Dawn of the Dead (1978) - OUT OF PRINT

[Worship.my.wreck]

Originally Posted by monwobbbo

well no the ability to make their money back and turn a profit is totally what this discussion is about. why would a company do it if they didn't think they would make money. business 101. knowing that there are already copies out there certainly would factor in the decision though it may not be a big factor for this film. it's still a consideration. i'll throw in a for instance. SATANIC RITES OF DRACULA. back in the day Anchor Bay did release this as an official dvd. it didn't do very well and disappeared because there were a ton of supposed public domain copies available. just saying to sell copies beyond the true fans has to be taken into consideration if your upfront costs are high. no one has stepped up to the plate on this despite the apparent demand so there must be a reason.

What you were saying is that the previous release would affect sales of a new release which isn’t true at all. The truth of the matter is, a new release would sell well regardless if there was a previous version. The previous release would have little to no affect on the sale numbers. And just about every re-release out there proves this to be true.

Recouping all their money back is another story. We’ve already established that physical media is on a decline. So obviously what companies and labels consider as selling well or a success now is different from what their expectations were say 10-15 years ago. And if there’s any truth to the rumors (wherever that started, idk) that Rubinstein wants 6 or 7 figures for the film, then yeah it will be hard to make that money back regardless what film it is. But I can assure you that those numbers would not be affected at all just because it’s been released before. Especially for a film this popular for the Horror Genre. Which was your original argument. It’s two different arguememts.

[monwobbbo]

Originally Posted by Worship.my.wreck

What you were saying is that the previous release would affect sales of a new release which isn’t true at all. The truth of the matter is, a new release would sell well regardless if there was a previous version. The previous release would have little to no affect on the sale numbers. And just about every re-release out there proves this to be true.

Recouping all their money back is another story. We’ve already established that physical media is on a decline. So obviously what companies and labels consider as selling well or a success now is different from what their expectations were say 10-15 years ago. And if there’s any truth to the rumors (wherever that started, idk) that Rubinstein wants 6 or 7 figures for the film, then yeah it will be hard to make that money back regardless. But I can assure you that those numbers would not be affected at all just because it’s been released before. Especially for a film this popular for the Horror Genre. Which was your original argument. It’s two different arguememts.

not sure how you figure that previous sales won't affect new sales. a certain percentage of people won't rebuy what they already have. those sentiments can be found in most reissue threads. no way a company can discount that when deciding on whether doing a reissue is good business or not. again whether a company can make money on a release or not certainly will have to be considered for a decision. to think otherwise is naive at best.

unless the fee is to high or other conditions for it's use aren't reasonable i can't see why no company has hopped on this. this makes me think that perhaps it's not just a rumour.

[Worship.my.wreck]

Originally Posted by monwobbbo

not sure how you figure that previous sales won't affect new sales. a certain percentage of people won't rebuy what they already have. those sentiments can be found in most reissue threads. no way a company can discount that when deciding on whether doing a reissue is good business or not. again whether a company can make money on a release or not certainly will have to be considered for a decision. to think otherwise is naive at best.

unless the fee is to high or other conditions for it's use aren't reasonable i can't see why no company has hopped on this. this makes me think that perhaps it's not just a rumour.

If it was a factor then SF and other labels wouldn’t re-release all the films that they do. Carrie, the Thing, Child’s Play, Return Of The Living Dead...etc. all have done well. And I seriously doubt they were worried wether or not they would sell well.

I can’t think of how many times I’ve heard people say they were going to get rid of their current disk every time a title gets re-released. Especially when it’s a title that’s rare and OOP. Which would be the case in this situation as well.

And I don’t think any of us know for sure what Rubinstein is asking for. Could he be asking for Millions? Maybe. But I’ll point out that for a long time there were rumors that Hell Night couldn’t get released because whoever owned it wanted to make a remake to go along with a release of the film. Well, look what ended up happening, SF is Releasing this and no remake was ever made. Could the rights owners of the film have changed their minds? It’s possible. But it’s also possible that it was just rumors and they were just asking for a lot of money or whatever. Either way, whatever the situation with Dawn of the Dead is, I believe someone can work something out this guy. I just don’t see a film this popular never getting released again.

[thatguamguy]

Originally Posted by Worship.my.wreck

And I don’t think any of us know for sure what Rubinstein is asking for.

Sure we do, you just refuse to accept the facts that people who know exactly what they're talking about have told all of us for a long time. Rubinstein raised millions of dollars to get a 3D copy of the movie made, now he wants (1) to pay his investors back, ideally with a profit, and (2) to get a theatrical re-release in 3D. Multiple labels have confirmed that the price is unjustifiably high, that it would be impossible to make their money back on disc sales, and no distributor seems interested in the theatrical release (likely due to limitations placed on unrated movies). So they're at an impasse. Just because we don't know the precise dollar amount that he is asking for doesn't mean the rest of that isn't known.

[Gargus]

Originally Posted by thatguamguy

Sure we do, you just refuse to accept the facts that people who know exactly what they're talking about have told all of us for a long time. Rubinstein raised millions of dollars to get a 3D copy of the movie made, now he wants (1) to pay his investors back, ideally with a profit, and (2) to get a theatrical re-release in 3D. Multiple labels have confirmed that the price is unjustifiably high, that it would be impossible to make their money back on disc sales, and no distributor seems interested in the theatrical release (likely due to limitations placed on unrated movies). So they're at an impasse. Just because we don't know the precise dollar amount that he is asking for doesn't mean the rest of that isn't known.

He said we don't know what he is asking for.

In your first sentence you said we do, and in your last sentence you said we don't, and everything else in between has nothing at all to do with what you quoted him as saying. I don't think you have any idea what you're saying.

[thatguamguy]

OK, I'm going to remove the colloquial language so that you can understand the point that you completely missed.

Not knowing the precise dollar amount that he is requesting is not the same thing as not knowing the demands that he is making. We do know the demands that he is making, and worship-the-wreck has made numerous posts consecutively where he claims that we don't. The fact that we don't know exactly how much he is asking for should not be mistaken for not knowing that multiple labels have confirmed that it is outrageously excessive compared to the value.

[batman2000]

Originally Posted by thatguamguy

OK, I'm going to remove the colloquial language so that you can understand the point that you completely missed.

Not knowing the precise dollar amount that he is requesting is not the same thing as not knowing the demands that he is making. We do know the demands that he is making, and worship-the-wreck has made numerous posts consecutively where he claims that we don't. The fact that we don't know exactly how much he is asking for should not be mistaken for not knowing that multiple labels have confirmed that it is outrageously excessive compared to the value.

you know company's like funimation used kickstarter to garner interst in a redub of escaflowne so it's not like a company like shout factory could do something similar only first asking the producer the amount of money he wants and then put that as the goal on kickstarter. understand games like mighty no 9,shantae half genie hero,shenmue 3 etc. had over a million dollars reached so anything is possible

[brian9229]

And.......another thread bites the dust.

[CreepyThinMan]

Rubinstein is a cockroach who leeched off Romero for years.

[kidglov3s]

Originally Posted by CreepyThinMan

Rubinstein is a cockroach who leeched off Romero for years.

Romero did his best work in partnership with Rubinstein.

[dwk]

Originally Posted by kidglov3s

Romero did his best work in partnership with Rubinstein.

Yeah, but Rubinstein is still awful. I'm currently listening to an interview with Don May, Jr and he was talking about working on the Dawn of the Dead laserdisc. He said that Romero gave them a copy of the script to include on the release, so they spent the money to scan it and Rubinstein came to them and said that, since they didn't include the script on the list of items they were using for the release, they would have to pay him an extra $10,000 to include it on the release.

[BeastCreatureTrapper]

Originally Posted by dwk

Yeah, but Rubinstein is still awful. I'm currently listening to an interview with Don May, Jr and he was talking about working on the Dawn of the Dead laserdisc. He said that Romero gave them a copy of the script to include on the release, so they spent the money to scan it and Rubinstein came to them and said that, since they didn't include the script on the list of items they were using for the release, they would have to pay him an extra $10,000 to include it on the release.

Damn, and if we're talking about the laserdisc, we're talking "$10,000.00" in '90's money!

If it's no problem, do you have a link to the interview? I like Don's interviews.

[dwk]

Originally Posted by BeastCreatureTrapper

Damn, and if we're talking about the laserdisc, we're talking "$10,000.00" in '90's money!

If it's no problem, do you have a link to the interview? I like Don's interviews.

here you go:
https://www.horror-fix.com/horrorfix...s-suspiria-4k/

[Michael24]

Originally Posted by dwk

Yeah, but Rubinstein is still awful. I'm currently listening to an interview with Don May, Jr and he was talking about working on the Dawn of the Dead laserdisc. He said that Romero gave them a copy of the script to include on the release, so they spent the money to scan it and Rubinstein came to them and said that, since they didn't include the script on the list of items they were using for the release, they would have to pay him an extra $10,000 to include it on the release.

Yikes! They'd have to pay him just to include an extra bonus feature that was given to them by somebody else? How does that work?

[Carmine01]

The twelve year period from 1973 - 1985 saw Romero at his creative best. For me, there's not one bad movie in that time zone. I think as a movie producer, Rubenstein was on top of his game. He seems to have brought the best out of George. Unfortunately now, greed seems to be creeping in, where Rubenstein is concerned. There's no denying it though, they did work well as a team.

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[BladeRunner2007]

This movie is a cultural phenomenon, an immortal classic and the best zombie movie ever made. It deserves the best possible Criterion treatment, but it probably won't ever happen, because of Rubenstein's greed

[Mahadeva]

Originally Posted by BladeRunner2007

This movie is a cultural phenomenon, an immortal classic and the best zombie movie ever made. It deserves the best possible Criterion treatment, but it probably won't ever happen, because of Rubenstein's greed

He's 70, he won't live for much longer.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Michael24

Yikes! They'd have to pay him just to include an extra bonus feature that was given to them by somebody else? How does that work?

Romero directed it but Rubinstein owns the movie. Simple as that: he's got the keys to the kingdom.

[Worship.my.wreck]

Originally Posted by Mahadeva

He's 70, he won't live for much longer.

Which is why I think we’ll see another release sooner rather than later. If what people are saying is true, that he’s asking for so much money because he spent a fortune on it himself, then I’m pretty sure he’ll be forced to lower his price seeing as no one obviously is willing to pay him what he wants. It’s like the scalpers on eBay, when they put up a sold out/rare item for an insane amount that no one will touch, eventually they have to bring down the asking price or they get stuck with the product. The guy is 70, so it’s probably smarter for him to make his money while he still can.

[Mahadeva]

Originally Posted by Worship.my.wreck

Which is why I think we’ll see another release sooner rather than later. If what people are saying is true, that he’s asking for so much money because he spent a fortune on it himself, then I’m pretty sure he’ll be forced to lower his price seeing as no one obviously is willing to pay him what he wants. It’s like the scalpers on eBay, when they put up a sold out/rare item for an insane amount that no one will touch, eventually they have to bring down the asking price or they get stuck with the product. The guy is 70, so it’s probably smarter for him to make his money while he still can.

So true.