Halloween 4K UHD (1978)

[bradnoyes]

For fun I'll try this disc out on my 'bone tonight and see how it goes. I was interested in seeing if it had the same flicker in dark scenes that I experienced on the Oppo, so I'll check out the colors as well.

[StingingVelvet]

On a 2016 OLED I'm sure the hdr10 encode will look worse.

[y2jman]

yeah if you go a few pages back since tues my Walmart had in 4k selection a row of the following American psycho punisher Halloween punisher warzone 4k's with a sale price named of movies but didn't put the movies there

I waited until 1:50 called back yesterday afternoon guy went into the back and asked around see if those movies were in any boxes said no

that's when I decided screw this order both movies bullmoose yesterday which got shipped today prob get them sat or mon

but I still wonder if I would had waited today not order bullmoose if they had finally put them on shelf or not, but I dread to call them back what done is done then again they prob haven't still meh

for the record I bet next tues they will put them on shelf btw

[bradnoyes]

No doubt in my mind. But I'm up to do some science.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by SonSon III

Take a look at Dolby Vision vs HDR:



Clearly they are quite different. So if a display is compatible with Dolby vision but is expecting HDR color saturation from a Dolby Vision disc with less color saturation but is displaying it in HDR-Mode and is expecting it to have HDR color saturation, we’ve probably got a big problem IMO. (That’s a mouthful)

In short, to me at least, looks like the dolby vision compatible display is expecting HDR color saturation from this Dolby Vision disc instead of native Dolby Vision color saturation when using this disc with the Xbox One as a player.

Comments? Opinions?

Where's this major difference between the two pics, apart from the bottom one being a different frame with Max probably moving, hence the blurriness. Skin tones look virtually identical to me, and we don't know anything about how either of those picture modes wa calibrated, if at all.

BTW I've compared the HDR10 layer to the DV on several UHD discs and none of them display obvious differences in colour, but then I've got the correct 6500K colour temperature dialled in on both, so...

[kingdoxie]

Originally Posted by Monarch_of_Media

I'm going to assume that the eyeroll is at Target corporate and not the employees. They weren't making that up just to get you to go away, whomever made the set for this weeks releases didn't include Halloween (I think I heard that they put it on next weeks new releases.).

Not blaming the serfs since this is a widespread happening, the corporate wonks in charge of the kingdom are definitely to blame. The clerk/employee/associate/team member or whatever bland title they are using this week was very helpful and I was in and out in 5 minutes.

[SonSon III]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Where's this major difference between the two pics, apart from the bottom one being a different frame with Max probably moving, hence the blurriness. Skin tones look virtually identical to me, and we don't know anything about how either of those picture modes wa calibrated, if at all.

BTW I've compared the HDR10 layer to the DV on several UHD discs and none of them display obvious differences in colour, but then I've got the correct 6500K colour temperature dialled in on both, so...

In the above pics, while slightly different frames, you may need to give yourself a visual color check if you cannot tell the difference between those obvious orangey-reds.

http://xritephoto.com/cool-tools

[TheSweetieMan]

I won't be able to check this out until the weekend. But I'm super pumped.

Not worried one iota about the possibility of 'muted' colors. If anything, I would think it would be closer to a 'fall' aesthetic, compared to what we got on the 35th anniversary disc; which admittedly looks amazing, but has more of a summer 'feel' to the film.

Very excited to check it out. Especially since Lionsgate seems to be on the right path with their catalog releases right now (American Psycho looked amazing).

[brian9229]

I trust that comparison as far as I can throw it. We know zilch of the no doubt, many possible, and obvious, variables. TV, settings, players...etc.

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by SonSon III

In the above pics, while slightly different frames, you may need to give yourself a visual color check if you cannot tell the difference between those obvious orangey-reds.

http://xritephoto.com/cool-tools

I can also see a huge color change. This is similar to what I see on my C8 in real life. I mentioned that in the Blade Runner 2049 thread (iTunes DV versus HDR10 physical disc) and got pooped on.

For example, the metal on his face in the DV pic looks green, in HDR10 pic looks blue. Some eyes can differentiate more colors.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by SonSon III

In the above pics, while slightly different frames, you may need to give yourself a visual color check if you cannot tell the difference between those obvious orangey-reds.

http://xritephoto.com/cool-tools

Bottom one looks slightly more saturated with the orange, the colour cast on the chains is also a touch bluer while the top is slightly greenier. Massive, life altering difference? Nooooope.

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Bottom one looks slightly more saturated with the orange, the colour cast on the chains is also a touch bluer while the top is slightly greenier. Massive, life altering difference? Nooooope.

To my eyes it’s significant. And your description is exactly what I see. Bottom line, there is a color difference. It’s not just tone mapping.

[Geoff D]

As I said, without knowing how either of those modes were actually calibrated to the correct colour temperature, if at all, then the photos mean bupkis.

Even so, tone mapping can absolutely play a part because it's about mapping the volume of the image inclusive of colour, not just the nits. Better representation of colour volume will absolutely come with better tone mapping. But again, there are too many variables at play here (calibration of modes, exposure of photos) for someone to announce that DV is amazingly better when they haven't even seen it in action on a UHD disc yet and are taking an online article - those known bastions of informed, unbiased fact - as gospel.

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

As I said, without knowing how either of those modes were actually calibrated to the correct colour temperature, if at all, then the photos mean bupkis.

It’s not just these particular photos. I see this in real life on virtually all DV movies. It’s something I mentioned in other threads before these pictures were posted. I think DV is superior to HDR10.

[Geoff D]

And I don't see those kinds of differences between HDR10 and DV at all....but that's what happens when you can accurately track an HDR image out to ~2000 nits of peak brightness before needing to compress the colour volume, the colour isn't suffering for it and so DV adds the final touch of gloss to my viewing (along with occasional grey bars ) rather than being a religious experience. But then this is why DV - even of the forced variety - is such a boon for watching on an LG OLED as it bypasses the middling HDR10 mapping.

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

And I don't see those kinds of differences between HDR10 and DV at all....but that's what happens when you can accurately track an HDR image out to ~2000 nits of peak brightness before needing to compress the colour volume, the colour isn't suffering for it and so DV adds the final touch of gloss to my viewing (along with occasional grey bars ) rather than being a religious experience. But then this is why DV - even of the forced variety - is such a boon for watching on an LG OLED as it bypasses the middling HDR10 mapping.

Mr. Geoff, this is not 2016 anymore. My 2018 C8 maps HDR10 and DV better than any other TV on the market. Reviews are pretty much unanimous. Previous to that, I was an A1E owner and saw a similar difference between HDR10 and DV. That ZD9 is getting long in the tooth.

[Geoff D]

Sonys are known for prioritising APL over preserving the wider range of an image so again, the differences you were perceiving are not so surprising when one takes into account the 600/700 nit peak of an A1E and how much of the range the Sony was throwing away on top of that. The ZD9 is doing the same of course, but when it can stretch out to 2000 nits then it throws away a little less than the OLED, you know? The ZD9's got a couple of years on the clock but it's still one of the very best HDR TVs on the market today. And hey, at least mine's calibrated so I know exactly what it's doing in the various modes.

[Black Sabbath]

Found a lone copy at my Best Buy today and price matched Target. No slip though unfortunately.

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Sonys are known for prioritising APL over preserving the wider range of an image so again, the differences you were perceiving are not so surprising when one takes into account the 600/700 nit peak of an A1E and how much of the range the Sony was throwing away on top of that. The ZD9 is doing the same of course, but when it can stretch out to 2000 nits then it throws away a little less than the OLED, you know? The ZD9's got a couple of years on the clock but it's still one of the very best HDR TVs on the market today. And hey, at least mine's calibrated so I know exactly what it's doing in the various modes.

I think it’s safe to assume that most members participating in technical discussions have their TVs calibrated. Can yours do CalMAM Autocal?

[bradnoyes]

Meanwhile...

So I did briefly play this on my Xbone X in HDR10 and I still got that light flickering around the edges in dark scenes, so it just seems to be something that happens on my TV regardless as it's not isolated to Dolby Vision or the Oppo. Luckily it's not a huge deal, but it's odd. Also, the colors were fine so I'm not sure what to say to the member who was reporting color issues on their Xbone playback earlier.