Sony UBP-X800 4K UHD Blu-ray player - Page 198 - Blu-ray Forum

Mandalorian · 10-28-2018, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by PrestonXI

I have an interesting sound issue that has to be due to the X800. When playing back the new Halloween II (1981) Blu-ray from Scream Factory, there is a split second audio dropout at 3:20. I have a PS3 connected to the same TV and the issue does not happen with that player. It also does not happen with my cheap Sony Blu-ray player in the other room. Process of elimination tells me that it has to be how the X800 is outputting the audio.

I have the player hooked up via HDMI to my LG OLED and there is an optical cord going from the LG to my Samsung soundbar. Can anyone provide any insight into what might be the optimal audio settings for that kind of configuration? Thanks!

Good luck. I have audio dropouts with almost half of the discs I watch. People will tell you to make sure BD Audio Mix is Off, but that can cause other discs to drop audio. Also, as I've stated before, this occurs even if your just using the TV speakers. I too have an LG OLED.

Member-167298 · 10-28-2018, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mandalorian

Good luck. I have audio dropouts with almost half of the discs I watch. People will tell you to make sure BD Audio Mix is Off, but that can cause other discs to drop audio. Also, as I've stated before, this occurs even if your just using the TV speakers. I too have an LG OLED.

Interesting. Do you think the LG TV or the Sony player is the culprit? Or is it the combo of both?

Ernest Rister · 10-29-2018, 03:05 AM

I've had this player for about six months...not a single audio dropout, ever...but then, I'm using all-like Sony equipment - player, receiver, display - so they're all swapping the same spit.

PCFan · 10-29-2018, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Scarriere

My tv doesn't have DV either, so I'm not lamenting what the 800 doesn't have.
The X800 has been great with the UHD's, Blu-rays, SACD and dvd-a's and dvd's that I've played on it.
This is one of the better a/v purchases I've made.

Have you played Ready Player One and Saving Private Ryan 4k Blu-ray discs without issues on this 4k Blu-ray Player?

Vor4 · 10-29-2018, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by PCFan

Have you played Ready Player One and Saving Private Ryan 4k Blu-ray discs without issues on this 4k Blu-ray Player?

Both titles are on 100GB discs. I read that Sony 4k players tend to freeze up more on those type discs.

Are you planning to exchange your recently bought LG UBK80 4k UHD Blu-ray Player for the Sony X800 which is too expensive for a 2 year old 4k player? or did you return it and come to your senses that you have a collection over 1200 movies in your iTunes collection and its not worth going back to physical media?

2-J · 10-29-2018, 07:24 AM

Owned this player since it came out and played tons of discs on it, dvds, blus, uhd blus, - never had a single audio dropout issue. Just sending the audio straight to the (Sony) tv speakers.

StingingVelvet · 10-29-2018, 07:02 PM

This player is really hit or miss. Some love it and have never had problems, which is cool. However I've had two in a row stop reading UHD discs, and I've googled around and found LOTS of posts on various forums about similar issues. Granted that's anecdotal evidence, but it does have a reputation.

Ernest Rister · 10-29-2018, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

This player is really hit or miss. Some love it and have never had problems, which is cool. However I've had two in a row stop reading UHD discs, and I've googled around and found LOTS of posts on various forums about similar issues. Granted that's anecdotal evidence, but it does have a reputation.

I was close to having an OCD meltdown after the last firmware update disabled the player...(see my post about it up thread, player works perfectly now, but there was about two hours of building rage). I bought an early Sony blu-ray player, and by early, I mean early...Eleven years ago. Can't call it a complete waste of money, but platform upgrades suddenly rendered certain discs unreadable. Had to go buy a new player with the current platform. Meanwhile, firmware upgrades stripped out the P-I-P visual commentary content from the Blu-Ray to Pinocchio. On top of that, firmware upgrades to my iPad rendered some (not all) of my Disney Second Screen apps unplayable, and I can no longer download films to my iPad on Vudu because Apple has stopped supporting it.

Look, if I buy I chainsaw, I expect it to be a chainsaw. I expect to have it for a long, long time. I expect it to work. The company makes a new chainsaw, suddenly the chainsaw I own starts up, but no longer saws, I'm pissed off, and now less inclined to buy a chainsaw. That's where I'm at with this stuff - phones, displays, mobile devices, disc players...stop breaking my stuff. Seriously, I was about to completely lose my cool on a Sunday morning over what happened with the firmware update. I have a laserdisc player from the NINETIES that operates exactly as it should. Thank God it didn't have an internet connection.

Scarriere · 10-29-2018, 09:27 PM

My X800 was open box from Bestbuy. I don't know why the previous customer brought it back, but it's been good to me...so far.

I'm only balancing out the bad that's reported here, with my positives. People should read both sides.

SpaceBlackKnight · 10-30-2018, 01:05 AM

Update on my $89 UBX800 clearance steal!

After getting BD playback settings and looks to where I wanted it, I tired out some DVDs to see if upconversion (when the default NR setting is off) is any different than the BDP-S370 (which exhibited horrible line twitter when interlaced DVDs output at 1080p and even progressive encoded content with 24p cinema mode on). mediocre at best. Progressive encoded content displays fine at the proper frame rate, but upon close inspection, suffers from line flickering due to some wacky deinterlacing thing that the player is putting on somewhere. I did a 1080i only test with the same progressive flagged DVD titles, and it wasn't as noticeable but still there to a degree if you know where to look at bold texts and static backgrounds.

As for 4K playback on a 1080p display, the 1st title tested was 1996's Independence Day UHD (which was an eariler Fox UHD title that has mastering issues we'll dip into later).

At 1st, colors were alright but things like blues and lighter hues like skin tones looked dull, ala the look when gamma is turned down too low. The player color settings were set to RGB and HDR was turned off. Fortunately, there was a menu within playback to adjust the SDR conversion and the 1-5 meter (1 being "narrow" and 5 being "wide") was set 4, and turning it to 5 made the image even more desaturated and murky. Going down made the image brighter and colors pop more, looking closer to the BD version. However, it also had the effect of being overly bright and crushing whites at 1. I found 3 to be the best measure, and yet the colors still had more saturation and depth compared to the remastered BD.

One issue that I did notice with the UHD was the flickering "grain". I had thought for a second it was some weird restoration issue (like Criterion's Richard III BD) where they poorly erased film scratches and damage, but I took a look at the remastered BD and it wasn't there. I then thought it was a bug within the players's SDR conversion, but it turned out Fox just plopped on a mediocre encode and here's why: A friend of mine showed me his 1:1 4k rip and it exhibited the exact same issue. It turns out that Fox went cheap as usual and the main feature file size was around 45-ish GBs in change. I was told that most UHD's would be on a BD 66 minimum or BD 100, and ID4's UHD is supposedly a BD 50, which could explain things.

I then took a look at Sony's Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon UHD, and the recent Fox Die Hard UHD. CTHD looked stunning with the SDR conversion and the grain was fine and lovely, not a compression issue at sight since it's from one of the main pioneers of this format (and possibly a BD100 being it had special features, which most other UHD's AFAIK lack).

Die Hard OTH, looked much better than ID4 overall. However, it still had that flickering grain thing going on if you look carefully at bright scenes, but nowhere near intrusive or noticeable as the latter. I suspect DH too is a BD 50 or possibly a BD66 (no way to check on a PC as my drives cannot read UHD discs and my friend only had ID4 direct from his disc on his PC).

StingingVelvet · 10-30-2018, 10:53 PM

This player's SDR conversion is terrible dude. I'd return it and save for the Panasonic.

SpaceBlackKnight · 10-30-2018, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

This player's SDR conversion is terrible...

If you leave it at default settings like others will do. One needs to take the time to toy around with something new, instead of jumping to assumptions and saying everything sucks.

I got all the settings on the X800 to where I want them and i'm quite satisfied with it's HDR-SDR conversion after some tweaks. I'm happy with the $90 spent on the X800, rather than throwing down half a grand on the pricer Panasonic player that would have ether been a buggy POS and have probably drop in price afterwords then become outdated in a few years.

I also had very bad experience with Panasonic players. A couple years ago I bought this region free modded one For around $220 back in 2013 https://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-Pla...onic+bd+player

This POS had major issues from day 1, ranging from shittly slow menus and navagation, to HDMI dropouts and no signal errors with PAL/50hz content, and then some discs would not play at all unless I updated firmware which would break the mod. About 2 years later, the disc drive died AFTER the company's warranty went up so that one was a coaster waste.

eddievanhalen · 10-31-2018, 04:29 AM

I've had the X-800 for almost a year and a half and I always wondered one thing, on the Screen Setting, goind down on the menu there is YCbr/RGB (HDMI) setting that lets you change the kind of component signal video signal the player outputs, or even RGB but I find RGB kind of useless with HDR discs/material as at least on my Samsung set it doesn't display Wide Color Gamut.
If I set the HDMI to Auto it actually outputs 4:2:4 which seems to be the default setting, but I personally find that 4:4:4 renders a cleaner picture.
I know that a component 4:4:4 video signal uses more bandwith than 4:2:2 so Sony may have set by default component to 4:2:2 as it's not so picky with HDMI cables, but I'm using an inexpensive High Speed 5 meter Amazon Basics HDMI cable and it works great either with 4:2:2 or 4:4:4 only that as I said earlier 4:4:4 looks cleaner to my and slightly improves color. Has anyone has experienced this with this player or others? Or do you directly set the Video output to Auto?

Scarriere · 10-31-2018, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PCFan

Have you played Ready Player One and Saving Private Ryan 4k Blu-ray discs without issues on this 4k Blu-ray Player?

I didn't see this until now.
I watched Ready Player One with no issues. I haven't watched Saving Private Ryan yet.

StingingVelvet · 10-31-2018, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SpaceBlackKnight

If you leave it at default settings like others will do. One needs to take the time to toy around with something new, instead of jumping to assumptions and saying everything sucks.

Dude, I messed with the settings for weeks. The SDR conversion is black crush city, no matter what player settings you change. Glad you're enjoying it, but it is what it is.

LordoftheRings · 11-01-2018, 05:59 AM

This review reads like déjà vu:
• https://www.digitaltrends.com/blu-ra...p-x800-review/

I've checked for similarly the same but they were still different and by different reviewers.

LordoftheRings · 11-01-2018, 06:04 AM

This reviewer doesn't like the upscaling:
• http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/sony/...u-ray-playback

pzapatka · 11-01-2018, 09:08 PM

OK, strange issue that I can't find previously brought up. I recently picked up the X800 and it has played 4K UHD discs perfectly - until trying Bad Boys and Bad Boys 2. Both discs lock up right from the start, but never in the same spots.

I'm perplexed, as they are Sony titles. Any ideas?

mysticwaterfall · 11-01-2018, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pzapatka

OK, strange issue that I can't find previously brought up. I recently picked up the X800 and it has played 4K UHD discs perfectly - until trying Bad Boys and Bad Boys 2. Both discs lock up right from the start, but never in the same spots.

I'm perplexed, as they are Sony titles. Any ideas?

Haven't had problems with those, but the first thing to try is always to clean the discs, 4k discs are much more sensitive to to being dirty.

Cortiz · 11-01-2018, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pzapatka

OK, strange issue that I can't find previously brought up. I recently picked up the X800 and it has played 4K UHD discs perfectly - until trying Bad Boys and Bad Boys 2. Both discs lock up right from the start, but never in the same spots.

I'm perplexed, as they are Sony titles. Any ideas?

Do you have the latest firmware installed? I was having the occasional freeze and have had ZERO since installing the latest firmware.

10-30-2018, 01:05 AM	#3950
SpaceBlackKnight Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jul 2018 4K collection:25 Blu-ray collection:346 Digital collection:20	Update on my $89 UBX800 clearance steal! After getting BD playback settings and looks to where I wanted it, I tired out some DVDs to see if upconversion (when the default NR setting is off) is any different than the BDP-S370 (which exhibited horrible line twitter when interlaced DVDs output at 1080p and even progressive encoded content with 24p cinema mode on). mediocre at best. Progressive encoded content displays fine at the proper frame rate, but upon close inspection, suffers from line flickering due to some wacky deinterlacing thing that the player is putting on somewhere. I did a 1080i only test with the same progressive flagged DVD titles, and it wasn't as noticeable but still there to a degree if you know where to look at bold texts and static backgrounds. As for 4K playback on a 1080p display, the 1st title tested was 1996's Independence Day UHD (which was an eariler Fox UHD title that has mastering issues we'll dip into later). At 1st, colors were alright but things like blues and lighter hues like skin tones looked dull, ala the look when gamma is turned down too low. The player color settings were set to RGB and HDR was turned off. Fortunately, there was a menu within playback to adjust the SDR conversion and the 1-5 meter (1 being "narrow" and 5 being "wide") was set 4, and turning it to 5 made the image even more desaturated and murky. Going down made the image brighter and colors pop more, looking closer to the BD version. However, it also had the effect of being overly bright and crushing whites at 1. I found 3 to be the best measure, and yet the colors still had more saturation and depth compared to the remastered BD. One issue that I did notice with the UHD was the flickering "grain". I had thought for a second it was some weird restoration issue (like Criterion's Richard III BD) where they poorly erased film scratches and damage, but I took a look at the remastered BD and it wasn't there. I then thought it was a bug within the players's SDR conversion, but it turned out Fox just plopped on a mediocre encode and here's why: A friend of mine showed me his 1:1 4k rip and it exhibited the exact same issue. It turns out that Fox went cheap as usual and the main feature file size was around 45-ish GBs in change. I was told that most UHD's would be on a BD 66 minimum or BD 100, and ID4's UHD is supposedly a BD 50, which could explain things. I then took a look at Sony's Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon UHD, and the recent Fox Die Hard UHD. CTHD looked stunning with the SDR conversion and the grain was fine and lovely, not a compression issue at sight since it's from one of the main pioneers of this format (and possibly a BD100 being it had special features, which most other UHD's AFAIK lack). Die Hard OTH, looked much better than ID4 overall. However, it still had that flickering grain thing going on if you look carefully at bright scenes, but nowhere near intrusive or noticeable as the latter. I suspect DH too is a BD 50 or possibly a BD66 (no way to check on a PC as my drives cannot read UHD discs and my friend only had ID4 direct from his disc on his PC). Last edited by SpaceBlackKnight; 10-30-2018 at 01:14 AM.

10-31-2018, 04:29 AM	#3953
eddievanhalen Blu-ray Guru Member since:Mar 2008 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:9	HDMI settings. I've had the X-800 for almost a year and a half and I always wondered one thing, on the Screen Setting, goind down on the menu there is YCbr/RGB (HDMI) setting that lets you change the kind of component signal video signal the player outputs, or even RGB but I find RGB kind of useless with HDR discs/material as at least on my Samsung set it doesn't display Wide Color Gamut. If I set the HDMI to Auto it actually outputs 4:2:4 which seems to be the default setting, but I personally find that 4:4:4 renders a cleaner picture. I know that a component 4:4:4 video signal uses more bandwith than 4:2:2 so Sony may have set by default component to 4:2:2 as it's not so picky with HDMI cables, but I'm using an inexpensive High Speed 5 meter Amazon Basics HDMI cable and it works great either with 4:2:2 or 4:4:4 only that as I said earlier 4:4:4 looks cleaner to my and slightly improves color. Has anyone has experienced this with this player or others? Or do you directly set the Video output to Auto?

10-29-2018, 03:05 AM	#3943
Ernest Rister Blu-ray Prince Member since:Jan 2008 4K collection:100 Blu-ray collection:590 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:1	I've had this player for about six months...not a single audio dropout, ever...but then, I'm using all-like Sony equipment - player, receiver, display - so they're all swapping the same spit.

10-29-2018, 07:24 AM	#3946
2-J Active Member Member since:Dec 2014	Owned this player since it came out and played tons of discs on it, dvds, blus, uhd blus, - never had a single audio dropout issue. Just sending the audio straight to the (Sony) tv speakers.

10-29-2018, 07:02 PM	#3947
StingingVelvet Blu-ray Grand Duke Member since:Jan 2014 Location:Philadelphia, PA 4K collection:851 Blu-ray collection:2331 DVD collection:111 Digital collection:12 Trading Score:69	This player is really hit or miss. Some love it and have never had problems, which is cool. However I've had two in a row stop reading UHD discs, and I've googled around and found LOTS of posts on various forums about similar issues. Granted that's anecdotal evidence, but it does have a reputation.

10-29-2018, 09:27 PM	#3949
Scarriere Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Sep 2008 Location:The Diamond Capital of North America™ Home Theater Gallery:60 4K collection:153 Blu-ray collection:734 DVD collection:21 Trading Score:1	My X800 was open box from Bestbuy. I don't know why the previous customer brought it back, but it's been good to me...so far. I'm only balancing out the bad that's reported here, with my positives. People should read both sides.

10-30-2018, 10:53 PM	#3951
StingingVelvet Blu-ray Grand Duke Member since:Jan 2014 Location:Philadelphia, PA 4K collection:851 Blu-ray collection:2331 DVD collection:111 Digital collection:12 Trading Score:69	This player's SDR conversion is terrible dude. I'd return it and save for the Panasonic.

11-01-2018, 05:59 AM	#3956
LordoftheRings Special Member Top contributor Member since:Mar 2010 Location:Portishead ♫	This review reads like déjà vu: • https://www.digitaltrends.com/blu-ra...p-x800-review/ I've checked for similarly the same but they were still different and by different reviewers.

11-01-2018, 06:04 AM	#3957
LordoftheRings Special Member Top contributor Member since:Mar 2010 Location:Portishead ♫	This reviewer doesn't like the upscaling: • http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/sony/...u-ray-playback

11-01-2018, 09:08 PM	#3958
pzapatka Junior Member Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Federal Way, WA Blu-ray collection:263	OK, strange issue that I can't find previously brought up. I recently picked up the X800 and it has played 4K UHD discs perfectly - until trying Bad Boys and Bad Boys 2. Both discs lock up right from the start, but never in the same spots. I'm perplexed, as they are Sony titles. Any ideas?

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