4K movies get a new format or add to BD?

[epicmovietime]

Just curious when 4K movies eventually start coming out to stores for people to buy if there will be an all together new format for 4K or if Blu-ray will maybe end up getting more layers on the disc to hold more information and they'd just call it "Blu-ray 4K"?

Personally I think it should be a totally new format and call it "Ultra-HD Disc".

[Ryan0503]

Originally Posted by Love Blu-Ray

RedRay is a terrible idea, people will think the old format HD is back (red cases)

Also from what I read ... redray requires the movie to have been filmed with a RED camera (the hobbit was) so movies already made wouldn't benifit from it

[RocShemp]

Originally Posted by Ryan0503

Also from what I read ... redray requires the movie to have been filmed with a RED camera (the hobbit was) so movies already made wouldn't benifit from it

Having the film shot on RED cameras is not a requirement. REDray is just a distribution method.

[Ryan0503]

Originally Posted by RocShemp

Having the film shot on RED cameras is not a requirement. REDray is just a distribution method.

I misspoke ... it has to be encoded in the RED format ... not filmed with the camera

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[Visionist]

Does this mean 4K films not shot on RED will be granted RED encodes for the new player? Otherwise there isn't much point...

Which 4K films avoid this problem by being native RED? The Hobbit is one, Prometheus is another...

If I can't enjoy Skyfall's Shanghai scenes (shot on ARRI Alexa) in 4K on this machine I won't be bothering with it...

[img eL]

Asked about the potential for 4K on Blu-ray discs, he noted that "there has been some progress" on a new industry standard, "but there's no conclusion, and I have to let that forum do their work."

Sony Electronics President and COO Phil Molyneux

[movie_mike2]

4k movies will be much bigger than 100g they are 500g at the theatre

[Bluepeace]

Why are they even pushing for 4K??? it's not that better than 1080p
I say skip 4K and just go for 8K directly.

[oppopioneer]

I was in Best Buy last night and they had a Sony 4k tv on display which was amazing! The only movies that can be played on that now are Sony titles from Columbia/Tri-Star.

In order to watch it you have to have a special Sony hard drive device hooked up to it that you have to buy separately. The device is a big round device that looks like a frisbie.

But I can say my Pioneer Elite Kuro PRO-151FD when watching bluray is almost as good in PQ. The 4k did NOT blow my Pio out of the water in PQ and in fact could be compared side by side and be pretty close. Great thing about this 4k technology is you can watch the tv from the side off angle and it keeps it's black levels the same and doesn't wash out. Unlike LCD/LED which are just giant laptop screens which I can't stand. I have a Samsung LCD tv upstairs and it's no where near as good as a 4k tv or plasma.

The worker there told me in order to see real 4k on that new Sony you need a high end Monster HDMI cable. I just said to myself: "Oh hear we go again with this B.S.!"

If 4k tv's are the future them I'm happy. Everyone who never had a Pioneer Kuro plasma should be looking forward to 4k tv's.

[Dragun]

Originally Posted by Visionist

Which 4K films avoid this problem by being native RED? The Hobbit is one, Prometheus is another...

If I can't enjoy Skyfall's Shanghai scenes (shot on ARRI Alexa) in 4K on this machine I won't be bothering with it...

According to IMDB, The Hobbit and Prometheus only got 2K DIs.

Skyfall did get a 4K DI, but it's a 2.8K camera. I don't know if they did a 4K DI so they could use that extra resolution or if they upconverted it.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Dragun

According to IMDB, The Hobbit ...only got 2K DIs.

So, I see that the full specs for The Hobbit have finally been listed on imdb, as you’ve pointed out. Better late than never I guess.

‘Searching For Sugar Man’ also needs updating…http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2125608/...ef_=tt_dt_spec Especially since it is rather unique in that a few scenes were actually shot on an iPhone with an 8mm film ap., and after all, it did win a Best Picture Academy Award in its respective category.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Visionist

Does this mean 4K films not shot on RED will be granted RED encodes for the new player? Otherwise there isn't much point...

Which 4K films avoid this problem by being native RED? The Hobbit is one...

Whether it’s shot ‘native RED’ or not is not really of technical consequence in regards to qualifying for eligibility for home distribution. In essence, all a motion picture needs technically in order to make it onto REDRAY is a DSM (Digital Source Master). It doesn’t really matter which digital camera, or even film camera, the original images were captured with.

You see, for instance, you could *potentially* get some classic films on REDRAY if the studios/content owners would make them available to RED’s distribution partner…ODEMAX.

REDRAY’s *potential* future movie offerings are not limited to the 42MB wavelet-based editing Redcode codec (.R3D), but rather to their proprietary REDRAY distribution codec (.RED< which is what I think they’ve named it)

Think of it this way….Blu-ray currently supports the following video codecs: MPEG-2, MPEG-4 AVC and VC-1…for your home movies. REDRAY supports the video codec .RED

The practical problem, or bottleneck, if you will, is that it appears ODEMAX has hit an impasse ... https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ax#post7215286

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Whether it’s shot ‘native RED’ or not is not really of technical consequence in regards to qualifying for eligibility for home distribution....

This also applies the other way around, e.g. just because The Amazing Spider-Man was primarily shot with a RED Epic camera, does in no way make it more likely to end up on REDRAY than does a Sony Pictures motion picture shot with a Sony F65.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Whether it’s shot ‘native RED’ or not is not really of technical consequence in regards to qualifying for eligibility for home distribution. In essence, all a motion picture needs technically in order to make it onto REDRAY is a DSM (Digital Source Master). It doesn’t really matter which digital camera, or even film camera, the original images were captured with.

You see, for instance, you could *potentially* get some classic films on REDRAY if the studios/content owners would make them available to RED’s distribution partner…ODEMAX.

REDRAY’s *potential* future movie offerings are not limited to the 42MB wavelet-based editing Redcode codec (.R3D), but rather to their proprietary REDRAY distribution codec (.RED< which is what I think they’ve named it)

Think of it this way….Blu-ray currently supports the following video codecs: MPEG-2, MPEG-4 AVC and VC-1…for your home movies. REDRAY supports the video codec .RED

The practical problem, or bottleneck, if you will, is that it appears ODEMAX has hit an impasse ... https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ax#post7215286

Couldn't help think what would happen if red ray's service became available on the new Xbox. The forums would get very lively! (I know it would never happen, just a thought)

For the record, my loyalty is with play station

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Couldn't help think what would happen if red ray's service became available on the new Xbox....

lol, well I think that would be kind of like a slap to the face of the co-chair of the JCT-VC, Mr. Sullivan… http://hevc.hhi.fraunhofer.de/

given his employer… http://www.vcip2012.org/keynote-speech/gary-j-sullivan

b.t.w., that panoramic shot of San Diego ^ is looking across from Coronado ...where I'll be headed this weekend.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

...red ray's service...

I looked at the RED forum this week and I get the impression that RED is distancing themselves from their chosen ‘red ray service’, i.e. ODEMAX. Not sure if that is a reflection of impotency on the part of their partner(ODEMAX), or a failed idea, in general, by RED for the ability to offer a viable commercial distribution platform for RED RAY, no matter whom they would have chosen to partner up with.

One thing is for sure....the atmosphere has changed from Hype to Silence by the RED team members.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

For the record, my loyalty is with play station

Excellent fundamentals…https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ly#post7236708

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Visionist

Which 4K films avoid this problem by being native RED? The Hobbit is one...

Not so….at least not for the time being, i.e. no 4K finish was done.

If one has some experience regarding VFX post production, there was never really much of a chance for a 4K DI for the worldwide release of The Hobbit as summarily explained here…https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ll#post6848379

^ P.S.
For additional clarity, it never went through a 4K DI pipeline, period….be it even in 2D, no matter what the frame rate.

[steve1971]

Just add it to Blu ray. I dont want to go through another format war.

[in2video2]

Originally Posted by steve1971

Just add it to Blu ray. I dont want to go through another format war.

I'd back you 100% as I am sure if another format was introduced for 4K then at this stage as our economy struggles to recover it would gain little or no support whatsoever. I am sure the Blu-ray forum are aware of this as they make the important decisions ahead of them. If at all possible add it to Blu-ray.