Justice League 4K UHD (2017)

[Bourne1886]

They need to go back to making solo movies now. Can’t believe MoS 2 hasn’t been green lit yet. Have they even started a script? WB have made right mess of this DCEU. They can’t handle The Superman character. Look back to The Reeve days, the franchise started going down hill in Superman 2!

[meatball_84]

Considering that they forced MoS 2 to become BvS, I am glad that they did. I love the Ultimate Edition. It feels like a sequel anyways.

To me JL made sense to happen the way it did. MoS happend, BvS added Batman and Wonder Woman to answer for what happend in MoS. After Superman dies(spoiler?) it would make sense that Bruce and Diana would try to build a team strong enough to fight with Superman gone. The 3 added members are new at this and dont really know what to do. I assume there was much more character building that would have helped in the Snyder Cut. But when you look at Justice League as the 3rd part in the Man of Steel Trilogy, the idea actually works quite well, just not how WB executed it(double meaning?)

I hope we get the Snyder cut to really make this look like the 3rd act of a larger story. I believe that it will help many people that maybe didnt care too much for the previous entrys. As it sits it just felt meh, and didnt really feel like it cared much about what came before. Shame on WB.

[testmon112]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

I don't think it was an attempt to be "different" to Marvel, since we know WB forced Batman into Man of Steel 2, transforming it into BvS, as well as forcing and rushing the DCEU. It wasn't an attempt to be different to Marvel. I think that's giving WB (and their greedy executives) too much credit. They wanted the big money Marvel makes and they wanted it as soon as possible. They wanted the reward without the effort. We've seen it done multiple times, a studio rushing a cinematic universe without laying the foundation and paying the price for it; Sony with The Amazing Spider-Man 2, Universal with The Mummy etc.

To briefly bring compare to Marvel, the reason Marvel's universe works is because they took the time to allow audiences to get attached to each character first. Seeing Iron Man, Captain America, Hulk and Thor unite in The Avengers feels important because we've spent time with each of them before this. DC's films don't have that investment from audiences because we haven't spent enough time with the characters to really care about them. Imagine how much stronger some of the big emotional beats in the DCEU films would feel if they were the payoff to several films worth of investment and character development? How much stronger would Superman's death have been if we'd spent two or more films with him prior to BvS, allowing him to grow as a character?

DC and WB already announced they're going to focus more on standalone films after Justice League, which hopefully means they know where they went wrong and are trying to fix it. I have to give them credit for trying to salvage the DCEU instead of just taking the easy route and rebooting like any other studio would have done, it's just the issue that it might be too little too late. Hopefully they can take another crack at the team ups once there's a strong foundation to support it.

Just my thoughts anyway

They weren't attempting to be different from MCU but Snyders distinct style & tone was always going to be different. It was a very cynical perspective from the beginning retroactively acknowledging MOS to be the first film of the DC Extended Universe it was clear that their vision was limited in terms of establishing a universe and ultimately following through with the slate (which they haven't). Kevin Smith mentioned Marvel already had plans around 2006 for their cinematic endeavor.

It's one of the reasons why Infinity War is a an event. They're are paying off the investment of the audience towards the characters and films. It was around Civil War is when they knew if you weren't on the boat they weren't going to hold your hand and they could afford to do that after 12 films. I mentioned before brand loyalty is a big element in today's entertainment climate, due to the sheer platforms in which we consume content and the rate of which we consume content is increasingly greater this decade. If your reputation is good the audience will give you some leeway to more passable films (IM2, Thor 2 etc) and Marvel capitalizes on this by having a consistent release of good films. It's weird because on a macro level historically WB has been very successful over the last couple of years (IT, Nolan films) and yet their approach towards DC properties has been pretty damn cynical and inconsistent at best.

Wonder Woman demonstrated that general audience is willing to turn up for a film if it's entertaining and the No Mans Land scene was the heart of that particular film. I'm optimistic for Aquaman, Momoa was surprisingly wooden in Justice League but Wan is solid at characterization and mood/atmosphere.



Moviebob mentioned something I thought was interesting in terms of the each studio's approaches towards their source material, Marvel is not ashamed of their heroes and look at the funky costumes and powers and try to build around their characters to bring to the silver screen. It may seem cheesy to some but it's earnest to the core of the Marvel comics. On the other hand, DC seems ashamed of most of that (it worked for TDKT) save for Wonder Woman which took away the cynicism and celebrated one of DC most known heroes and reasons as to which she is the forefront of the DCEU.

[bradnoyes]

Watched this last night and while it was basically Citizen Kane compared to Suicide Squad, it was still a mess of a movie. I mostly just lamented how great this series could have been if they had focused on a few more single-hero movies before rushing into these mash-ups.

Still, it looks lovely and I was entertained, and it wasn't until the last act that I felt it became laughably bad. I thought the worst element was having a 100% CGI villain. Made it feel like the movie had no villain at all.

[Deric2014]

If Marvel had no plan or care about their films it would be like this.

Iron Man
Captain America V Iron Man Civil War
Guardians Of The Galaxy
Thor
The Avengers

[EbonDragon]

They have followed through with their slate so far though. I see this mentioned a lot but it seems like people will regurgitate someone else’s “hot take” because they’re not paying attention. Apart from the Flash being delayed, everything else has released on time. And with the Batman taking Justice League 2’s slot, there’s no reason to think anything else will be delayed.

[Mierzwiak]

Originally Posted by weberrygt

IMO, doing all of the solo movies first would have been too close of a replica to what Marvel did.

But what Marvel did is the only way to build cinematic universe. There's really no alternative. (well, maybe X-universe where almost every single movie is a team one)

Characters and world need room to breathe and time to grow, also in audience minds and hearts. That's one of the reasons why first Avengers film was such a huge success. Why would people care about Justice League when they don't know HALF of the team?

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by Mierzwiak

But what Marvel did is the only way to build cinematic universe. There's really no alternative. (well, maybe X-universe where almost every single movie is a team one)

Characters and world need room to breathe and time to grow, also in audience minds and hearts. That's one of the reasons why first Avengers film was such a huge success. Why would people care about Justice League when they don't know HALF of the team?

Exactly lol the same way you can't build a TV show drama that spans 6-10 seasons any other way. Then slow thought out character building. Thats why TV changed so drastically with the Sopranos. It was clear audiences didn't want individual random episodes they wanted a story, they wanted a payoff for what they've invested their time in, hence why almost every show today does it.

Anyone who thinks there was some master plan at WB to not follow a proven formula of making audiences grow to love standalone films followed by team up followed by a full culmination of that effort at the end (I.e. infinity War in marvels case) is clearly grasping, and stuck in a fanboy mentality that DC/WB botched this.

What probably should have been:
-MoS1
-Batman solo movie with a tie in to Suicide Squad at the end
- Followed by WW film with maybe a tie/ nod to aquaman
-Aquaman (Instead of justice league)

-Mos2 By this point Marvels characters have all left due to contracts you maybe have pratt/ deadpool/ strange/ spider-man/ pretty thin compared to the powerhouses of before (and nobody knows what this era will look like...

THEN a justice league for a full columination taking complete control of whose got the power in the Comic side of the movie industry with a great cast/ people locked in for more movies... etc.

Then you branch out Flash and Cyborg, throw in another batman film along with suicide squad, have superman / batman tie in someway to each of those, thennnnn you bring in Darkseid for a home run gritty payoff.


But nope instead we have to pray aquaman is good, and we sit here and debate conspiracy theories about media hurting DC over marvel , or some master secret plan by WB/DC to invent their own formula (which failed miserably if thats what happened)

[RalphoR]

For sure go back to solo films with a couple of cameos in each. Would love to see a MoS 2 where Superman pops into the batcave to consult with Batman on something. A solo Batman where Nightwing/Robin/Batgirl play small parts. Have Wonder Woman in the upcoming Aquaman film since they have a intertwined past. I'd love to see this happen. You could even introduce obscure DC characters for fun.

[Dirk504]

Guess I’m one the few people who did enjoy this movie. The first time I watched it I wasn’t really impressed, but I liked it way more after a second viewing. And the Atmos was top notch! Action was coming from all over the room. Definitely one of the best immersive audio tracks.

[gwsat]

After putting it off for a while, I finally bought Justice League and watched it today. I was pleasantly surprised. Not only were the UHD HDR video and TrueHD Atmos audio terrific, I thought it was a surprisingly good film. There's a caveat, though. My standards are pretty low when it comes to superhero movies.

I thought Gal Gadot was a joy in her reprisal of her Wonder Woman role and that Ezra Miller was equally entertaining as the Flash. Bottom line, I thought my money had been well spent and I want to see it again.

[ROSS.T.G.]

Also watched today and it looked fantastic. Audio was mediocre though. Good flick.

[Bates_Motel]

Originally Posted by Mierzwiak

But what Marvel did is the only way to build cinematic universe. There's really no alternative. (well, maybe X-universe where almost every single movie is a team one)

Characters and world need room to breathe and time to grow, also in audience minds and hearts. That's one of the reasons why first Avengers film was such a huge success. Why would people care about Justice League when they don't know HALF of the team?

There's never only ONE way to do something.

And per your comment, Hulk didn't have a standalone film first (not one with Ruffalo, anyway, so his take was brand new), neither did Hawkeye, and it wasn't like Black Widow only had a small part in Iron Man 2 and wasn't really given a full characterization pre-Avengers. So yeah, half the Avengers team wasn't really "well-known" either, but it doesn't stop people from making false arguments to tout Marvel over DC.

It's funny some people think you can't care about characters if they don't have 3-4 "set-up" movies first, yet you are supposed to care about them in their original story with no set up for that. It's also the sheep thinking you NEED 3-4 set up films to establish something when you really don't, just because Marvel did it one way.

Quite frankly, I'm bored to tears with marvel films and stopped watching them a phase ago, because I got tired of seeing the same characters in every film. Movies aren't comics. There's only so many times normal people (not fanboys) can watch RDJ play the same a**hole over and over before they get sick of it. So it's awesome that DC isn't bashing you over the head with movie after needless movie.

[ROSS.T.G.]

I’m tired of the Marvel stuff. I much prefer the darker look of DC.

[Jay Mammoth]

Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

Also watched today and it looked fantastic. Audio was mediocre though. Good flick.

I thought the audio was great, but maybe it’s because last week I watched Raganarok.

Did you switch to the Atmos track?

[ROSS.T.G.]

Originally Posted by Jay Mammoth

I thought the audio was great, but maybe it’s because last week I watched Raganarok.

Did you switch to the Atmos track?

Yep, Atmos. It wasn’t bad but average for me. I found LFE lacking, surround activity was good, above sound good but not great. Dialogue was nice and crisp though. I dunno, could have been better IMO.

[Bourne1886]

Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

I’m tired of the Marvel stuff. I much prefer the darker look of DC.

But the trouble now is WB shite themselves and decided to go all marvel with JL and completely undermined Snyders vision. They should have left well alone as it would have made its costs back at least in my eyes. Changing the tone of the JL film nearly ****ed it completely. It’s not as good as it could have been.

[ROSS.T.G.]

Yeah but I liked it more than Spaceballs, I mean Thor.

[SwaGGInTheShadows]

Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

Yeah but I liked it more than Spaceballs, I mean Thor.

Glad im not alone...lol

[EbonDragon]

Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

Yep, Atmos. It wasn’t bad but average for me. I found LFE lacking, surround activity was good, above sound good but not great. Dialogue was nice and crisp though. I dunno, could have been better IMO.

Help me!!! I’m getting a weird reverb-like effect from the opening credits and I’ve yet to have anyone help me figure out if it’s a setup issue or the intended effect. When the lyrics for Everybody Knows come on, is there a half second delay between the lyrics coming from the fronts and the lyrics coming from the overheads?