I predict the actors will be back by Thanksgiving, and then it will be time to spend another decade filming Avatar.

[Taylor3978]

Originally Posted by Shane Rollins

Uncle Roger also had a small role in Demme's Philadelphia.

Originally Posted by Shane Rollins

While it seems fun among the pretentious types to mock Corman and his films,

Who are these unnamed "pretentious types"? Anybody with any appreciation of the history of American film-making knows he laid the foundations for much of the American New Wave, probably the greatest period in American film-making, not to mention his own work e.g. with Vincent Price. Only a fool would be dismissive of Corman's contributions.