Superman: The Movie 4K UHD (1978)

[Bourne1886]

Originally Posted by Dragon Ranger

I have this Superman CD box set



Is there any advantage to the releases people have been discussing the last few pages?

Me too and it cost a lot. I asked a few pages back but never got a response from anyone.

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by Dragon Ranger

I have this Superman CD box set



Is there any advantage to the releases people have been discussing the last few pages?

Yes huge upgrade in sound quality:

- 2008 version came from the same 35mm mag used for the 2001 DVD Isolated Score. It was a third-generation source. The master used was basically from digital files created in 2000 by Warner for the Special Edition DVD

- 2019 version comes from the unearthed 1st-generation masters (2" 24-track) transferred in high resolution 192 khz/24 bit last year by Warner Sound.

There's actually a 18 year span in technology between the two releases...

And the analog source is the best possibile this time

[Mocorongo]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

Isolated scores cost the studios money when included - dealing with music rights are often a completely different bag of kettle than film rights.

I know, but in this case they always include the isolated score in the Director's Cut. They did for the DVDs and done it again for the Blu-ray. Since this is already done I see no problem if trimming for the theatrical cut.

I think it's also a shame the sequels didn't get any isolated score. Both Superman and Back to the Future movies are the only ones I regret to this date the companies never made this possible.

And if I am not mistaken you could even listen to individual tracks (extra material) in the old 2000 DVD release. To deny fans of that possibility is shameful since these scores are among the best ever created.

It's a great experience listening to them while the movie is playing.

As you can see below, it can be done.

Superman IV - The Quest For Peace - 1987 - LASERDISC - Battle In The U.S.S.R. (score only) - YouTube

[Mose Harper]

Originally Posted by Dragon Ranger

I have this Superman CD box set



Is there any advantage to the releases people have been discussing the last few pages?

Not really for films II-IV, but there is a substantial improvement in the sonics for the first film (and it's original '78 album presentation, which has been reconstructed and included in the new LaLa Land release).

The one caveat to the above is that the few extras and source cues for the first film that are found on Disc 8 of that blue box, are now ported to the separate Superman II/III LaLa Land release. They are also now using the 1st gen sources, but the primary content for films II and III on that release is from the same source as the blu box.

I love having the Luthor's Luau music to play, as well as a couple of the other cues there, but don't feel the need to buy the II/III release just to get those in better quality. For that material, the blue box is sufficient for me and I'm still glad I own it.

For the first film, the new three disc release is a highly recommended upgrade.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Mocorongo

I think it's also a shame the sequels didn't get any isolated score. Both Superman and Back to the Future movies are the only ones I regret to this date the companies never made this possible.

And if I am not mistaken you could even listen to individual tracks (extra material) in the old 2000 DVD release. To deny fans of that possibility is shameful since these scores are among the best ever created.

Myself I never cared for Thorne's re-orchestrated versions of the original score on II so no music-only track was no great loss. The Courage arrangements on Superman IV seem...peculiar. Like a lightweight local orchestra playing Superman at a concert. I read about them switching around orchestras and recording locations so the low budget mess of the film extended to the scoring as well.
PS: LULZ on the S IV preview image from YouTube showing just how terrible the bluescreen compositing on the film was.

[hanser]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

It was a surprise to me. Saw the announcement trailer after New Years.

Any other Williams scores on the horizon? Sugarland? JFK? Nixon? Born on the 4th of July? Catch Me If You Can? War Horse? Amistad?

JFK and Amistad have been rumored, but nothing solid.

Since you managed to miss JP and 1941, just to be sure: Do you know that there is a huge box with the complete first 3 Harry Potter soundtracks available? Not to be missed for Williams fans. And also I recommend the complete "Dracula" released last year, and especially the complete "Close Encounters" also still available.

[worldchmps]

Is the 4k on Vudu the same transfer as used for the physical disc? Does the picture look similar? Does it have HDR?

[hedliniv]

Is it usual for moviemusic.com to have items listed as

"Not in Stock

Real-time inventory system indicates this item is not currently available.

Let us notify you when this item is back in stock."

Should I wait or just order from another vendor? I'm inclined to wait as their shipping prices are extremely nice!

Originally Posted by Hedji

It's not sold out. They are pressed in batches. The stock just needs to be replenished.

Another vendor I HIGHLY recommend is moviemusic.com but I don't know what their international shipping is like.

[Agent Kay]

Please.
Someone.
Make.
A.
Soundtracks.
Forum.
And.
Stop.
Bumping.
This.

Funny that some of the people doing it whine about other things in threads being wrong, like cover art and more...

[fighthefutureofhd]

But you keep bumping it up. Why is ok for you to do, but not anybody else? Especially, when they're sort of on topic.

[Agent Kay]

This whole page is about the soundtracks and more about soundtracks that are not superman the movie!

[fighthefutureofhd]

Ok. And?

[Agent Kay]

There is obviously a want for a soundtracks sub forum.
And if those people whine about bumps or off topic chat they can do one?

[cartload]

Originally Posted by worldchmps

Is the 4k on Vudu the same transfer as used for the physical disc? Does the picture look similar? Does it have HDR?

Video transfer on Vudu is the same transfer as the 4K disc and it is in Dolby Vision.

Unfortunately Vudu only has the Atmos sound track, which is based on the remix they did for the Special Edition.

The theatrical/original audio track (which is far superior IMO) can only be found on the UHD disc.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by hanser

JFK and Amistad have been rumored, but nothing solid.

Since you managed to miss JP and 1941, just to be sure: Do you know that there is a huge box with the complete first 3 Harry Potter soundtracks available? Not to be missed for Williams fans. And also I recommend the complete "Dracula" released last year, and especially the complete "Close Encounters" also still available.

Treasure Island (1934) was on TCM last night -- told my my wife, "Look! That's Jackie Cooper as Jim Hawkins." She didn't know who that was, told her he played Perry White in Superman: The Movie. Still drawing a blank. Told her Perry White is the editor of the Daily Planet. Still nothing. "There's only one 'P' in 'rapist'."

That did it.

Anyway, I already have the John Williams Potter collection, but thank you for the recommendation. I posted my small Intrada/La-La Land expanded/complete soundtrack collection a few pages back, if you're curious.

[Bourne1886]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Eh. Even within the remit of Geoff Unsworth's filtered-to-**** photography it still looks unnaturally soft in terms of grain at times, it's got some glaring source issues that really should've been fixed up (dupe sections, visible garbage mattes during Kal's flight from Krypton that I've never seen on any previous version, ditto for the ugly 'bands' during that final flight of Supes over the Earth as the Sun rises at the end) and, speaking purely on a subjective level, I hate how they've graded the reflective Kryptonian suits in HDR.

But a MASSIVE thumbs up for putting the 70mm mix on there in 5.1, even if it is only 640 kb/s Dolby Digital.

I watched the 4k uhd again today and didn’t see the ‘ugly bands’ at the end when the sun rises. Was that in DV? I watched it in HDR10 as my tv doesn’t do DV.

[Geoff D]

HDR10, DV, doesn't matter. They're there.

But I watched it again about a week after that post you quoted and came away a bit happier with the presentation in general: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...5#post15983915

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Bourne1886

I watched the 4k uhd again today and didn’t see the ‘ugly bands’ at the end when the sun rises. Was that in DV? I watched it in HDR10 as my tv doesn’t do DV.

Sometimes it's not necessarily the source, but the display's internal processing and other factors.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

Sometimes it's not necessarily the source, but the display's internal processing and other factors.

It's not "banding" I'm talking about though, but whacking great vertical columns that appear over the image. It's not DSE either, a user with a completely different TV to mine posted a photo which showed the same effect in the exact same place. I'd give up a body part if someone with the disc could cap that final sunrise shot (pref. right at the start of it) so I could show people what I mean.

[Bourne1886]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

HDR10, DV, doesn't matter. They're there.

But I watched it again about a week after that post you quoted and came away a bit happier with the presentation in general: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...5#post15983915

Same here, I thought it looked better the second time around. I’m wondering why I’m not getting any of those bands. The sun looked a bit fuzzy and changed colour when it came up but apart from that the scene looked ‘normal’ to my eyes. Not that I’m complaining. I agree the white suits aren’t super bright aswell.

Maybe different tv’s and players react differently to discs. I don’t know.