Panasonic UB820/UB9000 4K UHD Blu-ray player

[Geoff D]

The problem with the 420 is that it's a retailer exclusive model to Currys in the UK. Maybe you could find one on ebay, refurbs pop up at £79.99 from the Panasonic outlet, dunno if they ship outside the UK either though.

[Scorxpion]

Originally Posted by eddievanhalen

Thanks for the advice. Where did you get the 420 at this price? I'd like one for 120 GBP if they ship it to Spain. I'm thinking about doing a fast trip to Gibraltar, it's at an hour and half driving from home and I may find the 420 at a low price without paying any shipping.
But I'd appreciate if you could tell me where you got the 420 at such a low price.

you can export it from Amazon germany.

https://www.amazon.de/gp/offer-listi...&condition=new

[Pgcmoore]

Panasonic UB9000 / Oppo 203

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvWE...ature=youtu.be

[evoll]

So DV should be turned off and let the optimizer do it's job on hdr-10? Sounds like he was saying that DV loses some highlight's over the HDR-10 (optimizer) set up.

[dominica]

Originally Posted by evoll

So DV should be turned off and let the optimizer do it's job on hdr-10? Sounds like he was saying that DV loses some highlight's over the HDR-10 (optimizer) set up.

Are you referencing around the 14:20 time mark upwards when Vincent is talking about DV (Oppo vs Panasonic)?. If so, I notice the same thing with my players when watching DV content. The Panasonic is so much brighter vs both my Oppo 203 and Sony X700 when viewing DV content. DV is different with the players and not only the TV's. Also, when viewing HDR content on all three of my players you can't tell the difference, but with DV it's different with the same TV, plus I have friends who have same or different TV and the see the same among the Oppo vs Panasonic.

Dolby vision is fully controlled by Dolby Labs and not the equipment makers, why so many differences among the equipment when Dolby has full control of the DV process down to the code level?

[wildphantom]

I’m surprised having both the OLED’s Active HDR and the optimiser on is the preferred method here? Aren’t they kind of conflicting one another?

eBay have 15% off electronics code today so I can get an 820 for £245.
Currently have the Panny UB700 which has been great, but this optimiser on the 820, plus Dolby Vision is really calling me. OLED is an LG B7. Hmmm what to do!!!?!

[evoll]

Originally Posted by dominica

Are you referencing around the 14:20 time mark upwards when Vincent is talking about DV (Oppo vs Panasonic)?. If so, I notice the same thing with my players when watching DV content. The Panasonic is so much brighter vs both my Oppo 203 and Sony X700 when viewing DV content. DV is different with the players and not only the TV's. Also, when viewing HDR content on all three of my players you can't tell the difference, but with DV it's different with the same TV, plus I have friends who have same or different TV and the see the same among the Oppo vs Panasonic.

Dolby vision is fully controlled by Dolby Labs and not the equipment makers, why so many differences among the equipment when Dolby has full control of the DV process down to the code level?

Yes that was what i was talking about and i have a 203 so maybe i will watch DV disc on it and HDR-10 discs on the ub820 now. Going to do some testing tonight with both players and DV.

[tama]

The issue with DV playback doesn't sound promising.

[wildphantom]

Do we know what TV he was testing the 9000 on? Wondering if the display was causing the difference between the two players?

[WKoA13]

My 820 was delivered today.

Just to be sure (in case there is some deeper level setting I am unaware of)...

With an LG 6 series, I shouldn't need to "turn off" any HDR settings, correct? Since the 6 series do not have their own built in dynamic HDR settings, and just the standard HDR/DV options?

[dominica]

Originally Posted by wildphantom

Do we know what TV he was testing the 9000 on? Wondering if the display was causing the difference between the two players?

Look's like a LG OLED used for the comparison. Time stamp (13:13) in the video, you will see him changing the Contrast,. The TV stand during the video (example 4:17). Between my friends and I using (203 & UB820) with both Sony and LG TV's we noticed the Panasonic brighter in DV than the Oppo, but same/close with HDR, so it happens with different TV brands. Also noticed the loading screen (elevated gray) when you first start the DV movie (13:44). I thought my TV was at fault lol. I am very happy with the Panasonic. This comes down to Dolby since they control the whole process.

[sa5150]

Originally Posted by dominica

Look's like a LG OLED used for the comparison. Time stamp (13:13) in the video, you will see him changing the Contrast,. The TV stand during the video (example 4:17). Between my friends and I using (203 & UB820) with both Sony and LG TV's we noticed the Panasonic brighter in DV than the Oppo, but same/close with HDR, so it happens with different TV brands. Also noticed the loading screen (elevated gray) when you first start the DV movie (13:44). I thought my TV was at fault lol. I am very happy with the Panasonic. This comes down to Dolby since they control the whole process.

The Tv says Sony on it .

[wildphantom]

Originally Posted by dominica

Look's like a LG OLED used for the comparison. Time stamp (13:13) in the video, you will see him changing the Contrast,. The TV stand during the video (example 4:17). Between my friends and I using (203 & UB820) with both Sony and LG TV's we noticed the Panasonic brighter in DV than the Oppo, but same/close with HDR, so it happens with different TV brands. Also noticed the loading screen (elevated gray) when you first start the DV movie (13:44). I thought my TV was at fault lol. I am very happy with the Panasonic. This comes down to Dolby since they control the whole process.

I ordered the 820 this evening so should have it Friday.

I’ll be honest...with the UB700 and the LG OLED B7 I have seen issues that the optimiser on the 820 is clearly going to improve dramatically with HDR10.
Obviously I also wanted the DV capabilities so I’m looking forward to checking out how my DV discs look. Good to hear you’re happy with it!!
I just don’t get how the DV would look brighter from one player to another on the same display with a metadata standardised delivery.

[dominica]

Originally Posted by sa5150

The Tv says Sony on it .

He had a Sony TV when he was talking in front of the TV. However, during the comparison of the DV he used two LG OLED TV's ( look at time stamp 13:14) the contrast controls are from a LG not a Sony TV. Time stamp (13:38-13:48 etc) the TV stands are from a LG TV. He used the Sony TV when he was talking in front of the TV (0:37)

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by dominica

Between my friends and I using (203 & UB820) with both Sony and LG TV's we noticed the Panasonic brighter in DV than the Oppo, but same/close with HDR, so it happens with different TV brands. Also noticed the loading screen (elevated gray) when you first start the DV movie (13:44). I thought my TV was at fault lol.

That reinforces that it is a problem that needs to be investigated by Panasonic. Can't have everything!

[dominica]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

That reinforces that it is a problem that needs to be investigated by the player. Can't have everything!

Thanks for making me smile after a hard day...


My wife is still asking me why I have three UHD players connected to the TV.

[Geoff D]

So the Panny DV implementation is brighter and clipping more highlight information than the OPPO, eh? Who knew? Oh that's right, I did:

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I've been testing various discs and whatnot, will chime in with more thoughts when I've got them refined a bit more. One super weird-ass thing to whet your appetites is that the Dolby Vision performance is DIFFERENT between the OPPO and the Panny, at least in how my TV interprets it.

With the exact same picture settings on the ZD9 across the two HDMI inputs I'm using (making sure to use the 600MHz HDMI 2 & 3 sockets for the respective players, just for argument's sake) then the Panasonic is presenting a brighter DV image that clips quite a bit more of the highlight range, while the OPPO is noticeably dimmer in comparison but reveals >4000-nit highlight information.

While I can adjust the contrast on the TV upwards when playing the OPPO to achieve the same effect of the Panny, i.e. trading off highlight clipping for luminance, if I try to do the reverse with the Panny and lower the TV's contrast to sacrifice luminance for more highlights then there's nothing else there in the Panny's DV signal - even though that unresolved highlight detail is clearly there in both the underlying HDR10 image and the OPPO's DV output. So, at first glance, the Panny appears to be clipping the Dolby Vision output at source which is exceedingly ironic for a player that's built its reputation around its 'HDR Optimisation' credentials.

[dominica]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

So the Panny DV implementation is brighter and clipping more highlight information than the OPPO, eh? Who knew? Oh that's right, I did:

You are right again. That's why we allow you to stick around on the forum (smile)


DV implementation is all over the place. Everyone always blame LG, Sony etc, but Dolby never get the heat. Dolby controls the whole process and code.

[evoll]

I tried Mortal Engines in DV with the panny and than DV in the oppo 203. Geoff you nailed it again because with that movie on the panny and then putting it in my oppo the panny was def brighter where the oppo looked fine. Now I am watching the first mission impossible in DV on the oppo and will try it in the panny next for a quick check but I already know what the outcome will be.

[sapiendut]

1. HDR Optimizer is NOT applied on DV, so your argument is moot. There is no irony there
2. DV implementation of being all over the place is not Panasonic’s fault. Messed up DV implementation is never anybody’s fault but Dolby’s.