Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom 4K UHD (2018)

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by levcore

Definitely a great looking 4K disc, I found the 3D really nice too. I do think this is a pretty terrible movie but it's still watchable. I just wish its characters and scenarios weren't so cartoonish. The villains were just awful.

Wasn’t too impressed with the 3D on this one. Big step down after how good World’s was.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

Wasn’t too impressed with the 3D on this one. Big step down after how good World’s was.

Well it has amazing HDR and such, so I guess it's one of the few cases where no matter which tech you prefer the UHD is the obvious choice then.

[imsounoriginal]

Yeah I still need to spin the UHD but I'm sure it's the superior version.

[avs commenter]

Top is DV, bottom is HDR10

[levcore]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

Wasn’t too impressed with the 3D on this one. Big step down after how good World’s was.

I really like the 3D but i agree that JW has better 3D.

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

Wasn’t too impressed with the 3D on this one. Big step down after how good World’s was.

I saw this one in both IMAX 2D and 3D and actually liked the 2D one better in this case.

[nick4Knight]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

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Top is DV, bottom is HDR10

What's your total signal chain? Sorry I forget if you've said before...

Even though just SDR capture it looks so much more washed out on the HDR10 base layer. I have had no impulse yet to turn DV off in my Panasonic 820 and test if I get similar difference in contrast like that.

But Fallen Kindgom so far is one of my favourite DV discs in my collection. For sure.

[avs commenter]

Originally Posted by nick4Knight

What's your total signal chain? Sorry I forget if you've said before...

Even though just SDR capture it looks so much more washed out on the HDR10 base layer. I have had no impulse yet to turn DV off in my Panasonic 820 and test if I get similar difference in contrast like that.

But Fallen Kindgom so far is one of my favourite DV discs in my collection. For sure.

Sony x700 with Vizio P 2018.

The HDR10 base is more vivid and bolder colors but you definitely lose details compared to DV version

[trekky76]

There should not be such difference between HDR10 and DV. Something is off, either hardware or in settings.

[avs commenter]

Only thing I did was toggle DV on/off

[Vangeli]

HDR10 picture mode if default may have slightly boosted color or even just a different screen temp.

[ROSS.T.G.]

The DV looks more balanced with more detail.

[nick4Knight]

[Again] I still didn't toggle off when today finishing off a previous partial viewing (last month) to see the difference, but being so happy with the grade, I see no reason to! It's a stunning picture quality -- And being FEL variant of DV that makes sense.

[Geoff D]

Challenge accepted

DV



HDR10



(NOT that any particular aspect of these images should be used to compare and contrast against how it looks on avs' TV, the camera is playing its own tricks re: colour, density etc, just look at how closely aligned both images are in terms of their relative colour, density etc)

[Castor18]

They look practically (and surprisingly) identical, wouldn't it be expected a HDR10 warmer push considering the particular palette?

[nick4Knight]

They don't look identical to me. Geoff's setup looks more closely comparable than the previous one. But there is still a "blown out" look to the lava in HDR10 where the DV looks more 'focused', and I'm sure that is even more striking in person than SDR displays.

[Geoff D]

Well spotted n4, but I'll apply the caveat that the HDR10 is slightly brighter than the DV which is why the camera - set to identical exposure settings so as not to shift how colour and density appears from shot to shot - is slightly blowing out the highlights, in person they look identical.

Originally Posted by Castor18

They look practically (and surprisingly) identical, wouldn't it be expected a HDR10 warmer push considering the particular palette?

Why? HDR10 and DV use the same ST.2084 transfer function, same D65 White point, same P3 primaries. Not that there couldn't yet be differences between the full DV rebuild and the HDR10 layer depending on how the trim pass was done, I just don't grasp why the HDR10 would be assumed to be cooler/warmer/whatever.

[Castor18]

Dolby Vision is perceived (in some cases) as a more refined process to boost colors and highlight elements with proprietary algorithms. Apparently HDR10 allows more freedom to apply color boost and highlights per each manufacturers specs.
In the screencap comparison made by Avscommenter, seems imho that HDR10 has boosted colors more liberally than DV, therefore producing a more balanced image in DV. You are correct about warmer/cooler difference between them, which may or may not be there, but boosted color applied liberally on lava elements might look warmer in a diffused sort of way.
Both process look great and I agree in many case might yield to very similar results. Will be interesting when HLG is eventually implemented, how will compare to DV and HDR10.

[Geoff D]

Hmm, not sure I agree with those perceptions as they play into very old-fashioned ideas about what these formats actually do. As Vangeli said, a lot of what some people perceive to be differences between the two are simply variations in display settings between the two viewing modes. The colour temperature and white balance on my set is the same between DV and HDR10 for example, having been calibrated for D65 white point using a colorimeter and measuring software.

At its core, with the grading for both the DV (and that's if it has a full enhancement layer to begin with, as the minimum layer is basically just HDR10 with dynamic metadata) and the HDR10 both being equal, then the only differences in outright image quality are going to come down to the tone mapping: DV having its content-derived remapping and HDR10 running the wild wild west of whatever methodology the display device and/or player (HDR Optimiser from Panasonic) chooses to apply.

If you have the Spears & Munsil UHD Benchmark you can compare the same montage in DV, HDR10, HDR10+ and HLG. Unsurprisingly, there isn't a major difference across the three that I can personally compare on the ZD9 (DV, regular HDR10, HLG) aside from the actual tone mapping itself.

[Jumpman]

Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

The DV looks more balanced with more detail.

This has been my experience with all DV’s vs their HDR10 counterpart.