Dawn of the Dead (1978) - OUT OF PRINT

[DR Herbert West]

Originally Posted by DukeTogo84

To get us back on topic...if Geek Gab is to be believed...who are we taking bets on that has Dawn?

50% Criterion
30% Well Go
20% Vinegar Syndrome

[DukeTogo84]

Originally Posted by DR Herbert West

50% Criterion
30% Well Go
20% Vinegar Syndrome

I think those seem like realistic probabilities. I'm hoping it's VS, but it's probably going to be Criterion. I don't own the Phantasm set, but it seems like Well Go did a great job with that one.

[HipsterTrash]

I know you said Arrow isn't likely but there's something thinking they might be. Idk. They just seem like the right fit.

[thatguamguy]

Originally Posted by HipsterTrash

I know you said Arrow isn't likely but there's something thinking they might be. Idk. They just seem like the right fit.

I think they'd be the best fit and I wouldn't say it's impossible, but my feeling is that if Arrow could afford the US license, they would've gotten the UK license too (which is almost certainly cheaper).

[DukeTogo84]

Originally Posted by HipsterTrash

I know you said Arrow isn't likely but there's something thinking they might be. Idk. They just seem like the right fit.

Arrow doesn't have it. That's not speculation, it's something I know.

[rocknblues81]

Criterion seems somewhat antiquated in a market with so many smaller specialty labels... With people passionate about the movies their working on.

I think they still work for really old obscure titles, but they're not appropriate for a movie like Dawn.

[dickdarlington]

Originally Posted by rocknblues81

I think they still work for really old obscure titles, but they're not appropriate for a movie like Dawn.

Yes, the boutique label that released Night of the Living Dead is not appropriate enough to release its sequel.

I'm glad I own a 4K set and was able to snag the Second Sight release so I never have to worry about this again. I can't wait to see this thread in ten months and people going, "BUT GEEK GAB SAID IT WAS COMING."

[DukeTogo84]

Originally Posted by rocknblues81

Criterion seems somewhat antiquated in a market with so many smaller specialty labels.

I think they still work for really old obscure titles, but they're not appropriate for a movie like Dawn.

They are releasing Netflix films now. Most of their recent output have been films released after Dawn. If they can release a film like Ghost Dog, then Dawn shouldn’t be a surprise.

[rocknblues81]

Originally Posted by dickdarlington

Yes, the boutique label that released Night of the Living Dead is not appropriate enough to release its sequel.

I'm glad I own a 4K set and was able to snag the Second Sight release so I never have to worry about this again. I can't wait to see this thread in ten months and people going, "BUT GEEK GAB SAID IT WAS COMING."

Sure, they released Night... They also gave it a cheap overall presentation.

They will likely be releasing an inferior release at a premium price for Dawn..

[dickdarlington]

Originally Posted by DukeTogo84

They are releasing Netflix films now.

If only Baumbach, Cuarón, and Scorsese were previously represented in the Criterion Collection...

[dickdarlington]

Originally Posted by rocknblues81

Sure, they released Night... They also gave it a cheap over presentation.

They will likely be releasing an inferior release at a premium price.

[yoloswegmaster420]

Seeing people cry and moan about a hypothetical Criterion release that hasn't been confirmed at all is quite genuinely hilarious.

[rocknblues81]

Originally Posted by dickdarlington

Well, there is already a 4k release of 3 cuts and lots of features...

What would Criterion do?

Likely a cheapie digipack, just a blu ray,a handful of features and at a near 4k price point.

[dickdarlington]

Originally Posted by yoloswegmaster420

Seeing people cry and moan about a hypothetical Criterion release that hasn't been confirmed at all is quite genuinely hilarious.

Seeing people complain that Night is a "cheap release" is hilarious.

As someone who owns both the Criterion (sourced from Scorsese's 4K restoration) and Japanese Blu-ray (sourced from The Weinstein Company's 2K restoration), the Criterion release is the better in regards to picture and audio quality. The Japanese release is worth owning just to maintain all of the bonus features TWC produced (including a feature-length documentary) that didn't find their way onto the Criterion.

The worst case scenario is if Criterion had its hands on Dawn is that it would be a Blu-ray only release, which isn't a bad thing considering a perfectly good 4K release exists from Second Sight.

[fred25_Ca]

I think at the very least this shows how little people care about Criterion anymore. They used to be the king of labels release but they've been loosing touch with their audience for the last decade or so. It used to be people would ask for EVERY movies to get the Criterion treatment. Now, people are mostly hoping a better label picks up their favorite movies. Criterion either don't care about the changing market or think they are above it, who knows. With UHD being region free now, it's much easier to pick a better release overseas than Criterion's offerings. I am so grateful that 4K is multiregion lol. Now, if only studios could stop putting extras on a region locked blu ray, it would be wonderful. :P

[dickdarlington]

Originally Posted by rocknblues81

Well, there is already a 4k release of 3 cuts and lots of features...

What would Criterion do?

Likely a cheapie digipack, just a blu ray,a handful of features and at a near 4k price point.

If only Criterion released films in multiple disc sets before.

Based upon Anchor Bay's Ultimate Edition release in 2004 and Second Sight's release this year, odds are any U.S. release will feature:

• The Theatrical Cut
• The Cannes Cut
• The Argento Cut
• Document of the Dead (pick and choose which version(s) make it)
• Anchor Bay's archival bonus materials

Criterion has and will continue to use previously made bonus materials from another studio if they're able to be licensed. If the Night release is a basis, Criterion would also go out of their way to create new bonus materials despite the Second Sight's new bonus materials existing. As we saw with Night, none of the TWC produced material from the prior DVD release made its way to the Criterion; but a whole new set of features made it instead.

I still don't think Criterion or any U.S. studio has the rights. If they did, we would've heard something by now.

[thatguamguy]

Originally Posted by dickdarlington

The worst case scenario is if Criterion had its hands on Dawn is that it would be a Blu-ray only release, which isn't a bad thing considering a perfectly good 4K release exists from Second Sight.

When you put it like this, Criterion makes more sense to me.

A label that does do 4K would have to directly compete with Second Sight's 4K, which has already captured most people's attention by being first to market. A label would be paying a premium to sell to the limited market of "people who buy 4Ks but don't import them". But other labels might also balk at paying a premium for the Dawn license mainly for the blu when they could license other movies with similar appeal for the 4K market also (probably for less, given the stories about Rubinstein).

[HipsterTrash]

Ah, finally, the pessimism returns.

[thatguamguy]

Originally Posted by dickdarlington

odds are any U.S. release will feature:

• The Theatrical Cut
• The Cannes Cut
• The Argento Cut
• Document of the Dead (pick and choose which version(s) make it)
• Anchor Bay's archival bonus materials

Isn't "Document of the Dead" still licensed to Synapse?

[yoloswegmaster420]

Originally Posted by fred25_Ca

I think at the very least this shows how little people care about Criterion anymore. They used to be the king of labels release but they've been loosing touch with their audience for the last decade or so. It used to be people would ask for EVERY movies to get the Criterion treatment. Now, people are mostly hoping a better label picks up their favorite movies. Criterion either don't care about the changing market or think they are above it, who knows. With UHD being region free now, it's much easier to pick a better release overseas than Criterion's offerings. I am so grateful that 4K is multiregion lol. Now, if only studios could stop putting extras on a region locked blu ray, it would be wonderful. :P

This is absolutely not even close to being true. There are so many people out there clamoring for a Criterion release of their favorite films (regardless or not if there is already a good release for said title). Just because you and a select few tend to talk down on Criterion (while at the same time jerking off to Arrow) doesn't mean that their reputation has gone down.