Panasonic UB820/UB9000 4K UHD Blu-ray player

[PUsokrJosh305]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

I said the colors were washed out/muted.
It needed the DV setting on to look bright and vibrant.

Then it sounds like, to me at least, that your TV does a better job at Dolby Vision content than HDR10 content. HDR10 content is static metadata. Meaning that 1 tone curve is applied to the entire movie. This is why at times the colors or contrast may be muted. Dolby Vision is dynamic metadata. The brightness, contrast, etc. will change on a scene by scene or frame by frame basis.

What companies have done to solve this issue with HDR10 content is have a Dynamic Tone Mapping function on their TVs to act like Dolby Vision. It’s not as accurate as Dolby Vision, but it works.

Biggest thing for you though is the HDR Optimizer Settings on your Panasonic Player. You haven’t said what setting you have it at. That setting on the Optimizer can help your TV tone map HDR10 properly. But you have to have it on the right setting. The reason why I’m saying this is that the majority of 4K UHD discs are in HDR10 and not in Dolby Vision. So you need to figure out what settings you need to have on your player and your TV to enjoy HDR10 content without complaining about it.

[BijouMan]

Originally Posted by PUsokrJosh305

Agreed! I can flip between the HDR10 version and Dolby Vision version of the films and they look just about the same to me. He also has to realize Far From Home isn’t a colorful delight either. The picture is a bit more darker than Homecoming.

Are you using an OLED or microLED display? If not, you may not see as big a difference between static and dynamic metadata. You can't change the setting without stopping and reloading the entire disc, so it is not easy to compare.

[BijouMan]

Originally Posted by eChopper

I hear ya

Don’t give up on movies

Grab an Oppo 103 or 105 and never worry about a movie freezing or pixelating again

For 35 mm films there is NO difference between the UHD and the Blu ray from the same 4k scan for resolution/ detail. Heck even for large format films there’s no difference other than slightly better contrast and slightly better colour from seated distance .
4k is a format where only you can decide if the headphuck is worth it

35mm film has a resolution of approximately 4K. Every other videophile would agree with me. And 70mm film often has a resolution greater than 8K!!! If what you're saying was true, I probably wouldn't have upgraded my equipment and stuck with my Samsung.

https://youtu.be/st985k9K2CE

DISCLAIMER: This video does not belong to me. All credit goes to Films At Home.

Keep in mind that he uses a Sony X900H and a Sony UBP-X700. When he made this video, he was using an Epson Home Cinema 5050UB and an Xbox One S.

[PUsokrJosh305]

Originally Posted by BijouMan

Are you using an OLED or microLED display? If not, you may not see as big a difference between static and dynamic metadata. You can't change the setting without stopping and reloading the entire disc, so it wouldn't be easy to compare.

My tv is an OLED, LG C9. I have actually seen a big difference between static (HDR10) and dynamic metadata (Dolby Vision). That’s why I have Dynamic Tone Mapping turned “On” on my C9 as well as using the HDR optimizer at the highest level (Super High Luminace, 1,500 nits) to create a beautiful picture. It has gotten me close to how Dolby Vision looks. I usually go back and forth between my HDR10 Disney Discs and Disney + since it’s in Dolby Vision. Other than a few small differences, HDR10 content looks about the same as Dolby Vision now!

[DocHalsey]

Originally Posted by Better in Blu

North America as well. Big surprise; now the discs which were problematic play fine.

Also grabbed this firmware update. I’m not sure if it’s causation, but I popped in a brand new disc of Invisible Man and have stuttering, freezing, audio and video issues about halfway through.

At first I thought it was the disc, but now I’m thinking it might be the player. What would cause this?

[IlCorvo]

Originally Posted by DocHalsey

Also grabbed this firmware update. I’m not sure if it’s causation, but I popped in a brand new disc of Invisible Man and have stuttering, freezing, audio and video issues about halfway through.

At first I thought it was the disc, but now I’m thinking it might be the player. What would cause this?

Did you try the disc on a different player? That would help to see if it is a disc-related problem or a player-related one.

[teddyballgame]

Originally Posted by eChopper

For 35 mm films there is NO difference between the UHD and the Blu ray from the same 4k scan for resolution/ detail. Heck even for large format films there’s no difference other than slightly better contrast and slightly better colour from seated distance .
4k is a format where only you can decide if the headphuck is worth it

To form this kind of opinion I think something has to be failing you - it's either the gear or your eyesight. Granted now, there are some uncommon instances where a UHD really doesn't offer much above its Bluray counterpart but more often than not the upgrade is clearly distinguishable. Talking in absolutes is rarely ever accurate

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by PUsokrJosh305

Then it sounds like, to me at least, that your TV does a better job at Dolby Vision content than HDR10 content. HDR10 content is static metadata. Meaning that 1 tone curve is applied to the entire movie. This is why at times the colors or contrast may be muted. Dolby Vision is dynamic metadata. The brightness, contrast, etc. will change on a scene by scene or frame by frame basis.

What companies have done to solve this issue with HDR10 content is have a Dynamic Tone Mapping function on their TVs to act like Dolby Vision. It’s not as accurate as Dolby Vision, but it works.

Biggest thing for you though is the HDR Optimizer Settings on your Panasonic Player. You haven’t said what setting you have it at. That setting on the Optimizer can help your TV tone map HDR10 properly. But you have to have it on the right setting. The reason why I’m saying this is that the majority of 4K UHD discs are in HDR10 and not in Dolby Vision. So you need to figure out what settings you need to have on your player and your TV to enjoy HDR10 content without complaining about it.

As I said, only Black Panther gave me an issue.
I had to turn off the DV setting.
I got know what was wrong with the picture, but it was horrible.
Splotchy, wrong colors, blobs of color. I should have taken a picture.
With DV off, Spider-Man looked good, but just faded.

But now with the update, everything looks fine. No need to change a setting.

[Tok]

Originally Posted by teddyballgame

To form this kind of opinion I think something has to be failing you - it's either the gear or your eyesight. Granted now, there are some uncommon instances where a UHD really doesn't offer much above its Bluray counterpart but more often than not the upgrade is clearly distinguishable. Talking in absolutes is rarely ever accurate

I think with most UHD discs from films in the DI era the only major difference is the colorspace due to UHDs 10-bit capability. Films are just starting to utilize 4K DIs while the vast majority in the last two decade were 2K/HD resolution. I can see why some feel like there is not much of a difference. Now going back to film elements 4K UHD HDR has a huge advantage over 8-bit REC 709 HD when transferring.

[PUsokrJosh305]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

As I said, only Black Panther gave me an issue.
I had to turn off the DV setting.
I got know what was wrong with the picture, but it was horrible.
Splotchy, wrong colors, blobs of color. I should have taken a picture.
With DV off, Spider-Man looked good, but just faded.

But now with the update, everything looks fine. No need to change a setting.

That still doesn't make sense though. The DV setting shouldn't make a difference on the Infinity Saga Black Panther Disc since it's only in HDR10. Unless of course the disc itself has an issue since Dolby Vision was removed. I'm glad it seems the update worked on it, but it just doesn't make sense.

The fadedness may be due to either how your TV takes HDR10 content or your Optimizer settings aren't set right. Again I ask, what do you have the Optimizer on your Panny player set at and do you even have it on?? Because if you think that Spider-Man looked faded without DV, that means that all of your movies that are just in HDR10 will look the same and there are ways to make them look more vibrant.

Btw, I'm not trying to bug you. I'm just trying to help you.

[chip75]

I think some folks don't understand what film is. If you jump from 2K scans to 4K, it's not about reading licence plates in the distance, you're not getting a more powerful telescope.

4K offers the most film-like representation of the source material, if you take a fantastic encode of a new 4K master and put the BD up against the UHD of the same master then they're going to be similar, but add on top high dynamic range, a wider colour gamut and superior compression and everyone of those releases are worthwhile to cinephiles and home video enthusiasts.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by PUsokrJosh305

That still doesn't make sense though. The DV setting shouldn't make a difference on the Infinity Saga Black Panther Disc since it's only in HDR10. Unless of course the disc itself has an issue since Dolby Vision was removed. I'm glad it seems the update worked on it, but it just doesn't make sense.

The fadedness may be due to either how your TV takes HDR10 content or your Optimizer settings aren't set right. Again I ask, what do you have the Optimizer on your Panny player set at and do you even have it on?? Because if you think that Spider-Man looked faded without DV, that means that all of your movies that are just in HDR10 will look the same and there are ways to make them look more vibrant.

Btw, I'm not trying to bug you. I'm just trying to help you.

It's weird though, no other movie or show looked faded, DV or HDR10/+... Just Spider-Man:FFH.

I'll look at the settings when I get home.

[PUsokrJosh305]

Originally Posted by chip75

I think some folks don't understand what film is. If you jump from 2K scans to 4K, it's not about reading licence plates in the distance, you're not getting a more powerful telescope.

4K offers the most film-like representation of the source material, if you take a fantastic encode of a new 4K master and put the BD up against the UHD of the same master then they're going to be similar, but add on top high dynamic range, a wider colour gamut and superior compression and everyone of those releases are worthwhile to cinephiles and home video enthusiasts.

Exactly! It's not always about the resolution bump, but the HDR, color gamut, compression, etc. Even 2K DI's can look amazing on a 4K disc.

I actually thought I wouldn't upgrade to 4K because I thought it wasn't worth it. But after knowing how much of a difference it really can be, I upgraded. And I don't regret it one bit! I love having the most film-life presentation of a film right at my fingertips. And if done right, the films look amazing!

[PUsokrJosh305]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

It's weird though, no other movie or show looked faded, DV or HDR10/+... Just Spider-Man:FFH.

I'll look at the settings when I get home.

I would also make sure that your player has 24 p set to "On." I made the stupid mistake of having that "Off" for a while and wondered why every HDR10 disc looked a little off when compared to the Dolby Vision version. Low and behold I had 24 p "Off" and once I turned it "On," the bump in color happened. When off, the color space is in 8 bit instead of 10 or 12 bit. Now, everything looks exactly like it should be on my LG C9 and I couldn't be happier!

[Savanti]

Originally Posted by Tuc0

So does this effect the regionfreedom mod? Thanks!

Edit: I see they now have one for 1.69

I’m digging through my emails trying to find this - how do you go about getting the updated firmware from regionfreedom? Do they offer a free upgrade or does it require another “donation” to get this update from them?

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Savanti

I’m digging through my emails trying to find this - how do you go about getting the updated firmware from regionfreedom? Do they offer a free upgrade or does it require another “donation” to get this update from them?

There's a fee, it's not as high as the original mod. I think it's £8-12.

[Tuc0]

Yeah for me it was 20 euro after I got an update code from them.

[Scottishguy]

[Scottishguy]

For lolz I tried the defective Donnie Darko theatrical disc. Suprsingly the stuttering issue is vastly improved, almost non existent in parts. Hmm.

[thebob8530]

FYI- I found this generic remote on ebay for $12.99. It is based on the 9000 remote and works on my 820. It lights up and has everything but the hdr optimizer button. Requires no setup.

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