Justice League 4K UHD (2017)

[supersix4]

Other than pleasing fans or making it some kind of cult following its still a dud thats the bottom line.

When they do another movie the dud will still be in everyones mind. The cut will only please hardcore fans, it'll do nothing to undo the damage to the brand thats been done for the past few years.

[legends of beyond]

Originally Posted by meatball_84

I guarantee you that an Extended cut is done. It would have been finished by Whedon before the 2hr Run Time mandate.

A Snyder Cut could take longer, but it is reasonable to assume it could be finished by San Diego Comic Con or soon after. Again I believe if it could be released by November to build anticipation for Aquaman.

A Snyder Cut COULD be finished, but not by Comic Con, and certainly won't happen due to the expenses required to complete such a task.

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by legends of beyond

A Snyder Cut COULD be finished, but not by Comic Con, and certainly won't happen due to the expenses required to complete such a task.

Its fans who are dying to correct the mistakes hoping this would some how rectify the catastrophe when in the minds of the movie goers who aren't super fans its a failed attempt. Their best bet is to make solid movies and hope after a couple slow rebuilding base films they can give it another go when the stink of BvSJ, and JL wear off

[vjo81]

I haven't made any decisions about buying the 4K version yet. I know that the movie got panned quite a bit and I was no fan of Batman vs Superman, but I have to admit that, on balance, I enjoyed Justice League. The villain was kind of meh but the relationships between the JL characters was good. I had no problem with the humor. Ezra Miller and Jason Momoa were very funny. Momoa has surprisingly good comic timing. Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman was much more of a leading character than she was in B vs S. Gal getting more screen time is OK with me. I really like Henry Cavill as Superman and having Amy Adams and the still lovely Diane Lane for support wasn't too shabby. I'll wait for some reviews of the 4K's video and audio quality. If they are high standard, I might take a flyer on it.

[meatball_84]

Originally Posted by supersix4

Its fans who are dying to correct the mistakes hoping this would some how rectify the catastrophe when in the minds of the movie goers who aren't super fans its a failed attempt. Their best bet is to make solid movies and hope after a couple slow rebuilding base films they can give it another go when the stink of BvSJ, and JL wear off

Then why did they keep making new versions of Alexander, Watchmen, and Blade Runner? Or from other studios that had dud movies like Kingdom of Heaven or Troy?

[legends of beyond]

Originally Posted by meatball_84

Then why did they keep making new versions of Alexander, Watchmen, and Blade Runner? Or from other studios that had dud movies like Kingdom of Heaven or Troy?

Simple: Home Video was bigger back then, especially after the surprise success of The Lord of the Rings. Nowdays, New versions of movies aren't as popular as they once were.

[Geoff D]

Alexander's most recent "Ultimate" cut was delivered in 2014, hardly way back in the mists of time and a full seven years after the previous "Final" cut in 2007. There's still scope for this stuff to be revisited if the audience keeps buying it and if it got something of a contentious (or at the very least editorially muddled) release in the first place.

[legends of beyond]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Alexander's most recent "Ultimate" cut was delivered in 2014, hardly way back in the mists of time and a full seven years after the previous "Final" cut in 2007. There's still scope for this stuff to be revisited if the audience keeps buying it and if it got something of a contentious (or at the very least editorially muddled) release in the first place.

Touche. I still don't think it'll happen, but I won't rule it out.

[Synchg]

Originally Posted by kurtis21

How about some

[Show spoiler]"Spoiler Tags"

BRO?!?!?!

I considered using the spoiler tag but if you didn't already know,

[Show spoiler] superman IS in the movie

[imsounoriginal]

Superman dies after Snoke hits him with Avada Kedavra and the Federation doesn't have the Ring of Power to save him.

[Deric2014]

Originally Posted by Canada

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=PFoP86v755k

Great video I really enjoyed it.

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Man, they have rinsed the shit out of Alexander but there's a reason why Warners keep returning to it, it's been an excellent seller for them and continues to do so. So if peoples boycott the impending release of JL then the chances of them releasing any kind of extended cut (be it Whedonesque or Snyder Vision) drop dramatically.

As I've said before, I'm not actively "boycotting" this release, I'm just at a point where I'm selective about what I'm going to buy, and I'm not going to buy something I just don't like. I've seen the movie three times and it got worse with each viewing, so I just don't see the point in purchasing something with no repeat value -- and that annoys me because of what it should have been -- just to contribute to the possible chance that it may urge WB to release a Snyder Cut. I gave enough with this movie already at the theater. I've never seen Alexander and that seems to have done alright with multiple releases on home video without my help, so I'm sure WB won't be missing any funding from me to make a difference. But if they do release a Snyder Cut or even an Extended Cut of some kind, I'm sure I'll be curious enough to buy that.

[xbs2034]

Originally Posted by meatball_84

Then why did they keep making new versions of Alexander, Watchmen, and Blade Runner? Or from other studios that had dud movies like Kingdom of Heaven or Troy?

Troy was from WB as well and was not a dud. It made half a billion in worldwide box office, a success for them (when you consider inflation and international expansion, fair to say it did better theatrically than JL).

Blade Runner only came about when a cut of the workprint leaked out and was played at some festivals to big acclaim, which created the idea of doing a director's cut. By the time of The Final Cut it had developed into a huge cult classic, so WB knew there was an audience there. Watchmen I also think was like BvS in that WB promised Snyder the longer cut for home after it was deemed too long for theatrical play nor could fit 15/70 IMAX, and that was in the initial home release (haven't seen the Ultimate Cut, but I believe it is just adding in the animated sequences already done for the stand alone title, very easy to do).

Anyway, the two most likely ways for WB to release a Snyder Cut are for JL to do very well on this home release, and for the fan requests to sustain, probably even after other DCU movies like Aquaman are released.

[Zimmy]

I just bought it from Vudu.
$30 and you get the UHD version to watch now and I hopefully can sell the code when they mail the physical disc in a month.

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by xbs2034

Troy was from WB as well and was not a dud. It made half a billion in worldwide box office, a success for them (when you consider inflation and international expansion, fair to say it did better theatrically than JL).

Blade Runner only came about when a cut of the workprint leaked out and was played at some festivals to big acclaim, which created the idea of doing a director's cut. By the time of The Final Cut it had developed into a huge cult classic, so WB knew there was an audience there. Watchmen I also think was like BvS in that WB promised Snyder the longer cut for home after it was deemed too long for theatrical play nor could fit 15/70 IMAX, and that was in the initial home release (haven't seen the Ultimate Cut, but I believe it is just adding in the animated sequences already done for the stand alone title, very easy to do).

Anyway, the two most likely ways for WB to release a Snyder Cut are for JL to do very well on this home release, and for the fan requests to sustain, probably even after other DCU movies like Aquaman are released.

Totally agree. Again I'm not hating so not sure why he got all defensive. Just saying that until DC stops delivering content like BvS: DJ and JL and has more movies like WW/MoS they'll continue to get blasted and ridiculed no matter how many cuts they squeeze into a steelbook for superfans to say online "see this cut is superior than insert other film franchise". Thats not gonna get joe avg. film goer to give JL2 a shot because he read the 3rd cut on disk 4 of the Blu-ray fixes a movie that bombed lol

Making movies for hardcore fans only goes so far. Hence why if deadpool had barely recouped its budget or bombed we'd never see another movie again, but with that insane crossover appeal where even non Marvel/comic fans loveeeeed it and it destroyed records with no 3D , No ImAx and an R rating, even Disney said if we buy fox we can find a place for deadpool.

Movies need to touch more than just your superfan.

I grew up loving both marvel and dc, and I have no individual dog in the fight... Personally I was looking forward to the amazing casting DC had assembled to kinda pick up where marvel is leaving things as more main characters depart after 10+ years making films. I thought now would be the time to be wowed by DC and maybe marvel had some off years with obscure characters like Ant-Man or the tv series that I generally didn't care for (aside from punisher and daredevil).... But nope within the first week of JL opening I knew another chance had been burned away by WB/DC

[nugget2016]

Originally Posted by supersix4

Totally agree. Again I'm not hating so not sure why he got all defensive. Just saying that until DC stops delivering content like BvS: DJ and JL and has more movies like WW/MoS they'll continue to get blasted and ridiculed no matter how many cuts they squeeze into a steelbook for superfans to say online "see this cut is superior than insert other film franchise". Thats not gonna get joe avg. film goer to give JL2 a shot because he read the 3rd cut on disk 4 of the Blu-ray fixes a movie that bombed lol

Making movies for hardcore fans only goes so far. Hence why if deadpool had barely recouped its budget or bombed we'd never see another movie again, but with that insane crossover appeal where even non Marvel/comic fans loveeeeed it and it destroyed records with no 3D , No ImAx and an R rating, even Disney said if we buy fox we can find a place for deadpool.

Movies need to touch more than just your superfan.

I grew up loving both marvel and dc, and I have no individual dog in the fight... Personally I was looking forward to the amazing casting DC had assembled to kinda pick up where marvel is leaving things as more main characters depart after 10+ years making films. I thought now would be the time to be wowed by DC and maybe marvel had some off years with obscure characters like Ant-Man or the tv series that I generally didn't care for (aside from punisher and daredevil).... But nope within the first week of JL opening I knew another chance had been burned away by WB/DC

Wrong. It was in IMAX. That's how I seen the film.

IMAX laser specifically

[meatball_84]

Originally Posted by supersix4

Totally agree. Again I'm not hating so not sure why he got all defensive. Just saying that until DC stops delivering content like BvS: DJ and JL and has more movies like WW/MoS they'll continue to get blasted and ridiculed no matter how many cuts they squeeze into a steelbook for superfans to say online "see this cut is superior than insert other film franchise". Thats not gonna get joe avg. film goer to give JL2 a shot because he read the 3rd cut on disk 4 of the Blu-ray fixes a movie that bombed lol

Making movies for hardcore fans only goes so far. Hence why if deadpool had barely recouped its budget or bombed we'd never see another movie again, but with that insane crossover appeal where even non Marvel/comic fans loveeeeed it and it destroyed records with no 3D , No ImAx and an R rating, even Disney said if we buy fox we can find a place for deadpool.

Movies need to touch more than just your superfan.

I grew up loving both marvel and dc, and I have no individual dog in the fight... Personally I was looking forward to the amazing casting DC had assembled to kinda pick up where marvel is leaving things as more main characters depart after 10+ years making films. I thought now would be the time to be wowed by DC and maybe marvel had some off years with obscure characters like Ant-Man or the tv series that I generally didn't care for (aside from punisher and daredevil).... But nope within the first week of JL opening I knew another chance had been burned away by WB/DC

I wasnt offended. I was just stating that massively different versions of movies get released. It's not common, but it is also not rare. WB is aware of the #ReleaseTheSnyderCut movement, and there is only one consideration to whether or not we get the movie. That is money. It's not confusion. It's not wanting to move on. It is can we make money. If their experts say they can afford to finish it and make a reasonable profit, then it will happen. If they say there is no money to be made, then it won't. But mark my words, there WILL be some form of extended edition. There most likely is a longer, finished cut from Whedon from before the 2hr mandate, and that is just money to be made

[kurtis21]

Originally Posted by nugget2016

Wrong. It was in IMAX. That's how I seen the film.

IMAX laser specifically

Wow! That sooooo wasn’t the point of the post!!

[zodwriter]

Originally Posted by meatball_84

I wasnt offended. I was just stating that massively different versions of movies get released. It's not common, but it is also not rare. WB is aware of the #ReleaseTheSnyderCut movement, and there is only one consideration to whether or not we get the movie. That is money. It's not confusion. It's not wanting to move on. It is can we make money. If their experts say they can afford to finish it and make a reasonable profit, then it will happen. If they say there is no money to be made, then it won't. But mark my words, there WILL be some form of extended edition. There most likely is a longer, finished cut from Whedon from before the 2hr mandate, and that is just money to be made

I'm of the mind that there is NO Whedon extended cut of Justice League. Warner Brothers official line from the get go has been that Joss Whedon only re-shot 15-20% of the movie. That's what SnyderCut detractors keep saying too! We have to logically deduce that if there is an extended Whedon version we would have gotten it already with the theatrical cut. This can be backed up with facts because of previous Zack Snyder/DCEU home video releases being either majorly extended or Directors cuts. The conclusion one should be able to come upon based completely on the established facts is that WB marketing the movie with completed Snyder material not in the theatrical cut is that any EXTENDED version or directors cut would be Zack Snyder's. If anything else were the case the deleted scenes would also be Joss Whedon re-shoots.

[meatball_84]

Originally Posted by zodwriter

I'm of the mind that there is NO Whedon extended cut of Justice League. Warner Brothers official line from the get go has been that Joss Whedon only re-shot 15-20% of the movie. That's what SnyderCut detractors keep saying too! We have to logically deduce that if there is an extended Whedon version we would have gotten it already with the theatrical cut. This can be backed up with facts because of previous Zack Snyder/DCEU home video releases being either majorly extended or Directors cuts. The conclusion one should be able to come upon based completely on the established facts is that WB marketing the movie with completed Snyder material not in the theatrical cut is that any EXTENDED version or directors cut would be Zack Snyder's. If anything else were the case the deleted scenes would also be Joss Whedon re-shoots.

The reason behind not releasing an extended at the same time is to double dip. Most people will by this one now, then 6 months from now will buy the other version. It's double the money for WB and is even more probable because of the low box office return. Milking 101.

Just like IT. The director said there would be a director's cut. Then WB only released the theatrical. After the release the director came out and confirmed that there would still be a director's cut in a few months.

If an extended Whedon cut gets released, it will likely have some Snyder scenes that have a lighter tone. Like the Alfred scene, I'll take that as a yes, and maybe the black suit. I would assume there would be some additional Whedon scenes too.