Superman: The Movie 4K UHD (1978) - Page 46 - Blu-ray Forum

captainsolo · 09-28-2018, 01:26 AM

Stoked this is finally happening but I have some caveats:
-Please, please,please fix the color timing issues that were on the newer masters and don't introduce new ones with the HDR grade (and the same goes for both Burton Batmans for their 4K releases whenever that happens.)
-All three original theatrically shown audio mixes should be represented. The Dolby Stereo 2.0 that is on the later releases and what most people heard that is audibly underwhelming and has little to no surround information other than bleed through-but it is original and should be maintained. The 70mm Dolby should be far better but few ever heard it. I'm pretty sure this was the source of the far superior Laserdisc audio mix I adore with the full mono to stereo opening title transition. The new Atmos mix is very likely done from the 70mm source and the lossy 5.1 is probably the SE mix with the new effects as they had already cut it to sync with the theatrical cut for DVD.
It'd be nice to have the rare mono mix too which may include differences.

I'm glad they are being historically accurate by going with the TC again as I think the SE was a step backwards-however it has been so widely available that I don't see why they could not scan the additional elements and branch a SE recreation in 4K. We're only talking about roughly ten minutes of material.

So if we can at least get proper color with no teal infusion, and the original 70mm track untouched in an Atmos container then things will at least be pretty good. One could sync the 2.0 from the BD release for the Dolby Stereo if inclined....
But of course that would be too easy. You know there's going to be a technical issue somewheres...it always happens with this film on video.

Lastly, while the cover is nice why can't we stick with the original image form the poster. Why must everything be modernized? Here it's especially distracting because the central original image has been transposed to a modern city backdrop.

captainsolo · 09-28-2018, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

Is he that fella who literally has cinema speakers and processors hooked up to his LD player and CRT TV? Bless him.

It does sound like the fellow from the LD forums with the incredible amount of cinema gear inside a HT. Myself and others have kinda given up but wonder if he's ok.

guachi · 09-28-2018, 01:35 AM

So much strife and argumentation!

Come now. The only negative things I want to hear about Superman are that it's being restored from a camera negative.

PeterTHX · 09-28-2018, 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by captainsolo

The Dolby Stereo 2.0 that is on the later releases and what most people heard that is audibly underwhelming and has little to no surround information other than bleed through-but it is original and should be maintained

Truthfully probably most people saw it in mono.

gkolb · 09-28-2018, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Truthfully probably most people saw it in mono.

I think I heard it in mono.

captainsolo · 09-28-2018, 02:44 AM

Most prints I've seen when they come up for sale are stereo, and only a few are mono so it's very likely the mix was designed to be mono compatible.
It certainly sounds like it.

Blu-21 · 09-28-2018, 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by captainsolo

It does sound like the fellow from the LD forums with the incredible amount of cinema gear inside a HT. Myself and others have kinda given up but wonder if he's ok.

Not sure if I'm allowed to post links but if this is the person you're talking about than he is anything expect ok.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaF...Vbx3g/featured

Vilya · 09-28-2018, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Blu-21

Not sure if I'm allowed to post links but if this is the person you're talking about than he is anything expect ok.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaF...Vbx3g/featured

You are correct.

Connu comme chat bleu ici.

Agent Kay · 09-28-2018, 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by captainsolo

It does sound like the fellow from the LD forums with the incredible amount of cinema gear inside a HT. Myself and others have kinda given up but wonder if he's ok.

Andy? Yep he threatened me and called me a million things.
He is loopy

Geoff D · 09-28-2018, 10:40 AM

Oh yeah, that's him alright, the infamous Andysu. Lol at the 49 subscribers though

Matt Murdock · 09-28-2018, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blu-21

Not sure if I'm allowed to post links but if this is the person you're talking about than he is anything expect ok.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaF...Vbx3g/featured

I shouldn't have clicked that.

dallywhitty · 09-28-2018, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blu-21

Not sure if I'm allowed to post links but if this is the person you're talking about than he is anything expect ok.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaF...Vbx3g/featured

How have I never discovered this channel before? It is AMAZING.

EDIT: Okay, I just watched a cat take a shit on a copy of The Force Awakens, and now I'm questioning what I'm doing with my life.

EDIT II: He's throwing Blade Runner 2049 in the cat litter. Why!?

fighthefutureofhd · 09-28-2018, 06:13 PM

DO NOT look at it while eating lunch. This dude has some unhealthy obsession with kitty litter. There is a poster in a mental health clinic somewhere showing a normal looking dude that says this is you on your medication and a picture of this dude that says this is you not on your medication. Makes we want to work on the street for extra money so I can afford to get back on meds. I DO NOT want to end up like that.

Dailyan · 09-28-2018, 06:22 PM

bradnoyes · 09-28-2018, 06:25 PM

He must be infected by that cat feces parasite or something.

fighthefutureofhd · 09-28-2018, 06:27 PM

He put the MEN in mental.

Indelible · 09-28-2018, 09:29 PM

Have/had the VHS version. Got it when I was 3 and played it a million times. Definitely buying this on release.

ltb2.0 · 09-29-2018, 01:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

How have I never discovered this channel before? It is AMAZING.

EDIT: Okay, I just watched a cat take a shit on a copy of The Force Awakens, and now I'm questioning what I'm doing with my life.

EDIT II: He's throwing Blade Runner 2049 in the cat litter. Why!?

rockin · 09-29-2018, 01:12 PM

I remember chatting to Andy on the OT forum a few times in the past (around 2010) and he seemed quite knowledgeable about all the different audio mixes, and was a little intense but seemed an OK chap.

It's sad that his mental health appears to have declined since then, I'm not not sure what his circumstances are, but I hope he is able to get the help he needs.

Regarding the original laser disc, it really looks and sounds horrible now, I have re-visited it a few times. The original audio 2.0 mix on the theatrical dvd some years back wasn't much better, and so far the best I've heard the original mix sound recently is on the theatrical blu ray, which is superior because it has a higher bit rate. I'd love to hear the mix on this new UHD disc though.

Agent Kay · 09-29-2018, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

How have I never discovered this channel before? It is AMAZING.

EDIT: Okay, I just watched a cat take a shit on a copy of The Force Awakens, and now I'm questioning what I'm doing with my life.

EDIT II: He's throwing Blade Runner 2049 in the cat litter. Why!?

He used to be fully against dts like others here, now he is fully against atmos

09-28-2018, 01:26 AM	#901
captainsolo Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jan 2011 4K collection:155 Blu-ray collection:1268 DVD collection:353 Blu-ray reviews:3 Trading Score:19	Stoked this is finally happening but I have some caveats: -Please, please,please fix the color timing issues that were on the newer masters and don't introduce new ones with the HDR grade (and the same goes for both Burton Batmans for their 4K releases whenever that happens.) -All three original theatrically shown audio mixes should be represented. The Dolby Stereo 2.0 that is on the later releases and what most people heard that is audibly underwhelming and has little to no surround information other than bleed through-but it is original and should be maintained. The 70mm Dolby should be far better but few ever heard it. I'm pretty sure this was the source of the far superior Laserdisc audio mix I adore with the full mono to stereo opening title transition. The new Atmos mix is very likely done from the 70mm source and the lossy 5.1 is probably the SE mix with the new effects as they had already cut it to sync with the theatrical cut for DVD. It'd be nice to have the rare mono mix too which may include differences. I'm glad they are being historically accurate by going with the TC again as I think the SE was a step backwards-however it has been so widely available that I don't see why they could not scan the additional elements and branch a SE recreation in 4K. We're only talking about roughly ten minutes of material. So if we can at least get proper color with no teal infusion, and the original 70mm track untouched in an Atmos container then things will at least be pretty good. One could sync the 2.0 from the BD release for the Dolby Stereo if inclined.... But of course that would be too easy. You know there's going to be a technical issue somewheres...it always happens with this film on video. Lastly, while the cover is nice why can't we stick with the original image form the poster. Why must everything be modernized? Here it's especially distracting because the central original image has been transposed to a modern city backdrop.

09-28-2018, 01:35 AM	#903
guachi Expert Member Member since:Oct 2017 4K collection:375 Blu-ray collection:1110 DVD collection:653 Blu-ray reviews:2	So much strife and argumentation! Come now. The only negative things I want to hear about Superman are that it's being restored from a camera negative.

09-28-2018, 02:44 AM	#906
captainsolo Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jan 2011 4K collection:155 Blu-ray collection:1268 DVD collection:353 Blu-ray reviews:3 Trading Score:19	Most prints I've seen when they come up for sale are stereo, and only a few are mono so it's very likely the mix was designed to be mono compatible. It certainly sounds like it.

09-28-2018, 10:40 AM	#910
Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1348 Blu-ray collection:2525 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	Oh yeah, that's him alright, the infamous Andysu. Lol at the 49 subscribers though

09-28-2018, 06:13 PM	#913
fighthefutureofhd Blu-ray Baron Member since:Jun 2008 Location:Dry County	DO NOT look at it while eating lunch. This dude has some unhealthy obsession with kitty litter. There is a poster in a mental health clinic somewhere showing a normal looking dude that says this is you on your medication and a picture of this dude that says this is you not on your medication. Makes we want to work on the street for extra money so I can afford to get back on meds. I DO NOT want to end up like that.

09-28-2018, 06:22 PM	#914
Dailyan Blu-ray Baron Top contributor Member since:Feb 2015 Location:Beyond the Blue Horizon 4K collection:198 Blu-ray collection:2251 DVD collection:197 Blu-ray reviews: 58 Trading Score:56

09-28-2018, 06:25 PM	#915
bradnoyes Blu-ray Knight Member since:Dec 2016 4K collection:778 Blu-ray collection:819 Trading Score:255	He must be infected by that cat feces parasite or something.

09-28-2018, 06:27 PM	#916
fighthefutureofhd Blu-ray Baron Member since:Jun 2008 Location:Dry County	He put the MEN in mental.

09-28-2018, 09:29 PM	#917
Indelible Active Member Member since:Sep 2018 Location:SoCal Trading Score:150	Have/had the VHS version. Got it when I was 3 and played it a million times. Definitely buying this on release.

09-29-2018, 01:12 PM	#919
rockin Active Member Member since:Sep 2010 Blu-ray collection:240	I remember chatting to Andy on the OT forum a few times in the past (around 2010) and he seemed quite knowledgeable about all the different audio mixes, and was a little intense but seemed an OK chap. It's sad that his mental health appears to have declined since then, I'm not not sure what his circumstances are, but I hope he is able to get the help he needs. Regarding the original laser disc, it really looks and sounds horrible now, I have re-visited it a few times. The original audio 2.0 mix on the theatrical dvd some years back wasn't much better, and so far the best I've heard the original mix sound recently is on the theatrical blu ray, which is superior because it has a higher bit rate. I'd love to hear the mix on this new UHD disc though.

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