Omg it does! I just checked their website. Lmao what a joke.
This is exactly what I mean with them announcing 4Ks but putting out inferior editions.
To be fair, Arrow doesn't even include a Blu-ray with their current 4K release, so you could make the case that you get a bonus option in a different AR with the Criterion release that you don't get with Arrow, for essentially the same price. Criterion also includes both theatrical and extended cuts (and it's not exclusive to some Limited Edition), while the standard Arrow only has the theatrical version. With that said, I do think Criterion should be upgrading their BD's with newer masters whenever they release a title on 4K as well.
I’d like them to release his early shorts or later New Line titles like Pecker and Cecil B. Demented. Or Hairspray 4K? I remember Mondo Trasho being confined by music rights.
I would love that so much! Similar to Mondo Trasho I think music rights prevent his early shorts from being released, which is why he only shows them at his art shows/exhibits. Hope to one day catch one of those.
To be fair, Arrow doesn't even include a Blu-ray with their current 4K release, so you could make the case that you get a bonus option in a different AR with the Criterion release that you don't get with Arrow, for essentially the same price. Criterion also includes both theatrical and extended cuts (and it's not exclusive to some Limited Edition), while the standard Arrow only has the theatrical version. With that said, I do think Criterion should be upgrading their BD's with newer masters whenever they release a title on 4K as well.
Very much that, yes. That old 2.00:1 master is like 15 years old. Crazy that they didn't upgrade it actually.
Very much that, yes. That old 2.00:1 master is like 15 years old. Crazy that they didn't upgrade it actually.
It is entirely possible that a re-authored disc would mean that they would have to drop some of the licensed extras (like the episode of The South Bank Show.) But, yes this is a case where they should have included a new Blu-ray with the proper aspect ratio.
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World Day to Combat Desertification and Drought
Eid Al Adha
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Martin Miguel de Guemes Day
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Juneteenth is also June 19 every year.
I have to say though, I never realized eating apple strudel had it's own holiday! I'm going to try and buy some on Monday.
Any Criterion movies anyone can think of that have apple strudel in them?
I really want The Criterion Collection to finally upgrade all of the following films from DVD to Blu-ray and/or 4K UHD releases sometime soon (preferably before October ):
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Fiend Without A Face (1958)
Giant Space Monster Girara "a.k.a. The X From Outer Space" (1967)
The Atomic Submarine (1959)
Goke Body Snatcher From Hell (1968)
Equinox (1970)
First Man Into Space (1959)
Jigoku (1960)
Genocide (1968)
The Face Of Another (1966)
Corridors Of Blood (1958)
The Haunted Strangler (1958)
The Living Skeleton (1968)
It's very unlikely any of these will actually happen but still, it's worth mentioning at least because you never quite know who's paying attention around here...
Honestly, I think you have a better chance of getting upgrades with the Eclipse set. Those have been slowly trickling onto Blu-ray, and I think within the next ten years they'll all be on Blu-ray.
You/Criterion said "reissued in a standard edition" as though it'd previously been in a limited edition, or one of those old dual-format packs, neither of which is the case.
Cast members (Jason Robards Jr., Mick Jagger) drop like flies, a prop ship is trapped in the rapids, and director Werner Herzog makes impossible demands: a riveting account of the crazed shooting of FITZCARRALDO, with unhinged star Klaus Kinski, and Herzog haranguing hundreds of indigenous people to pull a 320-ton steamship over a small mountain. Anchored by an as-it-was-happening interview with Herzog himself, as he details his unflinching vision for a project that took four years to pull off. Restored in 6.6K resolution.
Restoration executive produced by Harrod Blank. Funded by Les Blank Films, Inc.
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Why did they do a 6.6K restoration for Burden of Dreams? That's overkill for 16mm. Is the final output 6.6K or did they do 6.6K scans for a 4K output?
I think the real question is when does it stop being informative and start getting into confusing mumbo jumbo that it just meant to make us pounce on it.
Somewhere on this site, someone posted a chart (which you can debate all you want) that said 8mm formats cap out somewhere around 2K, 16mm caps around 3K-4K, spherical 35mm is around 3.5K-5K, horizontal 35mm and anamorphic 35mm is somewhere at 6K-8K, 70mm is 8K-12K, and IMAX is literally 18K, as is the equipment it runs on.
I don't know where the author got their numbers though, but I'd sure like to know.
The only 16mm things I've seen on either 4K mastered Blu-rays or native 4K UHDs are the John Waters films (all Blu-ray), Dog Soldiers (4K and 2022 Blu-ray from Shout), and The Evil Dead (4K and 2018 Blu-ray). I didn't see anything wrong with them. PQ wise I was impressed for different reasons with all of them, but none were candidates for disc of the year.
Will 6.6K resolution give Burden Of Dreams a better presentation than the other films that were 4K across the board? It's debatable. Most likely if you have a screen that's both insanely huge (think that big b*tch at Best Buy that's an arm and a leg) and insanely high resolution (at least 8K), and the film gets a UHD or a native 8K release, you'll see some difference. Not a lot of difference, not a noticeable difference, but possibly some.
The insanely high resolutions have more potential on the professional level. I don't know anyone who's over 4K at anything. I also don't see any >4K resolution hardware moving because people want to see Burden Of Dreams in the best possible quality.
Film Forum's July-September Schedule (PDF) is up. Plenty of exiting screenings, and programs included. There's going to be a retrospective on Jean-Pierre Melville, including a recent 4K restoration of Army of Shadows. Hopefully a Criterion 4K follows. In Late Summer, there's also going to be a 16-film Blaxploitation program, and a 19-film Spielberg retrospective including the 4K restoration of Sugarland Express.
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As far as Criterion titles, and potentials. We have the new 4K restorations of Seven Samurai, and Burden of Dreams, which were already discussed. They're also showing Ann Hui's July Rhapsody. A film made in 2002, but never released. Criterion released her film Boat People, so I could see them licensing this one too.
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There's also two Robert Bresson films from new 4K restorations: The Devil, Probably (1977), and Lancelot of the Lake (Lancelot du Lac) (1974). The former is currently on the Criterion channel.
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Pretty sure The Devil, Probably will be getting a release via OCN.
Not everybody is in a position to import. And an included blu-ray is still a selling point for those who haven't upgraded yet and want to future proof. Why wouldn't a company introduce a 4K to their market?
I never see the inverse of this.
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2 bee faire, importing is literally as easy as clicking a button these days from many of the same sources Criterion discs are bought from. They're even making their way onto Amazon these days. Maybe in the past yeah but now "imports" really have no barriers aside from some costing more and those shipping fees. I love my $30 imports from Orbit.
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I purchased The Long Good Friday 4K from OrbitDVD for cheaper than Criterion will charge for their 4K by launch (B&N Sale aside).
It has a slipcover, art cards, a poster, a booklet, high quality case, reversible art with "poster" art, and most likely better encode/transfer.
Every single person on the planet with an internet connection is "in a position to import".
The issue is, most of the people buying these titles are well versed in boutique releases. By releasing a title someone else already did, you risk the market already being cannibalized.
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Spot on mate. It’s easy to import both ways. I usually import around 50 discs from the US to the UK every couple months via Stackry. Easy as you like.
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I really hope The Long Good Friday isn't one of the Criterion announcements. I just bought the Arrow 4K which will likely remain the definitive edition.
Personally I haven't been all that excited for Criterion's announcements lately but Repo Man is a good sign, would def pick that up. Just hope we get some more interesting titles and not UHDs that have already been released by Arrow.
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Listen, you can define your purchase drivers how ever you choose and buy accordingly, but to somehow suggest that someone else is misguided by choosing to buy, or wait for, a US release in place of a UK release is a bit unfair.
While the monetary difference between a US release and UK release may not seem like much and here it's only a few dollars, $25 for a Criterion on sale versus the $29 from Orbit, there is the question of a US Blu-ray Disc and Criterion support/rewards.
So why not give the guy a break, and while we're at it, how about acknowledging the fact Criterion is introducing a wealth of new titles while many other labels are simply cashing in on the same ol' same ol' with 4K and swag cash grabs, and this is from someone who bought the Arrow version and owns many UK releases.
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Why do I need to "give the guy a break", I stated the facts of the product. I didn't personally insult or demean the poster, but 4 dollars more for a vastly superior product should be a no brainer. Anyone buying a 4K disc is an enthusiest. All I stated was that importing isn't a hassle, and is just as easy as buying from Amazon/Walmart/BestBuy.
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Enlighten me as to where I'm wrong.
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Personally, I feel Arrow will never be superior to Criterion as long as they continue their FOMO tactics of removing discs and inserts/booklets after the LE run.
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...because it's his money, not yours.
Furthermore, your opinions about 'superiority' are your own, and not an absolute based in fact. I've already provided to you three good reasons why a US buyer would prefer to purchase the Criterion in place of the Arrow, beginning with the fact it's $4 cheaper.
There's no argument here, as the cannibals amongst us are not going to prevent you from buying whatever you choose to buy.
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1. At no point did I tell anyone not to buy anything.
2. They are not opinions. Objectively, most titles available through both labels are superior from Arrow. That is not an opinion, it's a fact.
3. If you're going to use the 4 dollar arguement, I guess we wait til Arrow does a sale, making it cheaper than the US Criterion Release when its 50% off. so there goes that point as well.
4. You seem to be looking for an argument. As we are on a niche collecting board, talking about a niche label, on a niche format, I'd assume people would want the best product for the money. Anyone can buy anything they want, and at no point did I say otherwise.
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Unless you need the title day 1, I think the cost of the title is a non-issue. I think most people will buy Criterion titles during a sale. The main factors will be encoding, and extras. Arrow will usually have better encoding, especially when done by Fidelity in Motion. Extras are more subjective. As I pointed out, there are only 4 titles that overlap between Criterion and Arrow, hardly enough to argue over. In one case, Fear and Loathing, the two releases are significantly different enough that it will come down to personal preference rather than encoding.
I do think it's interesting, if not telling, that Repo Man coming to 4K is largely being overshadowed because of this silly debate, when it's a much bigger announcement than Long Good Friday coming to 4K.
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I’m grateful that Criterion is releasing Risky Business on 4K and according to early reviews, have done it justice. I personally have a nice mix and Criterion and Arrow titles. I don’t understand why someone wouldn’t import from Arrow though if it’s a title they want. Their 4K release of The Long Good Friday is literally a reference release.
Anyway, great news about Repo Man 4K. I’ll also be picking it up asap.
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Not everyone who wants to own these movies buy them from the likes of Diabolik, OrbitDVD, etc. They still buy from places like Amazon, Target, etc. That's the reality.
And, while it's not an issue for Arrow since they don't often include a blu-ray, but not everyone is Region Free and the added blu-ray is useless to them.
I've seen quite a few people on this site express their frustration with the lack of a blu-ray. They'd be even more upset to purchase an import where they can't play one of the discs, especially if that disc includes the extra.
Not everybody who's into collecting is region free and a region free player is an added expense to just upgrading a TV and/or 4K player.
That's always going to be the reality for a lot of people who buy discs. They're not all on blu-ray.com.
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Exactly this.
And yeah they’ve announced some great stuff like Risky Business, Le Samourai, Par Garrett and Billy the Kid, Blue Velvet, etc. (all I plan on picking up in their next sale - and really they’re the only titles I’ve been interested in that they’ve announced lately) but yeah many of their announcements are for titles that already have UHD releases - many of which have better encodes and better editions, be it Arrow or Second Sight - when UHDs are region free anyway.
All I’m saying is that personally, a lot of the stuff they’ve announced lately hasn’t interested me - they’re either titles I already own on 4K from UK boutiques (like The Last Emperor) or just titles I’m not entirely interested in. That’s all.
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Some absolutely fair points there. My point was when talking about blu to blu, or 4k to 4k comparisons. Anyone buying this movie strictly for the 4K version would benefit more from the Arrow than the Criterion. But if the blu-ray aspect if a must have, absolutely the Criterion would be a good plan.
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Thanks. Are you sure about The Others? The UK/international thread for it was made on July 26th, 2023, while Criterion announced theirs on July 17th. I believe SC had stated plans for physical releases when they first mentioned a 4K restoration of the film, but I don't think their 4K was formally announced until that date above. Minor fail on my part for The Three Colors. I searched, but didn't see any release besides Criterion, but the French release was only in...French..as Trois Couleurs.
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It sure seems that way to me in your reply to the OP when he provided the reasons for his personal decision to buy and or wait for a Criterion release:
As I noted in my reply, you are projecting your personal purchasing criteria as an absolute for every buyer. It's not, and that fact should be self-evident.
My advice is reconsider the above statement in the context of the English language. Perhaps it would be to your benefit to understand the difference between opinion and fact before you suggest everyone follow your example.
That point doesn't hold much water as there is a Criterion 50% sale planned in two weeks and an Arrow sale TBD. But as I shared my original post, it's your suggestion that the Arrow disc is the better decision right now, in spite of the fact the OP noted the importance of the included Blu-ray and a local retail outlet in his preference for the Criterion.
As I shared earlier, we don't have an argument because each of us is entitled to buy whatever we want, as I did when I purchased the Arrow.
Therefore, we should be also be free of the second-guessing absolutism that what's right for me is right for everyone else, especially when a poster provides a number of very good reasons for their decision, only to have them dismissed as un-important.
If you want to pay a premium for the swag and potentially better encode, good for you, and if someone else wants to purchase locally and receive the Blu-ray, good for them.
Call me crazy, but I draw the line when posters attempt to project their personal decisions on others with the knowledge of someone else's preference who is not asking for advice, just simply stating why.
Live and let live. That's all.
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I never did that, but you keep putting words in my mouth.
Looking forward to Repo Man. Hopefully some other surprises.
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They just released Peeping Tom (and The Tales of Hoffmann in 2022) and will presumably release The Small Back Room soon, I’d like to see them handle Bluebeard’s Castle, but some of the new restorations only just premiered last year and are currently touring the US in Cinema Unbound. Hopefully Oh Rosalinda! and Honeymoon (barebones UK releases by Network) at some point too.
Not seen anything official on GZ-1, I love both those two films but I can’t be too excited when I know it will be a low effort release (even though Drive My Car seemed to have some effort put into it) - but if they could include Gift I would get it as most people can’t see it with a live score (although it’s an evolving one.)
The Last Emperor also maintains the corrupted 2.00:1 aspect ratio on the BD.
Interesting when a film series ends up split between multiple distributors, like Meaning of Life being with Universal, great seeing laserdisc upgrades and wonder who will tackle Holy Grail.
Wonder if Eureka will handle Repo Man 4K in the UK, or a different label like Arrow, 88 or Criterion. Another recent Umbrella BD that seems pointless upgraded so soon after.
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Omg it does! I just checked their website. Lmao what a joke.
This is exactly what I mean with them announcing 4Ks but putting out inferior editions.
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To be fair, Arrow doesn't even include a Blu-ray with their current 4K release, so you could make the case that you get a bonus option in a different AR with the Criterion release that you don't get with Arrow, for essentially the same price. Criterion also includes both theatrical and extended cuts (and it's not exclusive to some Limited Edition), while the standard Arrow only has the theatrical version. With that said, I do think Criterion should be upgrading their BD's with newer masters whenever they release a title on 4K as well.
I'm gonna try to respond to all of this at once.
My big reason for not importing anything is that I still haven't gone region-free. Every time I'm about to buy a player, some shit hits the fan somewhere. My list of foreign discs I need (various tat editions, MoC discs including Metropolis, Alfredo Garcia, Shock Treatment, other Arrows, the DVD of The Devils) is mostly unchanged from when I wrote the list all the way back in high school.
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Welcome to Blu-ray.com. I see you're new here. In case you're wondering, this is basically what our site's all about. Flame wars, insults, insulting others' intelligence, sometimes one of us gets a little too vulgar or blue or naughty and gets in trouble (I'm an expert in that category), and sometimes we discuss movies too.
I'm sorry, but it's 2024, no excuse not to not have at least a region free BD player at this point. It's not nearly as prohibitively expensive like it used to be. And even then it wasn't like they were super expensive. I got my first region free DVD player back in 2004. A Philips, and even then it was only around $100 or so, probably less. I've also had a region-free Sony BD player for the past decade and it too cost me less than $100. Still going strong.
And the reason I say this is because if people can spend literally thousands on discs over the years but can't drop a fraction of that by investing in a region free player, I really don't know what to say. You're only limiting yourself as a collector. There's so many great imports that people are missing out on by not being region free.
And it's not like these region-free players are 10x more expensive than regular ones. If you're gonna invest in a BD player in the first place, might as well seek one out that's region free. That's all I'm saying.
4k discs are region free too. Whatever discs do have them they're a silly pothole in the road to drive right over. There's cheap ways to do it as well!
Translation: "I can't imagine anyone not doing what I do."
This "no excuse" comment is silly. Someone's decision to buy or not buy a region-free blu-ray player (or anything) is not your concern.
If you "really don't know what to say" about buying choices that aren't your business, maybe just don't say anything.
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I'm sorry, but it's 2024, no excuse not to not have at least a region free BD player at this point. It's not nearly as prohibitively expensive like it used to be. And even then it wasn't like they were super expensive. I got my first region free DVD player back in 2004. A Philips, and even then it was only around $100 or so, probably less. I've also had a region-free Sony BD player for the past decade and it too cost me less than $100. Still going strong.
And the reason I say this is because if people can spend literally thousands on discs over the years but can't drop a fraction of that by investing in a region free player, I really don't know what to say. You're only limiting yourself as a collector. There's so many great imports that people are missing out on by not being region free.
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