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Old 01-13-2019, 04:29 PM   #2341
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Its not ridiculous if you consider classics in each genre, very simply.
Well in that case, Dawn of the Dead is way more of a horror Classic than Casablanca!
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Old 01-13-2019, 04:34 PM   #2342
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You can't be serious. Sure, you can personally enjoy Dawn of the Dead more than Casablanca, but to say "DOTD is more of a classic" is completely and utterly ridiculous, by any stretch of rationality or reasonability.
Sorry, but no it's not.
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I just bought the German steel book of the Argento cut. I guess I have to get this too. Oops this is 156 minutes long. Not sure what version this is.
i think it is the unofficial extended mall cut or ultimate cut.i have it under several names
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Old 01-13-2019, 05:00 PM   #2344
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You can't be serious. Sure, you can personally enjoy Dawn of the Dead more than Casablanca, but to say "DOTD is more of a classic" is completely and utterly ridiculous, by any stretch of rationality or reasonability.
I am serious. And don't call me Shirley.
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Old 01-13-2019, 05:25 PM   #2345
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A movie that has grown in esteem decades since release, survived the glut of since released titles to still be discussed, wanted on multiple formats and have a loyal and diverse following? DotD is sincerely a classic, in any genre. The only thing that might ding its status is the lack of star power and studio budget, but its done pretty well for itself regardless. To me this argument is like when people argue about what plays on the classic rock channel, if its old and still in demand I think "classic" is a valid label, even if it was released during your lifetime.
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DOTD had something a lot of great movies lack: a talented director with a unique vision. Something money can’t buy.
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I'm kind of surprised Rubenstein doesn't just try and put out a Blu-ray in the US via his company if he's not willing to license it out.
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Old 01-13-2019, 06:47 PM   #2348
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You can't be serious. Sure, you can personally enjoy Dawn of the Dead more than Casablanca, but to say "DOTD is more of a classic" is completely and utterly ridiculous, by any stretch of rationality or reasonability.
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Dawn of the Dead (1979)
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"Dawn of the Dead" is one of the best horror films ever made -- and, as an inescapable result, one of the most horrifying. It is gruesome, sickening, disgusting, violent, brutal and appalling. It is also (excuse me for a second while I find my other list) brilliantly crafted, funny, droll, and savagely merciless in its satiric view of the American consumer society.
Nobody ever said art had to be in good taste.

It's about a mysterious plague that sweeps the nation, causing the recently dead to rise from their graves and roam the land, driven by an insatiable hunger for living flesh. No explanation is offered for this behavior -- indeed, what explanation would suffice? -- but there is a moment at which a survivor solemnly intones: "When there is no more room in hell, the dead will walk the Earth."

Who's that a quotation from? From George A. Romero, who wrote and directed "Dawn of the Dead" as a sequel to his "Night of the Living Dead," which came out in 1968 and still plays the midnight circuit as a cult classic.
If you have seen "Night," you will recall it as a terrifying horror film punctuated by such shocking images as zombies tearing human flesh from limbs. "Dawn" includes many more scenes like that, more graphic, more shocking, and in color. I am being rather blunt about this because there are many people who will not want to see this film. You know who you are. Why are you still reading?

Well ... maybe because there's a little of the ghoulish voyeur in all of us. We like to be frightened. We like a good creepy thrill. It's just, we say, that we don't want a movie to go too far. What's too far? "The Exorcist"? "The Omen"? George Romero deliberately intends to go too far in "Dawn of the Dead." He's dealing very consciously with the ways in which images can affect us, and if we sit through the film (many people cannot) we make some curious discoveries.

One is that the fates of the zombies, who are destroyed wholesale in all sorts of terrible ways, don't affect us so much after awhile. They aren't being killed, after all: They're already dead. They're even a little comic, lurching about a shopping center and trying to plod up the down escalator. Romero teases us with these passages of humor. We relax, we laugh, we see the satire in it all, and then -- pow! Another disembowelment, just when we were off guard.

His story opens in a chaotic television studio, where idiotic broadcasters are desperately transmitting inaccurate information (one hopes the Emergency Broadcast System will do a whole lot better). National Guard troops storm public housing, where zombies have been reported. There are 10 minutes of unrelieved violence, and then the story settles down into the saga of four survivors who hijack a helicopter, land on the roof of a suburban shopping center, and barricade themselves inside against the zombies.

Their eventual fates are not as interesting as their behavior in the meantime; there is nothing quite like a plague of zombies to wonderfully focus your attention on what really matters to you. Romero has his own ideas, too, and the shopping center becomes a brilliant setting for a series of comic and satiric situations: Some low humor, some exquisitely sly.
But, even so, you may be asking, how can I defend this depraved trash? I do not defend it. I praise it. And it is not depraved, although some reviews have seen it that way. It is about depravity.

If you can see beyond the immediate impact of Romero's imagery, if you can experience the film as being more than just its violent extremes, a most unsettling thought may occur to you: The zombies in "Dawn of the Dead" are not the ones who are depraved. They are only acting according to their natures, and, gore dripping from their jaws, are blameless.

The depravity is in the healthy survivors, and the true immorality comes as two bands of human survivors fight each other for the shopping center: Now look who's fighting over the bones! But "Dawn" is even more complicated than that, because the survivors have courage, too, and a certain nobility at times, and a sense of humor, and loneliness and dread, and are not altogether unlike ourselves. A-ha.
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Old 01-13-2019, 07:10 PM   #2349
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Well in that case, Dawn of the Dead is way more of a horror Classic than Casablanca!
I meant more along the lines of, Dawn of the Dead is a horror classic, period. Is it on the AFI 100? No, but that doesn't invalidate the fact that Dawn of the Dead is a horror classic.
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I'm kind of surprised Rubenstein doesn't just try and put out a Blu-ray in the US via his company if he's not willing to license it out.
I would pay for it. I paid a lot for the Faster Pussycat Kill Kill Blu-ray released in similar fashion. Heck if they did new transfers that mirrored the Dawn of the Dead DVD box set in content I'd pay $100 easy if it meant it was the only way to get the film out there.
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Old 01-13-2019, 07:19 PM   #2351
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You can't be serious. Sure, you can personally enjoy Dawn of the Dead more than Casablanca, but to say "DOTD is more of a classic" is completely and utterly ridiculous, by any stretch of rationality or reasonability.
My horror collection is really small compared to most posters on here and my classics collection is larger than most posters. To me, Casablanca is definitely much more of a classic.

The key here is “to me”. Dawn Of The Dead is now 41 years old, and to some people it’s much more of a classic than Casablanca. People who saw DOTD opening in theaters who it had a formative impact on are now mostly senior citizens. People who saw Casablanca in theaters are mostly all dead. Tastes and opinions change.

This is akin to people saying surely you can’t be implying (Band X) is better or more classic than The Beatles. Yes, yes I can, they are the most overrated band in the history of the world IMO.

While the film insititute might continually put out a list that looks vaguely similar every couple years telling you what they think the best films are, I have yet to see any modern director ever list their favorite movies like 1. Citizen Kane 2. Casablanca 3. Gone With The Wind, etc....... If you catch my drift.

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My horror collection is really small compared to most posters on here and my classics collection is larger than most posters. To me, Casablanca is definitely much more of a classic.
I think we also have a preconceived notion of what "classic" must be based on lists like the AFI 100, but I think you can also have classics in genres that are not typically part of that preconceived notion of "classic".

For instance I consider Brazil (1985) a classic (hence my avatar) and if I had to save either last remaining elements for Casablanca or Brazil from a fire, I'd pick Brazil without hesitation. I personally feel its a far more important movie than Casablanca because of its message, but many may disagree with that.

So regardless of what others consider a classic, I think one can have their own concept of what is classic and what is not and still be justified in their opinion.
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DAWN might be THE horror classic! Timeless movie. A true masterpiece.
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Old 01-13-2019, 07:40 PM   #2354
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My horror collection is really small compared to most posters on here and my classics collection is larger than most posters. To me, Casablanca is definitely much more of a classic.

The key here is “to me”. Dawn Of The Dead is now 41 years old, and to some people it’s much more of a classic than Casablanca. People who saw DOTD opening in theaters who it had a formative impact on are now mostly senior citizens. People who saw Casablanca in theaters are mostly all dead. Tastes and opinions change.

This is akin to people saying surely you can’t be implying (Band X) is better or more classic than The Beatles. Yes, yes I can, they are the most overrated band in the history of the world IMO.

While the film insititute might continually put out a list that looks vaguely similar every couple years telling you what they think the best films are, I have yet to see any modern director ever list their favorite movies like 1. Citizen Kane 2. Casablanca 3. Gone With The Wind, etc....... If you catch my drift.

umm...... while not a youngster i saw DOTD in the theater back in the day but don't qualify for the senior discount yet. if nothing your age is showing and you are obviously fairly young.

now i don't necessarily disagree with you to a point. where i think you fail on this topic is you aren't comparing apples to apples. Casablanca is a classic but it isn't horror so whether it's "better" than DOTD is immaterial. this is exactly why i don't have a hard fav list as i can't say whether King Kong (33) is "better" than say The Good The Bad And The Ugly. both are considered classics but for very different reasons. DOTD is one of my all time favs but i'd never say it was "better" than Gone With The Wind just that i prefer it to that film.

lastly the Beatles can never be "over rated". i'm not a big fan at all but their contribution to rock music can't be down played. in terms of history and development of rock music (and pop for that matter) the Beatles have no peers just those that followed in their wake.
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I showed DOTD to my then-teenage nephew shortly before George Romero died in the summer of 2017 (I mean shortly before...I logged on the day after we watched to learn that George had died. ), and he LOVED it, citing it as his new-favorite zombie movie ("Up there with Zombieland!" ), so, if an "old movie" can still work for The Kids These Days, then it's officially a classic.
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Why is anyone debating something subjective?
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How good is the German "Ultimate Cut" in comparison to the 3 acknowledged cuts of the movie?
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How good is the German "Ultimate Cut" in comparison to the 3 acknowledged cuts of the movie?
It's a fan edit. It's great for people who can't get enough of the film.
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probably because something that is subjective offers the most opportunity for debate.
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Imo it's an abomination.
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