The Criterion Collection

[jlk5844]

Originally Posted by Polaroid

So all that dual format drama and now everyone wanting film from boxsets re-released as stand alone....

I just can get my head around it lol seems like un needed expenses on Criterions end

What next, Qatsi Trilogy, Zatoichi, By Breakage etc...

I get the reason they may do it due to demand and people wanting the single release over boxset... but as I said its added expenses which they could pour into another new project or even an upgrade people have been desperate for.

I know we didn't lose out on releases on announcement due to the single release but still, that is money that could have been used on another project....



If they are doing this, why not bring back Dual format, Blurays and DVD editions to please everyone. Why not do a Digipak and Amaray version of a release to please everyone.

It just doesn't work...

What's so hard to understand? Every other studio out there puts out a movie by itself and packaged in some double or triple feature BD set or box set. Criterion can't? And as said it didn't take away from the new releases since it's a reissue. Oh yeah it costs so much more just to print some paper and use the same cases....out of the hundreds of titles they already have in print? Why this is being questioned is beyond me, it's so trivial. Y'know, besides us Criterion fanboys, there's normal people who may only want Five Easy Pieces, and same with libraries and professors who want to show only this one film at universities in their film classes. And yes, they might do it with other box sets. Does it really matter? No. Don't make this about digipack vs. case, that has no relevance.

Sorry Polaroid, I don't mean to pick on you or single you out.

[silverlakephil]

Originally Posted by spargs

Yes, several of those! And to echo belcherman, The Killers is one of my ten most wanted R1 upgrades.

The UK release from Arrow is perfectly fine and if and when Criterion releases it, they'll have to convince me with some better extras or a commentary in order for me to double dip.

[Angel Eyes]

Originally Posted by jayembee

If they were able to reacquire the rights, don't you think they would've done so as soon as it was possible, so that they could've at least brought their DVD back into print?

They have lost rights and got them back before on films. Anyway someone is bound to release this in HD. I don't think anyone has have they? Are there any known Euro releases of this?

[jayembee]

Originally Posted by Angel Eyes

They have lost rights and got them back before on films.

True, but the point is that the DVD has been OOP for at least 10-12 years. If the rights became available in that time period, Criterion would've snagged them up and brought the DVD back into print. They haven't, so while it's not impossible that they might reacquire the rights in the future, it's low probability.

And if they do, they'll undoubtedly have to do some work on it to make it Blu-ready (assuming a restoration hasn't already been done), which means a release would be a ways off.

Anyway someone is bound to release this in HD. I don't think anyone has have they? Are there any known Euro releases of this?

Not that I can see. To check out what's in this site's database for worldwide releases, go to the search window at the top of the page. At the right end of the window, there's a drop down to select a country. "All countries" is at the top of the list. Select that. Then enter the title to search.

[Scarface32]

Originally Posted by Grethiwha

Criterion: Now that you've finally decided to listen to me, please upgrade your entire back-catalogue of Japanese films.

Too bad that box of a piece of crap. I have that BBS set, and the box is made out of thin cheap paper. I've only had it since December, and it's already falling apart.

[Polaroid]

Originally Posted by jlk5844

What's so hard to understand? Every other studio out there puts out a movie by itself and packaged in some double or triple feature BD set or box set. Criterion can't? And as said it didn't take away from the new releases since it's a reissue. Oh yeah it costs so much more just to print some paper and use the same cases....out of the hundreds of titles they already have in print? Why this is being questioned is beyond me, it's so trivial. Y'know, besides us Criterion fanboys, there's normal people who may only want Five Easy Pieces, and same with libraries and professors who want to show only this one film at universities in their film classes. And yes, they might do it with other box sets. Does it really matter? No. Don't make this about digipack vs. case, that has no relevance.

Sorry Polaroid, I don't mean to pick on you or single you out.

It's ok I'm provs not explaining very well. My issue is they have cut back on costs such as dual format and booklets to save money yet they are reprinting stuff that isn't desperately needed.

I'm not making this about digipak v amaray... I don't care how they do it, just seems weird doing a amaray box set and amaray seperate releases.

And it's a bit different when other companies do box sets with seperate releases as they are aiming at a larger/more varied target audience where croterion is more narrowed in that area.

As I said I'm not explaining myself very well... Also it bugs me when other companies do pointless re releases like Artifical Eyes "lars Von tried show and awe" or whatever it was lol or whatwverrrrr lol

[Angel Eyes]

Originally Posted by Scarface32

Too bad that box of a piece of crap. I have that BBS set, and the box is made out of thin cheap paper. I've only had it since December, and it's already falling apart.

It's too bad they dont make a clear scanavo (17mm) 7 disc clear case to house all the films. If there ever was a box that needed to be replaced its that one. Of course Im of the belief that they need to have all thier releases uniform in the Scanavo cases at least inside any other big box with swag.

[bwdowiak]

Originally Posted by Polaroid

I get the reason they may do it due to demand and people wanting the single release over boxset... but as I said its added expenses which they could pour into another new project or even an upgrade people have been desperate for.

a restored print already exists and is in their possession as rights holder... I'd imagine it cost them pennies a copy to release this title by itself. the only reason something like this doesn't happen sooner is because the business minds there had to forecast how much the America box set would suffer as a result of the single title release.

effort? none. expenses? extremely minimal.

[tallrichard]

Originally Posted by spargs

Yes, several of those! And to echo belcherman, The Killers is one of my ten most wanted R1 upgrades.

The Killers would be my choice too!

[AgentOrange]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Doubtful. The point was you wanted it to be added to a list of films from Criterion that people are waiting to be upgraded. I highly doubt many are waiting/expecting a movie that's been OOP for several years to be upgraded by Criterion

Being OOP probably makes it more wanted

I know there was a particular wave of Studio Canal titles they lost the rights too (including some that were already on blu ray). But haven't they since licensed other titles from Studio Canal?

I don't really see too much difference, unless something appears in a newsletter hint or a new restoration has been screened somewhere - its pretty much a guessing game anyway. I know Nights of Caberia is high on my "most wanted upgrade" list.

[jmclick]

Originally Posted by AgentOrange

The David Lean set and Rosselini/Bergman sets do the same for me - basically impossible for the individual releases to stay straight inside the box.

If I had OCD it would probably drive me nuts.

I had an extra David Lean set I sold on ebay brand new last year, and the guy accused me of "packaging it poorly" even though I sent it in a brand new shipping box. I'm pretty sure he thought I squished it or something because of the way the individual films were "bent" inside the box - but that's just the way it was brand new. Mine is also like that, as are those other sets mentioned.

"Are you telling me I have OCD?", I ask as make sure that I set my coffee cup down in the exact, precise center of the paper towel that I have folded into a perfect square. But seriously, that's exactly why I haven't bought any of those Criterion box sets, and particularly the David Lean set: I loathe the flimsy looking packaging. I can't be the only one, not since Criterion is selling replacement cases with inserts (at five bucks a pop) for so many titles that were issued in paper and digipack editions.

[pedromvu]

Originally Posted by Angel Eyes

They have lost rights and got them back before on films. Anyway someone is bound to release this in HD. I don't think anyone has have they? Are there any known Euro releases of this?

Did a quick search and seems there hasn't been any recent restorations, the last one appears to be from 1998 probably the one used for the Dvd but i am not sure if that is good enough for a blu-ray.

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by AgentOrange

Being OOP probably makes it more wanted

I know there was a particular wave of Studio Canal titles they lost the rights too (including some that were already on blu ray). But haven't they since licensed other titles from Studio Canal?

I don't really see too much difference, unless something appears in a newsletter hint or a new restoration has been screened somewhere - its pretty much a guessing game anyway. I know Nights of Caberia is high on my "most wanted upgrade" list.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love for it to get a BD release too (from anyone), as it is my favorite Fellini film, but I'd be shocked to see Criterion get it back. It's a very underrated Fellini in my opinion

[jmclick]

Originally Posted by ShellOilJunior

I'm going to go out on a limb and say a lot of people are waiting for at least 1 of these to be upgraded:

Andrei Rublev
Bicycle Thieves
The BRD Trilogy
Brute Force
Elevator to the Gallows
Hiroshima mon amour
Ikiru
Juliet of the Spirits
Kwaidan
La Strada
Le Samourai
Night and the City
Onibaba
The Lady Eve
The Passion of Joan of Arc
The Spirit of the Beehive
The Thief of Bagdad
Thieves Highway
The Virgin Spring
Viridiana

And Heaven Can Wait. And The Killers. And That Hamilton Woman. And The 49th Parallel. And the Carl Th. Dreyer box set (as individual releases, please).

[MifuneFan]

Floating Weeds would be my most wished for upgrade personally. I'll take every other Ozu too though

[pedromvu]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Don't get me wrong, I'd love for it to get a BD release too (from anyone), as it is my favorite Fellini film, but I'd be shocked to see Criterion get it back. It's a very underrated Fellini in my opinion

I wouldn't call it underrated, it's probably considered among the top 3 of Fellini isn't it?

the others being La Dolce Vita and 8 1/2

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by pedromvu

I wouldn't call it underrated, it's probably considered among the top 3 of Fellini isn't it?

the others being La Dolce Vita and 8 1/2

It doesn't get mentioned by people on here, and other film sites nearly as much as those, and even La Strada. Perhaps underrated isn't the right word, it just feels more under the radar compared to other Fellini films out there.

[AgentOrange]

Originally Posted by Polaroid

So all that dual format drama and now everyone wanting film from boxsets re-released as stand alone....

I just can get my head around it lol seems like un needed expenses on Criterions end

What next, Qatsi Trilogy, Zatoichi, By Breakage etc...

I get the reason they may do it due to demand and people wanting the single release over boxset... but as I said its added expenses which they could pour into another new project or even an upgrade people have been desperate for.

I know we didn't lose out on releases on announcement due to the single release but still, that is money that could have been used on another project....



If they are doing this, why not bring back Dual format, Blurays and DVD editions to please everyone. Why not do a Digipak and Amaray version of a release to please everyone.

It just doesn't work...

Not sure the dual formats were designed to "please" everyone. They were designed simply to reduce SKU's, and in the end it ticked off more people than it benefited. I'm guessing it possibly even resulted in lost overall sales for them, which is why they quickly reversed course. I've never had an issue with combo packs per se. But Criterion's were a bit silly in that they actually had to create special packaging and many of theirs were 1 BD + 2 DVD combos. 2 free coasters for every blu-ray, and a box that takes up far more space to accommodate them. Whipee!!! I think there's a reason that idea was short lived....

I don't get the leap here anyway, or how releasing a film from a box set individually can possibly be spun as anything but a GOOD thing. It's not like this actually takes the place of another film in the collection. It seems to basically just be an "extra" release for this month for those that just wanted this single release. This is a major picture that probably sells on it's own individually. This practice is nothing new, and from that very same set Easy Rider has already been released a couple of times by Sony. Certainly with some films it makes sense to also sell them individually. But not with your preposterous examples, I don't think we have to worry about those being "broken up".

Originally Posted by Polaroid

I don't want to come across as rude or out of place but OCD isn't just about order and neatness... >.< That word is thrown around WAY to much here. If it is an issue, just display the boxset with the spine outwards (so the inner sleeves are against bookshelf wall)...

It's a term that gets thrown around a bunch probably because it is a very fitting term on here. OCD can be applied to many things applicable on this site. Hoarding (collecting). People that have to line up everything perfectly on a shelf. People that worry about tiny bits of damage or dings on their boxes/cases. Oh, and those that nitpick posts on message-boards. There's that too.

[pedromvu]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

It doens't get mentioned by people on here, and other film sites nearly as much as those, and even La Strada.

Its probably because the sadness it causes knowing it is OOP

It is one my most wanted releases, i don't care if it is released by other studio.

I really didn't saw what was all the fuss with Fellini after my first of his La Strada, but was floored with the second Nights of Cabiria, that ending for me is the only one that can compare with the final scene of City Lights.

Now that i have seen a lot more by him i can appreciate more his other films and probably would get La Strada if it was upgraded (that is not OOP, seems crazy they haven't got it upgraded so it is probably a matter of not having a good enough source)

[spawningblue]

Any rumours of that getting the rights back to The Man Who Fell to Earth? I thought I read something a year or so ago.