Justice League 4K UHD (2017)

[zodwriter]

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Originally Posted by meatball_84

The reason behind not releasing an extended at the same time is to double dip. Most people will by this one now, then 6 months from now will buy the other version. It's double the money for WB and is even more probable because of the low box office return. Milking 101.

Just like IT. The director said there would be a director's cut. Then WB only released the theatrical. After the release the director came out and confirmed that there would still be a director's cut in a few months.

If an extended Whedon cut gets released, it will likely have some Snyder scenes that have a lighter tone. Like the Alfred scene, I'll take that as a yes, and maybe the black suit. I would assume there would be some additional Whedon scenes too.

I think this situation has more in common with Donner's Superman II than initially believed. Richard Lester put everything he shot in the theatrical cut of Superman II. Anything deleted or used extended for TV versions and stuff was all Donner material. In the case of Justice League, Joss Whedon had a big problem! Henry Cavill's mustache! Superman's role in Justice League was heavily reduced and we can tell every single Superman scene that Whedon re-shot because of that. Hell Whedon even managed to mess up that beautiful cornfield scene between Clark and Lois. The godawful wigs Cavill, Godot and Affleck had to wear for the re-shoots mean that any additional Whedon material would be plagued with the same issues people have been complaining about since the movie was put in theaters. Pickup shots and few transitions that's what WB kept saying Whedon was doing. The released deleted scenes make it very clear that Zack Snyder was indeed making things lighter than previous films while still giving us poignant and thought provoking scenes. I don't see any evidence to suggest that a Whedon extended cut of any kind is in the cards. If anything Joss has gone out of his way to distance himself from Justice League.

[meatball_84]

Originally Posted by zodwriter

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I think this situation has more in common with Donner's Superman II than initially believed. Richard Lester put everything he shot in the theatrical cut of Superman II. Anything deleted or used extended for TV versions and stuff was all Donner material. In the case of Justice League, Joss Whedon had a big problem! Henry Cavill's mustache! Superman's role in Justice League was heavily reduced and we can tell every single Superman scene that Whedon re-shot because of that. Hell Whedon even managed to mess up that beautiful cornfield scene between Clark and Lois. The godawful wigs Cavill, Godot and Affleck had to wear for the re-shoots mean that any additional Whedon material would be plagued with the same issues people have been complaining about since the movie was put in theaters. Pickup shots and few transitions that's what WB kept saying Whedon was doing. The released deleted scenes make it very clear that Zack Snyder was indeed making things lighter than previous films while still giving us poignant and thought provoking scenes. I don't see any evidence to suggest that a Whedon extended cut of any kind is in the cards. If anything Joss has gone out of his way to distance himself from Justice League.

He's far away. I would assume most scenes in an extended cut would be scenes like the Superman ones released. These were scenes that fit the new tone, but ultimately weren't necessary to explain Superman getting to Russia. To me they are important scenes that give the movie heart. But when the studio says cut more, it's like triage. Only save what you need for the movie to make sense, cut the rest. 2hrs is a joke

[McCrutchy]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Alexander's most recent "Ultimate" cut was delivered in 2014, hardly way back in the mists of time and a full seven years after the previous "Final" cut in 2007. There's still scope for this stuff to be revisited if the audience keeps buying it and if it got something of a contentious (or at the very least editorially muddled) release in the first place.

To be honest, I think the reason that Alexander does "well" (as much as I love the cast and all the ladies in various states of undress) is as much because it's a Oliver Stone film, and because--at least until recently--Stone had a large amount of clout in the industry, and had delivered several other films which were big sellers, like Platoon and Wall Street, or in terms of WB titles (again, up until recently) JFK, or Natural Born Killers and to a lesser extent, Nixon (for Disney) and Any Given Sunday. Again, not all WB films, but it's hard to get bigger than Stone was in Hollywood up until about a decade ago, when he was still being tapped for (potentially) big awards and moneymaking projects like Alexander, World Trade Center and W., all of which were moderately or outright disappointing in these regards.

Very few directors have a run like Stone had from 1986-1999, and that probably bought him a ton of currency with major studios for several projects, some of which may exist in perpetuity, but most of which has probably run out. Barring some kind of Golden Years Renaissance for the man, I expect that Alexander will be the chronological last of his films to have attention lavished on it by a major studio.

[meatball_84]

So I just realized something while watching Justice League again.

The rumor is that the Darkseid Knightmare scene came via Cyborg when he was jacked into the Kryptonian Scout Ship. This shows the future where Superman is evil. After that they revive Superman, Cyborgs Armors defence system goes haywire and he says "it's been stronger since the interface, I can't control it. This is because the AI in the suit saw the future and recognizes Superman as a threat and fires on him against Cyborgs will.

It is all coming together!

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by meatball_84

I wasnt offended. I was just stating that massively different versions of movies get released. It's not common, but it is also not rare. WB is aware of the #ReleaseTheSnyderCut movement, and there is only one consideration to whether or not we get the movie. That is money. It's not confusion. It's not wanting to move on. It is can we make money. If their experts say they can afford to finish it and make a reasonable profit, then it will happen. If they say there is no money to be made, then it won't. But mark my words, there WILL be some form of extended edition. There most likely is a longer, finished cut from Whedon from before the 2hr mandate, and that is just money to be made

I got yah. I think we're both in agreement we just wanna see DC succeed to the degree marvel has that gets new people into the universe and expands its reach.

I agree though on the double dipping notion. That if there's a way to get people to buy 2,3,4 copies they'll do it lol.

[EbonDragon]

Originally Posted by supersix4

I got yah. I think we're both in agreement we just wanna see DC succeed to the degree marvel has that gets new people into the universe and expands its reach.

I agree though on the double dipping notion. That if there's a way to get people to buy 2,3,4 copies they'll do it lol.

If it was a certainty that double dipping would result in a Snyder Cut sooner than later, I’d happily double dip. Though I wonder, how many people would do this versus just waiting out for an eventual Snyder Cut without contributing to a double dip.

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by EbonDragon

If it was a certainty that double dipping would result in a Snyder Cut sooner than later, I’d happily double dip. Though I wonder, how many people would do this versus just waiting out for an eventual Snyder Cut without contributing to a double dip.

I waited on BvS for that extended cut version vs. the theatrical. I can't remember if that came out the same time the movie did though or it was after.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by supersix4

I waited on BvS for that extended cut version vs. the theatrical. I can't remember if that came out the same time the movie did though or it was after.

The extended BvS was rated R by the MPAA about a month before the theatrical version hit theaters and was widely reported at the time, but the extended cut itself didn't arrive until the home video release a few months later.

[meatball_84]

For those of us who really want the Snyder Cut. How much would you actually pay for it?

I am a freak. I would probably pay $100 for a fully finished, Snyder endorsed cut

[IronSoldier]

Originally Posted by meatball_84

For those of us who really want the Snyder Cut. How much would you actually pay for it?

I am a freak. I would probably pay $100 for a fully finished, Snyder endorsed cut

Any amount, heck even if I have to drive to Warner Bros studios here in the UK where they shot it for a midnight one off screening i'd so go whatever the cost

[brainofj72]

Originally Posted by meatball_84

For those of us who really want the Snyder Cut. How much would you actually pay for it?

I am a freak. I would probably pay $100 for a fully finished, Snyder endorsed cut

Yeah, I’d have no problem laying down that kind of coin for a Snyder cut.

[imsounoriginal]

I'd pay whatever it would cost to buy it on UHD.

[Geoff D]

If they bundled it with a UHD version of BvS that had the IMAX scenes then I'd pay a stupid amount of money for it.

[Skrazem]

Originally Posted by meatball_84

For those of us who really want the Snyder Cut. How much would you actually pay for it?

I am a freak. I would probably pay $100 for a fully finished, Snyder endorsed cut

$20 on UHD. It's not like my problem with Justice League was not enough Snyder but I'd be interested.

[meatball_84]

Originally Posted by Skrazem

$20 on UHD. It's not like my problem with Justice League was not enough Snyder but I'd be interested.

Fair enough.

[EbonDragon]

The extended Cut of BvS dropped at the same time the home release did. But that’s because as Geoff said, it was ready. It was basically the version that was supposed to be released theatrically before Warner’s panicked and asked for 30 minutes Cut before release. With JL it’s different so a delayed release is to be expected.

I’d be willing to pay up to $100. And hopefully it would get a boutique label steelbook release. So I could pay for expensive packaging.

[meatball_84]

Originally Posted by EbonDragon

The extended Cut of BvS dropped at the same time the home release did. But that’s because as Geoff said, it was ready. It was basically the version that was supposed to be released theatrically before Warner’s panicked and asked for 30 minutes Cut before release. With JL it’s different so a delayed release is to be expected.

I’d be willing to pay up to $100. And hopefully it would get a boutique label steelbook release. So I could pay for expensive packaging.

I'll take your steelbook and raise you a Mondo Trilogy release... I just got chills!

[EbonDragon]

Originally Posted by meatball_84

I'll take your steelbook and raise you a Mondo Trilogy release... I just got chills!

And they’re multiplying!

...because I got them too lol

[Bourne1886]

Originally Posted by meatball_84

Then why did they keep making new versions of Alexander, Watchmen, and Blade Runner? Or from other studios that had dud movies like Kingdom of Heaven or Troy?

I thought the extended version of KoH was terrific, a massive improvement on the theatrical version.

[Bourne1886]

Originally Posted by supersix4

Its fans who are dying to correct the mistakes hoping this would some how rectify the catastrophe when in the minds of the movie goers who aren't super fans its a failed attempt. Their best bet is to make solid movies and hope after a couple slow rebuilding base films they can give it another go when the stink of BvSJ, and JL wear off

You mean it’s too late for non super fans, they’ve watched it and that’s it. They’ll either like it or not. They won’t be bothered by extended cuts. Most members of public aren’t as interested in movies as we are on these forums. Super fans will always want that extended cut and will be willing to spend extra money. I for one think extended cuts can redeem a movie but I’m not sure if there’s money to be made for the studios. It’s more a niche thing. Kingdom of Heaven benefitted massively from the extended cut but I’m not sure you’re average movie goer would want to see it,buy it or even care.

For the fans it’s different.