Halloween 4K UHD (1978)

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Ruined

Ive also seen sites reviewing the 4K UHD stating that the video was "derived from the 35th anniversary restoration" but no lead to where they go that info.

Probably doing exactly what other people are doing, they're assuming it's the same transfer.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Probably doing exactly what other people are doing, they're assuming it's the same transfer.

It might not be but it does look quite similar in many ways which is why many might have assumed that.

[Bates_Motel]

Originally Posted by Ruined

Ive also seen sites reviewing the 4K UHD stating that the video was "derived from the 35th anniversary restoration" but no lead to where they go that info.

That's because it is. The 35th blu was a 4k negative scan supervised by Cundey, so why would they do an entirely new scan and grading when they just did one? There's zero speculation they would do a complete neg scan and complete color grade at anything other than 4K just a couple of years ago, with the knowledge they would eventually release it in 4K.

[Brian81]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Probably doing exactly what other people are doing, they're assuming it's the same transfer.

It looks like it, that is why... Usually separate restorations dont look nearly identical

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Bates_Motel

That's because it is. The 35th blu was a 4k negative scan supervised by Cundey, so why would they do an entirely new scan and grading when they just did one? There's zero speculation they would do a complete neg scan and complete color grade at anything other than 4K just a couple of years ago, with the knowledge they would eventually release it in 4K.

Just a couple of years ago? Wut? 2013 was a while back, well before any 4K format was finalised, and even Sony weren't doing everything in 4K back then, having seen the leaked 4K scan list from the hack. They were scanning everything in 4K but not finishing everything in 4K, so when it comes to Anchor Bay and Halloween I wouldn't assume anything about what the 35th workflow entailed, particularly as they couldn't even locate the correct mono track. We know they used the camera negative, we know that Cundey & Carpenter approved it but, again, I've never seen any confirmation apart from internet speculation that the 35th was finished out to 4K. The back of the 35th steelbook even said "all-new HD transfer".

Is the 4K restoration the exact same master? Nah. Could they have re-used the raw scans from the 35th, if they had been archived? Maybe. If they had started with those from the ground up in 4K space then that would certainly count as a "new 4K restoration" and not an "upscale" as some people have so blithely assumed. I've already made note of the fact that there's printed-in dirt in some of the location titles on the 4K transfer that were erased for the 35th but are now back again, and the two sets of title sequences have very different geometry, along with the slight overall change in geometry for the rest of the movie.

[Fat Phil]

Originally Posted by KubrickKurasawa

"It's an easy pass. A hair slightly better than 35th, but no mono. "

I agree it's an easy pass unless you have the DVD and find it on a low price or Black Friday.

[Show spoiler]HALLOWEEN (1978) 4K Blu-ray Unboxing + Review - YouTube

Aww come on, man. That guy's video is flat out moronic. To save anyone else the trouble of watching it, he says "It is super grainy, of course, 'cause it's an older movie so I definitely recommend if your TV has the capabilities, to turn the noise reduction all the way up"


That's pure gold.

[Geoff D]

In case people weren't aware, here are the titles again (open in two pages and tab between them):

[Show spoiler]
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UHD

Originally Posted by Fat Phil

Aww come on, man. That guy's video is flat out moronic. To save anyone else the trouble of watching it, he says "It is super grainy, of course, 'cause it's an older movie so I definitely recommend if your TV has the capabilities, to turn the noise reduction all the way up"


That's pure gold.

Most of the video reviews & comparisons that people post are flat-out moronic, I save myself time and don't watch them on general principle.

[Fat Phil]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Most of the video reviews & comparisons that people post are flat-out moronic, I save myself time and don't watch them on general principle.

I can seldom resist a little skip through those videos. It's a sickness.

[Geoff D]

I can dig it, it's like watching a car crash. You just can't tear your eyes away from the disaster unfolding in front of you.

[LoSouL]

It was already at a low price on day 1. Day 0 even.

[Bourne1886]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Just a couple of years ago? Wut? 2013 was a while back, well before any 4K format was finalised, and even Sony weren't doing everything in 4K back then, having seen the leaked 4K scan list from the hack. They were scanning everything in 4K but not finishing everything in 4K, so when it comes to Anchor Bay and Halloween I wouldn't assume anything about what the 35th workflow entailed, particularly as they couldn't even locate the correct mono track. We know they used the camera negative, we know that Cundey & Carpenter approved it but, again, I've never seen any confirmation apart from internet speculation that the 35th was finished out to 4K. The back of the 35th steelbook even said "all-new HD transfer".

Is the 4K restoration the exact same master? Nah. Could they have re-used the raw scans from the 35th, if they had been archived? Maybe. If they had started with those from the ground up in 4K space then that would certainly count as a "new 4K restoration" and not an "upscale" as some people have so blithely assumed. I've already made note of the fact that there's printed-in dirt in some of the location titles on the 4K transfer that were erased for the 35th but are now back again, and the two sets of title sequences have very different geometry, along with the slight overall change in geometry for the rest of the movie.

"The back of the 35th steelbook even said "all-new HD transfer".

I know that’s what I said!

[Geoff D]

I know, I said it because you said it!

[Brian81]

I thought it was a 2K scan and even mentioned that a few times here before, but admitted my error when I dug that release out and noticed 'HD'. But I really wonder now. To be honest, claiming an 'HD master' in 2013 stands out like a sore thumb. Everything claimed either 2K or 4K at that point. The last time I really read packaging that mentioned 'HD' rather than '2K' were on DVD releases in the early '00s...

Still thinking it is from same restoration. It looks too similar.if there is print damage visible that isnt on the BD, then perhaps it is like Evil Dead where it looks to be from same scan but without later touch ups...


Slight stretching doesnt hold much water to me because that happens all the time. T2 stretching on some releases but not others, for example.

[Ruined]

I noticed in a couple of caps the 4k version has some chroma issues, maybe due to contrast boosting? Take a lpok all around Loomis there is all sorts of prominent red and blue color fringing or CA that is minimal or absent in the 35th blu:
https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=1&x...8&l=0&i=7&go=1

Its around his body, on the pavement around his shadow, on the car next to him in various spots, the tree etc


Same deal here with upper left of window:
https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=1&x...7&l=0&i=6&go=1

[weberrygt]

Ordered mine from Amazon. Hoping for that nice slip hahahah. But seriously was tempted for a while but finally pulled the trigger (knife)..

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Ruined

I noticed in a couple of caps the 4k version has some chroma issues, maybe due to contrast boosting? Take a lpok all around Loomis there is all sorts of prominent red and blue color fringing or CA that is minimal or absent in the 35th blu:
https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=1&x...8&l=0&i=7&go=1

Its around his body, on the pavement around his shadow, on the car next to him in various spots, the tree etc


Same deal here with upper left of window:
https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=1&x...7&l=0&i=6&go=1

These are things SDR converted caps cannot be relied upon at all to show properly.

At some point you guys are just going to have to accept that people who have good HDR displays and a good eye think this disc is a nice upgrade.

[JohnCarpenterFan]

Originally Posted by Ruined

I noticed in a couple of caps the 4k version has some chroma issues, maybe due to contrast boosting? Take a lpok all around Loomis there is all sorts of prominent red and blue color fringing or CA that is minimal or absent in the 35th blu:
https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=1&x...8&l=0&i=7&go=1

Its around his body, on the pavement around his shadow, on the car next to him in various spots, the tree etc


Same deal here with upper left of window:
https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=1&x...7&l=0&i=6&go=1

That's because of chromatic aberration, not some digital defect.

It's there in all previous editions, you may only be seeing it now because the superior clarity and detail of the UHD makes it more noticeable.

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Never seen any confirmation the 35th was done in 4K.

It coincided with a release of the first DCP of the movie touted as 4k at the time. I do remember it was given very limited release with 4k being mentioned and thinking at the time, well there's our answer.

Never heard 2k mentioned in relation to it at the time.

However I also remember some commentators at the time saying the DCP they saw turned out to be a disappointment and that it didn't seem as big an upgrade as the blu ray did.

[steve1971]

The wife and I watched for the first time The Halloween 4K Blu ray and this is what I came away with. As far as PQ is concerned? I think it was very good and I liked how it looked natural and not over blown. Is it better then the 35th Anniversary Edition? In my humble opinion yes. As for the audio? I had no issues with it but I didnt have any issues with the audio on the 35th Anniversary Edition either so. Is this the definitive and best version of the original classic ever? Its a tie between this and the 35th Anniversary Edition in my opinion. You cant go wrong with either one honestly. Now will I double dip again if they re-release it saying it's better then the 4K or 35th Anni disc? Nope! As far as Halloween is concerned I'm done. My 4K copy is it. That being said I enjoyed what I saw and heard with the new 4K release.

[HeavyHitter]

I felt the UHD BD was an improvement over the 35th ann BD. A bit better detail, grain, and color rendition. With that said, if this disc had turned out to be problematic or if I were stuck on the original mono, I would lose no sleep over the 35th ann BD. However, I had no problem with the UHD BD audio.