4K Movies Releases

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by saprano

No you wouldn't be good to go as there's hardly any real content. Unless you would like watching, sure to be, thousands of independent films in 4K. Ha.

RED hasn't announced any studios thats supporting Red Ray. And im sure sony won't be one of them. I would wait a few years before buying anything 4K. Me personally, i want to see what sony shows at CES. Im putting my money towards whatever sony and the BDA comes up with since that means 4K on optical media. Which is the best way imo.

The BDA tends to move at a glacial pace without prodding from individual membership, but to be fair, these things tend to be complex to bring to fruition.

Anyway, that raises the question…in terms of solid content-related announcements enticing to home theater enthusiasts, will the first month of January (CES followed by Sundance Film Festival) start the New Year off with a 4K bang or a whimper?

Place your bets.

[saprano]

Im guessing a bang.

I've read panasonic will have UHD (damn they actually got me saying it) displays at CES. Which im sure means alot others will too. Sony will definitely be showing alot of things related to 4K.

[Flatnate]

I finally saw the Sony VPL-VW1000 in action. Wow. Amazing projector.

I'll say this though, if there is a deficiency in one new delivery medium versus another then you will probably be able see it on that thing. The rep said he thought 4K Blu-ray would most likely be 8 bit color. That would be bummer, especially if we never see Rec 2020 colorimetry on any format as well. I'm still curious how the compression on RedRay will look on large screens, especially if they are going to use the system in medium sized format venues! I say this because I watched a few minutes of Tom Lowes Timescapes and with 4K it almost seemed like you could make out digital noise from the camera, or compression, or something in a few spots. 4K is great but it takes no prisoners when it comes to any video artifacts and that sort of stuff.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by saprano

Sony

In order to make imagery, especially motion rendition in 2D and 3D more life-like as well as, I believe (given my past discussion on the last page) *therapeutic* i.e. to truly cause significantly less of the predisposed population to experience *side effects* with 3D viewing, we should strive for all of these as a unit…

-ultra high resolution (4K) and high frame rate capture (240 fps)
-ultra high resolution (4K) and high frame rate (240 fps) distribution
-ultra high resolution (4K) and high frame rate (240 Hz) projectors and TVs (by that I mean a 240 fps source-inputting circuit).

Obviously, this will not happen at the upcoming CES, but I can only dream the youngsters out there who are budding videophiles get to see a 4K 240 fps distribution platform and display system presented at some future CES for anticipated public use, rather than just a prototype using an HD 240fps camera….
http://www.sbjtvd.org.br/2010/anais/..._3d_system.pdf

Initial steps toward the Holy Grail of more life-like viewing have begun...
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...52#post6857852

[saprano]

Originally Posted by Flatnate

I finally saw the Sony VPL-VW1000 in action. Wow. Amazing projector.

I'll say this though, if there is a deficiency in one new delivery medium versus another then you will probably be able see it on that thing. The rep said he thought 4K Blu-ray would most likely be 8 bit color. That would be bummer, especially if we never see Rec 2020 colorimetry on any format as well. I'm still curious how the compression on RedRay will look on large screens, especially if they are going to use the system in medium sized format venues! I say this because I watched a few minutes of Tom Lowes Timescapes and with 4K it almost seemed like you could make out digital noise from the camera, or compression, or something in a few spots. 4K is great but it takes no prisoners when it comes to any video artifacts and that sort of stuff.

That would really dumb if true.

EDIT- Where did you see the projector?

[saprano]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

In order to make imagery, especially motion rendition in 2D and 3D more life-like as well as, I believe (given my past discussion on the last page) *therapeutic* i.e. to truly cause significantly less of the predisposed population to experience *side effects* with 3D viewing, we should strive for all of these as a unit…

-ultra high resolution (4K) and high frame rate capture (240 fps)
-ultra high resolution (4K) and high frame rate (240 fps) distribution
-ultra high resolution (4K) and high frame rate (240 Hz) projectors and TVs (by that I mean a 240 fps source-inputting circuit).

Obviously, this will not happen at the upcoming CES, but I can only dream the youngsters out there who are budding videophiles get to see a 4K 240 fps distribution platform and display system presented at some future CES for anticipated public use, rather than just a prototype using an HD 240fps camera….
http://www.sbjtvd.org.br/2010/anais/..._3d_system.pdf

Initial steps toward the Holy Grail of more life-like viewing have begun...
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...52#post6857852

Im not looking forward to the hobbit because of the frame rate. I really hate that look. I don't get how anyone can prefer that over 24fps.

I really hope this isn't standard for all his movies. If he is making a Hellboy3 for example, it would suck if it used such a high frame rate and digital cameras. 2 no no's for me.

Digital cameras have their place. I like the way it looks on a few films, In Time for example, but it just doesn't fit some movies and to be the industry standard in the future is terrifying to me.

[tob]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Where is that thread?

the thread is called premier league new season penton man

[Penton-Man]

Thanks tob , maybe you can win me back as an Arsenal supporter.

Before I go there and start reading (I notice the thread is only 2 pages long, so I can catch up to speed quickly), do the folks there use spoilers?, because for instance, I haven't watched past the first half of the City vs United match and I don't want my viewing ruined until I get around to finishing it later this week.

[tob]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Thanks tob , maybe you can win me back as an Arsenal supporter.

Before I go there and start reading (I notice the thread is only 2 pages long, so I can catch up to speed quickly), do the folks there use spoilers?, because for instance, I haven't watched past the first half of the City vs United match and I don't want my viewing ruined until I get around to finishing it later this week.

no worries penton the manchester derby just came up in a post so you should go to the thread after you watch the match and i try to bring you back to arsenal

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by saprano

Im not looking forward to the hobbit because of the frame rate. I really hate that look.....

Try to be more open minded ...https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...43#post6857843

The biggest complaint I’ve heard about coming from my more sedentary colleagues who saw the early screening at WB was that there seems like there is a helluva lot of running around by characters in the movie....which made them feel uncomfortable.

[Flatnate]

Originally Posted by saprano

That would really dumb if true.

EDIT- Where did you see the projector?

Local high end A/V store and custom installer hosted a "tech fair" weekend. They had the Sony 4K set up, as well as the KEF Blade in for demo, both with factory reps. I'll happily PM you names and all.

I also had a chance to watch some some 3D on a Mitsubishi projector today. I could feel eye strain starting to build inside of fifteen minutes. I'm not down with 48fps for 2D, but I'm willing to give 48fps a chance for 3D if it cuts down on my eye strain. If 3D at higher frame rates stops the eye strain, great, otherwise I'm pretty much throwing in the towel on 3D.

[saprano]

I don't think anything will change my mind. That frame rate doesn't look cinematic at all.

[Penton-Man]

I know it’s difficult but I wouldn’t pass final judgment until you’ve seen more films with HFR.

At least wait for Jim Cameron’s next AVATAR movie…as I have a feeling you may be more easily amenable to that content shot and exhibited in HFR.

[saprano]

Correction in my post above. I mixed up Peter Jackson with Guillermo del Toro. We all know Jackson didn't direct Hellboy.

Im always mixing up those two.

[Penton-Man]

Well Sap and Flatnote, I think it behooves all card-carrying cinephiles to make a concerted effort to see the filmmaker’s preferred version (HFR 3D) of The Hobbit at their local movie theater if at all possible.

At the very least, if/when your young grandkids of grade school age are watching high rez/high frame rate capture and display as a matter of routine, whether it be at home or in the theater, you can always reminisce/brag to them while at the dinner table or sitting around the fireplace one evening, that …

“I attended the original widely-released pioneering debut into HFR feature film back in the year 2012"
…for which I’m sure some young whipper-snapper will innocently respond….

“Geez , grandpa, I didn’t know you were that old”.

As an aside, when you think about it, it would take some steel cajones on the part of Jim Cameron to shoot Avatar II in 60fps because that would require a helluva lot of post processing work by his post production team in order to churn out the 24 fps versions for the ‘traditional look’ which conservative cinema-going audiences are used to, and might perhaps insist upon, if P.J.’s foray into HFR fails miserably on an aesthetic basis with the general population.

I mean (as I mentioned somewhere on my old thread about a year ago in a back-and-forth with either I think sharkshark or maybe Anthony), you’re talking about applying some pretty complex motion compensation to the Avatar II 60fps acquisition….much more extensive and time-consuming than was done by P.J.’s team for converting his 48fps original capture for the 24p theatrical versions of The Hobbit.

[Flatnate]

I'm going to give it a go at 48fps 3D! If ghosting is minimal and the 48 fps keeps eye fatigue down, then my stance on 3D will go from cold to "meh" or maybe luke warm! And that's saying something too!

[Penton-Man]

Well Flat, in your case, if the HFR doesn’t help with your 3D eye fatigue, it’s truly a pity that P.J. and the distributor didn’t offer a 2D HFR version for public viewing but, I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a deliberate effort to exclude that option, after the past CinemaCon feedback…http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/movi...pp-gatsby.html

I mean if you’re shooting 48 fps to “give the "illusion of real life, where movement feels smoother”….helllloooo , 48 fps sure as heck looks more real, not just in 3D, but also in 2D….so offer it up to 2D fans too! The lack of a 2D HFR version is the real *elephant in the room* in my opinion.

I know Jon Landau of the AVATAR production (and maybe even Jim C.) has already gone on record saying that HFR doesn’t have to be exclusive to 3D but can also “raise the impact” of 2D motion pictures. True believers in the merits of HFR should not restrict it to the 3rd dimension format.

Heck, you know there are people out there who wouldn’t attend a 3D movie even if it were marketed as shot and exhibited at 120fps because they won’t deal with wearing the dang glasses in the first place, for one thing. They couldn’t care less if the HFR improves motion blur and strobing.

[Penton-Man]

Not quite sure what you’re referring to but; nevertheless, we are all happy to be of service.

[Penton-Man]

Hey, just so we can continue talking about The Hobbit, which honestly is a revolutionary motion picture in its own right, despite what I posted here...https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...18#post6864918

We can always wait for the 'official' response from Park Road and hope that there is a 4K master (with all the VFX up-rezed from 2K) hidden somewhere in the deep recesses of Middle Earth.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by tob

no worries penton the manchester derby just came up in a post so you should go to the thread after you watch the match and i try to bring you back to arsenal

My friend, I think you have your work cut out for you, after yesterday …
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...e-cup/1762287/

But I’m watching the rest of the Man City/Man United match this evening so I’ll check out your thread probably on Thursday...maybe Fri.