The Criterion Collection

[Bates_Motel]

Originally Posted by Kolm14

Seems like Pierrot Le Fou and Ran have new restorations coming out. Don't know if this means anything, but could these releases possibly go back in print?

The Third Man has a restoration and it didn't go "back in print" through Criterion, anyway. And like RAN, it's a StudioCanal title.

[darkness2918]

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist

Poya,

Posting screencaptures and blowing them up to 200% or more to look for "issues" is a very silly game. I am not interested in playing it, but I can just as easily upload a number of screencaptures from Arrow releases (or other releases) with artifacts. In fact, if you started examining Arrow's releases strictly by bringing up these types of blow-ups, you would end up with a lot more "issues".

Pro-B

I agree & honestly while watching a movie I don't notice any of it, not that im looking for it specifically anyway. Im just watching the film to enjoy it.

[Poya]

Originally Posted by darkness2918

I agree & honestly while watching a movie I don't notice any of it, not that im looking for it specifically anyway. Im just watching the film to enjoy it.

I get what both of you are saying but it would be nice if Criterion could release their films with 2 discs: one for the film and the other for extras so that the film can use up all the space and look as good as it possibly can. The only thing that's stopping them is the cost of doing so.

[hoytereden]

Originally Posted by darkness2918

I agree & honestly while watching a movie I don't notice any of it, not that im looking for it specifically anyway. Im just watching the film to enjoy it.

Me too. I don't have a TV big enough to bring out the major shortcomings and I don't watch with the critical eye that I used to. Senior citizen vision takes care of that. Frankly, when I read the reviews on this site I avoid noting specific scenes or screenshots mentioned simply because I don't want to be looking for the problems talked about. Once I see it I'll always be looking for it.

[pro-bassoonist]

Originally Posted by hoytereden

Me too. I don't have a TV big enough to bring out the major shortcomings and I don't watch with the critical eye that I used to. Senior citizen vision takes care of that. Frankly, when I read the reviews on this site I avoid noting specific scenes or screenshots mentioned simply because I don't want to be looking for the problems talked about. Once I see it I'll always be looking for it.

This was a great comment

On a more serious note, on a properly calibrated set -- let's assume you are somewhere between 55'-80'+ -- it is virtually impossible to see anything that 200/300% blow-ups would bring up. This is why you are not seeing anything. And this is why all this nitpicking of blown-up screencaptures is so silly.

Additionally, once you blow-up this much you are effectively destabilizing/collapsing the grain structure. Unless it is 1:1 digital replica, you would see density fluctuations and regardless of how well a disc is encoded you will find "issues".

Lastly, contrary to what some people write, 4K upscaling DOES NOT expose more artifacts. It has the exact opposite effect. It actually "tightens up" the visuals. In other words, if you had a transfer where grain wasn't well distributed and resolved, the upscaling balances it quite well.

Now, it all depends on what type of master was used to produce the release, so there are variables. An older transfer done on a Spirit will still reveal various limitations after it is upscaled. But recent/newer masters done on ARRI, Oxberry, and NorthLight scanners (etc.) would look absolutely amazing upscaled. Actually, even good DVDs can look quite impressive. Obviously, native 4K Blu-ray would be superior to the current crop of 1080p Blu-ray, but I can assure you that the likes of Criterion's Thief or Satyricon look really, really good upscaled.

Have a great weekend, guys.

Pro-B

[Yami]

Originally Posted by pedromvu

Not sure if it has been discussed, but last week Criterion added a Liv Ullmann photo that appears to be for a new interview to their Instagram page.



Time for a new Bergman release, these seems to be the remaining possibilities:



Hour of the Wolf (1968)

The Passion of Anna (1970)

Scenes from a Marriage (1974) (Upgrade)

Face to Face (1976)

Saraband (2003)



I think a new spine is more probable.

It could well be for Jan Troell's The Emigrants and The New Land

[ravenus]

Originally Posted by Namuhana

I've heard of Lady Snowblood but I've never seen the films

They were definitely a huge inspiration for the Kill Bill movies...but better, since they're not so up their own bum in movie referencing.

I wonder if anyone can say if the 2K restorations referred to are the same that Arrow accessed for their release or newer.

[jordan-r]

Originally Posted by pedromvu

Not sure if it has been discussed, but last week Criterion added a Liv Ullmann photo that appears to be for a new interview to their Instagram page.

Time for a new Bergman release, these seems to be the remaining possibilities:

Hour of the Wolf (1968)
The Passion of Anna (1970)
Scenes from a Marriage (1974) (Upgrade)
Face to Face (1976)
Saraband (2003)

I think a new spine is more probable.

That MGM Bergman package also included Shame -- been holding out hope for a Criterion edition of that movie for years.

[Polaroid]

Originally Posted by ravenus

They were definitely a huge inspiration for the Kill Bill movies...but better, since they're not so up their own bum in movie referencing.

I wonder if anyone can say if the 2K restorations referred to are the same that Arrow accessed for their release or newer.

Do they have the humor and sillyness to them like Kill Bill?

[Larusso]

I would say they only look alike they are two different styles of movies. And they both have revenge-plots.

[Meek12345]

Just finished watching Bitter Rice on Hulu a few hours ago and it was definitely worth the time. Silvana Mangano is like some sort of Italian Ingrid Bergman/Rita Hayworth hybrid. She has a few dance scenes that made me think of Rita's performances in Gilda. I also thought of A Streetcar Named Desire as I watched Bitter Rice since both films almost make you feel like you are suffering under the same oppressive heat as the characters.

Also, I would like to recommend this calendar by the National Film Registry to everyone. I have been buying this calendar for a few years now and at least 1 or 2 Criterion titles will be featured each year. Gilda is included for 2016:
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https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0789329972/ref=ox_sc_act_image_5?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX 0DER

[jlk5844]

Originally Posted by ravenus

I wonder if anyone can say if the 2K restorations referred to are the same that Arrow accessed for their release or newer.

I hope they're newer. Arrow's transfer can be improved upon.

[Bob Kramer]

Originally Posted by Polaroid

Do they have the humor and sillyness to them like Kill Bill?

Are they as derivative as Kill Bill?

[Vinyl]

Looking at criterions releases of box sets, I think they are doing an amazing job with choosing them and making them worth buying.

Just in the last year or two there was the Pierre Etaix set, the Tati set, the Zotoichi set, Cassavetes, Jacques Demy, The BBS story, now The Apu Trilogy and Lady Snowblood sets coming soon.

[Vinyl]

I was Thinking of criterion's box sets today and yesterday.

Just in the last year or two there was the Pierre Etaix set, the Tati set, the Zotoichi set, Cassavetes, Jacques Demy, The BBS story, now The Apu Trilogy and Lady Snowblood sets coming soon.

I think they are doing an amazing job with choosing box sets and making them worth buying. Now if I just had the money and time for more...

[AgentOrange]

Originally Posted by Vinyl

I was Thinking of criterion's box sets today and yesterday.

Just in the last year or two there was the Pierre Etaix set, the Tati set, the Zotoichi set, Cassavetes, Jacques Demy, The BBS story, now The Apu Trilogy and Lady Snowblood sets coming soon.

I think they are doing an amazing job with choosing box sets and making them worth buying. Now if I just had the money and time for more...

Isn't Snowblood a "double feature" rather than a set? That one might just be a double feature on one disc. (and it is indeed listed as one disc).

[I KEEL YOU]

Originally Posted by Kolm14

Seems like Pierrot Le Fou and Ran have new restorations coming out. Don't know if this means anything, but could these releases possibly go back in print?

Source? In my Studio Canal of Pierrot le Fou, prior to the movie starts there's a message that says the original negative has been destroyed and that this master was made from an interpositive. It looks pretty good if this is taken into consideration. I just watched it not too long ago and it holds up very well. So unless the original negative has been found, I don't see much of a point to a new restoration. I hate when studios do this - use their resources on films that already have perfectly fine presentations on blu ray when those resources could be used to restore other movies.

Ran, on the other hand, probably needs a restoration more than any other movie period, if we consider the movie's magnitude. If the current blu ray isn't a SD upscale, then it certainly isn't far off from being one.

[Bob Kramer]

Originally Posted by I KEEL YOU

Ran, on the other hand, probably needs a restoration more than any other movie period, if we consider the movie's magnitude.

I adore Ran, but in terms of necessary restoration and upgrades, I'd place Andrei Rublev at the top.

[I KEEL YOU]

Originally Posted by Bob Kramer

I adore Ran, but in terms of necessary restoration and upgrades, I'd place Andrei Rublev at the top.

Andrei Rublev has a pretty decent HD master:

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...ss=1#vergleich

It has a region free release in Russia, with English subtitles.

Ran on the other hand looks terrible and completely unacceptable:

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...ID=978#auswahl

[kuro_sawa]

Originally Posted by pedromvu

Not sure if it has been discussed, but last week Criterion added a Liv Ullmann photo that appears to be for a new interview to their Instagram page.

Time for a new Bergman release, these seems to be the remaining possibilities:

Hour of the Wolf (1968)
The Passion of Anna (1970)
Scenes from a Marriage (1974) (Upgrade)
Face to Face (1976)
Saraband (2003)

I think a new spine is more probable.

Hour of the Wolf please!