Halloween 4K UHD (1978)

[persuazion]

Walmart had 2 copies...thats where I got mine from.

[SonSon III]

I’m very happy to see that some people have things working well.

May I give some hardware details & questions?

Display:
2017 LG 55” E7
Player:
Xbox One X

We all know I have the lack of saturated color like some do and some don’t. My disc has played well *most of the time* on the xbox. I’ve had multiple times where I paused and skipped through scenes and had it lock up with an error.

Anyway, I just noticed today that my display is displaying the HDR logo when the film starts, as well as if I manually check the input info. My display is not showing the DOLBY VISION logo like it always does for all other dolby vision content.

I have no idea why my disc is being flagged as HDR instead of Dolby vision, but I’m strongly suspect that it very easily could be the issue.

I’m running the most recent firmware on both my display as well as the most recent beta firmware on my xbox.

Edit: Quote from CNET July 2018:

[UPDATE: Since telling CNET that Dolby Vision would be coming to the Xbox One S and X 4K Blu-ray drives (as reported in the original story below), Microsoft is now no longer willing to confirm DV support for discs. It is now saying that it has 'nothing more to share at this time' beyond the fact that Dolby Vision is coming to the Xbox One X and S streaming services.

Given that this is a significant backtrack for AV fans, I've checked and double checked - but Microsoft really will no longer confirm its original statement.

My personal feeling is that Dolby Vision will come to Xbox 4K Blu-ray drives, but that Microsoft has got cold feet about talking formally about it until it's been able to test the system much more extensively . It's perhaps worth noting in this respect that the final word I got in my second response from Microsoft was this: "We are always looking at new ways to improve the Xbox experience but have nothing further to share at this time."

So, No Dolby Vision support for 4K discs on Xbox. Most likely the culprit. I assume that my disc being improperly detected as HDR instead of Dolby Vision could definitely cause an undesireable viewing experience.

Sans the mono audio issue, I will refrain from commenting further about the PQ of this disc until I’m viewing it as intended. My apologies for any confusion.

[SonSon III]

Take a look at Dolby Vision vs HDR:



Clearly they are quite different. So if a display is compatible with Dolby vision but is expecting HDR color saturation from a Dolby Vision disc with less color saturation but is displaying it in HDR-Mode and is expecting it to have HDR color saturation, we’ve probably got a big problem IMO. (That’s a mouthful)

In short, to me at least, looks like the dolby vision compatible display is expecting HDR color saturation from this Dolby Vision disc instead of native Dolby Vision color saturation when using this disc with the Xbox One as a player.

Comments? Opinions?

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by SonSon III

Take a look at Dolby Vision vs HDR:

[Show spoiler]

Clearly they are quite different. So if a display is expecting Dolby Vision color saturation but is displaying it in HDR expecting it to already have HDR color saturation, we’ve got a big problem IMO.

Comments? Opinions?

Hard to really make a fair comparison without comparing the exact same frame.

[ROSS.T.G.]

Not shocking that they look different lol

[Monarch_of_Media]

Originally Posted by kingdoxie

Picked it up at Target, had to ask them to get one out of the back. Asked why they aren't on display yet and the reply was something about no shelf space allocated for it yet...but they have space for 5 different versions of Solo and a big fat shipper up by the check-out

I'm going to assume that the eyeroll is at Target corporate and not the employees. They weren't making that up just to get you to go away, whomever made the set for this weeks releases didn't include Halloween (I think I heard that they put it on next weeks new releases.).

[SonSon III]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Hard to really make a fair comparison without comparing the exact same frame.

Screenshots from a USAToday article about HDR10 vs Dolby Vision of MadMax.

to our eyes, the streaming Dolby Vision version is the superior master of the movie, making subtler use of HDR (wide color gamut) enhancements to add realism to sand, dirt, and skin tones without the slightly burnt, over-emphasized look of the HDR10 version reflects (by comparison).

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usa...m/amp/88914196


Suffice it to say, HDR10 and Dolby Vision handle skintones differently.

[bbwiscfan]

Originally Posted by Monarch_of_Media

I'm going to assume that the eyeroll is at Target corporate and not the employees. They weren't making that up just to get you to go away, whomever made the set for this weeks releases didn't include Halloween (I think I heard that they put it on next weeks new releases.).

Also Solo gets the treatment over catalogue because it's a major release and much newer film and they will sell more; I remember Infinity War had a massive shipper stocked with so many copies it was nuts.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by SonSon III

Screenshots from a USAToday article about HDR10 vs Dolby Vision of MadMax.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usa...m/amp/88914196


Suffice it to say, HDR10 and Dolby Vision handle skintones differently.

Again, you are comparing different frames above.

[StingingVelvet]

The Dolby Vision difference is going to matter more on certain equipment. On a TV that does HDR very well the hdr10 encode should look pretty good usually. I watched this right before I left for vacation and had zero color problems. It looked just as rich and colorful as the Blu-ray version, actually more so in brighter scenes and sections of frame. It's definitely a great upgrade and I think like Goodfellas this separates weaker hdr10 displays from good ones. Though I thought 2017 OLEDs were good for hdr10 now, so I dunno why owners of those are complaining.

Anyway, disc looks stunning on my Samsung.

[SonSon III]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Again, you are comparing different frames above.

Ok, as I haven’t double dipped in 4K can you provide a better comparison?

[SonSon III]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

The Dolby Vision difference is going to matter more on certain equipment. On a TV that does HDR very well the hdr10 encode should look pretty good usually. I watched this right before I left for vacation and had zero color problems. It looked just as rich and colorful as the Blu-ray version, actually more so in brighter scenes and sections of frame. It's definitely a great upgrade and I think like Goodfellas this separates weaker hdr10 displays from good ones. Though I thought 2017 OLEDs were good for hdr10 now, so I dunno why owners of those are complaining.

Anyway, disc looks stunning on my Samsung.

I’m curious as to a Dolby Vision disc being incorrectly flagged and processed as HDR10 instead of Dolby Vision as intended.

[bradnoyes]

Originally Posted by SonSon III

I’m curious as to a Dolby Vision disc being incorrectly flagged and processed as HDR10 instead of Dolby Vision as intended.

You're using an X-bone, right? The disc isn't being incorrectly flagged as HDR. It's correctly flagged as HDR because your player doesn't support disc-based Dolby Vision content.

[SonSon III]

Originally Posted by bradnoyes

You're using an X-bone, right? The disc isn't being incorrectly flagged as HDR. It's correctly flagged as HDR because your player doesn't support disc-based Dolby Vision content.

So then you’re saying this isn’t the cause of the unsaturated colors during my viewing of The Halloween 4K disc compared to other 4K discs that don’t have an issue?

[y2jman]

despite that I had already order this and American psycho bullmoose yesterday got shipped today I still kindof wonder if today my stupid Walmart had put these movies above price tag or not meh

[bradnoyes]

Originally Posted by SonSon III

So then you’re saying this isn’t the cause of the unsaturated colors during my viewing of The Halloween 4K disc compared to other 4K discs that don’t have an issue?

Unless other people with your exact same setup are reporting the exact same issues, I think it's safe to say that's not the problem. Your Xbone is simply playing the disc the only way it knows how to play it. Without being able to see what you're seeing, I can't really say whether there is even a problem at all.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by SonSon III

So then you’re saying this isn’t the cause of the unsaturated colors during my viewing of The Halloween 4K disc compared to other 4K discs that don’t have an issue?

If your television does not have great nits, tone mapping or color volume it can result in a desaturated picture. Dolby vision would help with that, doing the tone mapping itself.

If you have a quality television then the answer could just be that you don't like the look of the movie.

[SonSon III]

Originally Posted by bradnoyes

Unless other people with your exact same setup are reporting the exact same issues, I think it's safe to say that's not the problem. Your Xbone is simply playing the disc the only way it knows how to play it. Without being able to see what you're seeing, I can't really say whether there is even a problem at all.

It’s simply not fathomable to me that exclusively for this movie that I need to crank the color settings way up beyond what any videophile would dare do for a retail disc viewing experience.

I guess that’s why Halloween is famous for color issues.

For the record, the 1999 THX DVD release originally disappointmented me at launch because I felt everything was way too artificially “blue” during night scenes.

If the color saturation is increased for this release on my setup, it seems not only much more faithful, but also doesn’t seem grey-washed. Skintones should look like skintones, plants should look like plants & jackolanterns should look like jackolanterns. Was filmed in spring California sunlight with nice panavision equipment.

[Cherokee Jack]

Originally Posted by y2jman

despite that I had already order this and American psycho bullmoose yesterday got shipped today I still kindof wonder if today my stupid Walmart had put these movies above price tag or not meh

[UFAlien]

Dolby Vision works kind of like the lossless audio codecs do in that there's the "core" HDR10 version, analogous to the lossy Dolby Digital or DTS track, and then extra Dolby Vision metadata on top of it. It's literally designed for players and displays incompatible with Dolby Vision to intentionally show it just as HDR10. That equipment literally cannot read the Dolby Vision metadata, so it's not like it would be interfering with the underlying HDR10 core.