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Geoff D · 11-28-2016, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kidglov3s

I wonder how many movies will have to be affected for this to become common knowledge. Maybe Sony could've done some good work educating the public by doing this to all those discs rather than the crushing.

Well, it's still pretty darned rare, as is the opposite black crush problem seen on the Sony discs, and in both cases we've seen comments from people saying they've got no problem with how it looks (most recently with Shout's botched editions of Road House and TFTM) so what can you do?

2-perf · 11-28-2016, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

At least the black levels can be fixed: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comp...1923/picture:0

Of course... you don't have to believe me, but faulty encoded levels can't be reversed.

Best explanation available on the subject here at Light Illusion's website.

http://www.lightillusion.com/data_tv_levels.html

Geoff D · 11-28-2016, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 2-perf

Of course... you don't have to believe me, but faulty encoded levels can't be reversed.

Best explanation available on the subject here at Light Illusion's website.

http://www.lightillusion.com/data_tv_levels.html

Sure, it's not the ultimate fidelity to the source because the bit depth is effectively reduced by such an overly bright encode BUT the fix is enough of a correction so that us mere mortals (who don't have the ProRes master sitting in front of them

) are able to enjoy it without the distraction of such horribly milky blacks. And as soon as I get my Italian 4K set you can bet I'll be setting my player to PC levels to watch the other two cuts.

2-perf · 11-28-2016, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

Sure, it's not the ultimate fidelity to the source because the bit depth is effectively reduced by such an overly bright encode BUT the fix is enough of a correction so that us mere mortals (who don't have the ProRes master sitting in front of them

) are able to enjoy it without the distraction of such horribly milky blacks.

The things is it doesn't only affect the blacks of the image it also affects the whites who get clipped.

The Fallen Deity · 11-28-2016, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

Grrrr, mine had better come tomorrow!

I can't speak for the UHD set but the standard BD set is mighty purty. It's even got reversible artwork.

Mr Kite · 11-28-2016, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Fallen Deity

My copy came today and I can confirm that the blacks and highlights are messed up on the theatrical & extended discs. Other than that the transfer used for both cuts looks good though.

The Argento cut looks great. I kinda wish I bought the UHD release now, I'm suddenly very curious about the full frame version haha!

I had a quick skim view and they looked OK to me?

The Fallen Deity · 11-28-2016, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by tele1962

I had a quick skim view and they looked OK to me?

Yeah they look fine it's just the blacks and highlights that are "off". The transfer looks a tad washed out. Definitely better than the Anchor Bay/Arrow transfer though.

Geoff D · 11-28-2016, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 2-perf

The things is it doesn't only affect the blacks of the image it also affects the whites who get clipped.

Like I said, the bit depth goes for a burton which means it suffers at either end of the scale. But given how SDR video is a killer for clipped highlights anyway I'm happy enough with the black levels fix that I've applied to any such disc. Again, YMMV, especially when it comes to having a master source close to hand but ignorance, bliss etc.

The Fallen Deity · 11-28-2016, 06:08 PM

I can't speak for the rest of the extras as I haven't looked at them yet but the restoration featurette that's included is in Italian without English subtitles. Bummer!

2-perf · 11-28-2016, 06:10 PM

Here's a good example of that level problems not only lifting the blacks but clipping the whites.

https://www.caps-a-holic.com/c.php?g...52624&i=12&l=0

Geoff D · 11-28-2016, 06:13 PM

Danny, I believe you. What I'm saying is that I can live with it as long as the blacks are brought into line, which is where the levels fix comes in handy.

2-perf · 11-28-2016, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

Danny, I believe you. What I'm saying is that I can live with it as long as the blacks are brought into line, which is where the levels fix comes in handy.

I got that, I'm just giving example for the other forum members.

The Fallen Deity · 11-28-2016, 06:56 PM

Was it ever said anywhere why the Argento cut is the only version of the film with a new 4K transfer?

MisterFantastic · 11-28-2016, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Fallen Deity

Was it ever said anywhere why the Argento cut is the only version of the film with a new 4K transfer?

Rights issues

The Fallen Deity · 11-28-2016, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterFantastic

Rights issues

Thought so.

OgamiittoMcJ · 11-28-2016, 07:52 PM

got mine today both BD and UHD version
heres some pics of UHD version, lovely set

DOTD UHD Slipbox art

Jumbo Amaray Art

Booklet (txt is Italian but some artwork posters are english) and postcards

Vidya · 11-28-2016, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by The Fallen Deity

Yeah they look fine it's just the blacks and highlights that are "off". The transfer looks a tad washed out. Definitely better than the Anchor Bay/Arrow transfer though.

It must look better in motion because the screenshots look rough. Based off of the caps-a-holic comparison, the Anchor Bay looks better to me.

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Originally Posted by 2-perf

Yes my dear.

How about the audio? From what I recall, the Happinet theatrical release didn't have the original mono. What's included with this new release?

kidglov3s · 11-28-2016, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Vidya

It must look better in motion because the screenshots look rough. Based off of the caps-a-holic comparison, the Anchor Bay looks better to me.

JP TC has its problems but those ghosting on the AB far outweighs them.

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go...=52617&i=6&l=0

The Fallen Deity · 11-28-2016, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Vidya

It must look better in motion because the screenshots look rough. Based off of the caps-a-holic comparison, the Anchor Bay looks better to me.

How about the audio? From what I recall, the Happinet theatrical release didn't have the original mono. What's included with this new release?

It does look rough but there's less DNR and no ghosting. It's not a great transfer but it's the best one out there at the moment for the theatrical & extended cuts imo. Those versions really need new transfers.

As for the audio, the mono mixes are included for all three cuts.

saltysam · 11-28-2016, 08:59 PM

Some caps from the Blu of the Argento cut

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11-28-2016, 06:08 PM	#1249
The Fallen Deity Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Jul 2011 Location:Scotland 4K collection:348 Blu-ray collection:1226 DVD collection:112	I can't speak for the rest of the extras as I haven't looked at them yet but the restoration featurette that's included is in Italian without English subtitles. Bummer!

11-28-2016, 06:10 PM	#1250
2-perf Expert Member Top contributor Member since:Feb 2016 Location:Montreal 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:-	Here's a good example of that level problems not only lifting the blacks but clipping the whites. https://www.caps-a-holic.com/c.php?g...52624&i=12&l=0

11-28-2016, 06:13 PM	#1251
Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1348 Blu-ray collection:2525 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	Danny, I believe you. What I'm saying is that I can live with it as long as the blacks are brought into line, which is where the levels fix comes in handy.

11-28-2016, 06:56 PM	#1253
The Fallen Deity Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Jul 2011 Location:Scotland 4K collection:348 Blu-ray collection:1226 DVD collection:112	Was it ever said anywhere why the Argento cut is the only version of the film with a new 4K transfer?

11-28-2016, 07:52 PM	#1256
OgamiittoMcJ Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Oct 2013 Location:Glasgow, UK Home Theater Gallery:20 4K collection:599 Blu-ray collection:3471 DVD collection:445 Trading Score:5	got mine today both BD and UHD version heres some pics of UHD version, lovely set DOTD UHD Slipbox art Jumbo Amaray Art Booklet (txt is Italian but some artwork posters are english) and postcards

11-28-2016, 08:59 PM	#1260
saltysam Blu-ray Guru Member since:Mar 2010 Location:Liverpool,UK 4K collection:272 Blu-ray collection:768 Trading Score:3	Some caps from the Blu of the Argento cut [Show spoiler]

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