The Criterion Collection

[regeyer]

Originally Posted by mmarczi

Far more people watch DVDs than UHDs

Far more people watch DVDs than Blu-Rays and UHDs combined. That's just the way it is. And those numbers are not going to change. Streaming is becoming more and more popular and eventually physical media will almost disappear. Criterion was smart to create the Criterion Channel.

[tama]

Originally Posted by Vigojean

You guys talk way too much about 4K. I'm ok with Barry Lyndon on Blu-ray. It got a 4K transfer. That's good enough. There's movies out there that don't even have a decent Blu-ray release, let alone 4K. You're seriously not grateful that we have Detour and Bigger Than Life and the Jean Vigo collection on Blu-ray? You need them all on 4K to be happy?

Yes. And I want more. More UHD por favor.

[ShellOilJunior]

The Kane replacement blu-rays are starting to go out. I received an email last night that the replacement will be shipped on 12/20 via USPS media mail.

[randian]

Is is reasonable to assume that future Citizen Kane 4k orders from criterion.com will not be the defective version?

[bergman864]

Originally Posted by randian

Is is reasonable to assume that future Citizen Kane 4k orders from criterion.com will not be the defective version?

Yep. That's why they pulled stock.

[Smegma]

Originally Posted by Scholer

And these are Criterion UHD sales for which title?

If you don't accept the overall format sales statistics, why not just narrow your "gotcha" criteria even further?
"And these are the November 2021 Criterion 50% off sale percentages for discs sold to blu-ray.com user Scholer?"

Oh... That suddenly changes everything.

[andantelise]

I've noticed that Criterion's discs have arrived much more scratched than before lately. Their quality control is kind of crappy. They're ok when it comes to exchanging some things, but when it's a whole order I don't know how they would respond (like my most recent order from B&N). Luckily, B&N were able to replace various discs that arrived scratched as hell ( I think they may have been using them as pen testers).

[WillieMLF]

Originally Posted by Vigojean

You guys talk way too much about 4K. I'm ok with Barry Lyndon on Blu-ray. It got a 4K transfer. That's good enough. There's movies out there that don't even have a decent Blu-ray release, let alone 4K. You're seriously not grateful that we have Detour and Bigger Than Life and the Jean Vigo collection on Blu-ray? You need them all on 4K to be happy?

And not every title needs to be be in 4K, but I digress.

[regeyer]

Originally Posted by WillieMLF

And not every title needs to be be in 4K, but I digress.

I would go even further and say that no title needs to be in 4K. Is there a 4K advantage? Yes. And one can see that with certain titles and on certain HDTVs. But the size of the screen, sitting distance, and other environmental factors also come into play. The reality is that, not matter how much the movie reviewer praises a new 4K release, the actual difference between the UHD and the Blu-Ray is almost never dramatic. Can you see the difference? Yes. But it's not huge. It's not the same difference that one saw going from VHS to DVD, or even DVD to Blu-Ray.

[tama]

[bergman864]

Originally Posted by regeyer

I would go even further and say that no title needs to be in 4K. Is there a 4K advantage? Yes. And one can see that with certain titles and on certain HDTVs. But the size of the screen, sitting distance, and other environmental factors also come into play. The reality is that, not matter how much the movie reviewer praises a new 4K release, the actual difference between the UHD and the Blu-Ray is almost never dramatic. Can you see the difference? Yes. But it's not huge. It's not the same difference that one saw going from VHS to DVD, or even DVD to Blu-Ray.

Given their both HD forms (UHD/BD) that's true. But, like DVD to Blu-ray, the differences are there and, when done right, the differences are more than just negligible.

People buy remastered BDs because they want that uptick in detail. They want better color representation and a more accurate look (especially for UHDs).

Because BDs are high definition, unfortunately there are way too many "HD masters" made for DVDs slapped on Blu-rays. 4K can, and usually does, rectify that. A 4K disc, when done right, is better than its 1080p counterpart. Even when it's the same transfer on both.

[regeyer]

Originally Posted by bergman864

Given their both HD forms (UHD/BD) that's true. But, like DVD to Blu-ray, the differences are there and, when done right, the differences are more than just negligible.

People buy remastered BDs because they want that uptick in detail. They want better color representation and a more accurate look (especially for UHDs).

Because BDs are high definition, unfortunately there are way too many "HD masters" made for DVDs slapped on Blu-rays. 4K can, and usually does, rectify that. A 4K disc, when done right, is better than its 1080p counterpart. Even when it's the same transfer on both.

I'm not saying there is no difference. And when 4K is done right it is extremely impressive. That's why I have one of the best UHD players ever made and an excellent 4K OLED. I want the image to be as good as it can be.

But, if we are honest, we can enjoy watching a DVD or Blu-Ray just as much as a UHD. And for those whose screen is smaller, or they're seating distance is too great, they're not going to see much of a difference. I sit 6' from my 65" OLED. I can see the difference.

[DukeTogo84]

Originally Posted by regeyer

I would go even further and say that no title needs to be in 4K. Is there a 4K advantage? Yes. And one can see that with certain titles and on certain HDTVs. But the size of the screen, sitting distance, and other environmental factors also come into play. The reality is that, not matter how much the movie reviewer praises a new 4K release, the actual difference between the UHD and the Blu-Ray is almost never dramatic. Can you see the difference? Yes. But it's not huge. It's not the same difference that one saw going from VHS to DVD, or even DVD to Blu-Ray.

I have a fellow film collector who has been trying really hard to try and get me to upgrade to 4K. I have a 4K TV, but no 4K player? Why? Honestly, the difference just isn't that dramatic. Don't get me wrong, there is a difference and sometimes major difference. He almost sold me when he showed off Blade Runner, but when we watched Avengers: Endgame it pretty much felt meh.

The difference is huge when it's an upgrade master like Blade Runner, but when there is a Blu-ray using the same master it just doesn't wow me in the way Blu-ray did with DVD.

I'm obviously posting this in the wrong place as there are thousands of users here who swear by 4K, but it has yet to truly make me say that I need to buy all my films in 4K. It's just not that much of a difference.

[regeyer]

Originally Posted by DukeTogo84

I have a fellow film collector who has been trying really hard to try and get me to upgrade to 4K. I have a 4K TV, but no 4K player? Why? Honestly, the difference just isn't that dramatic. Don't get me wrong, there is a difference and sometimes major difference. He almost sold me when he showed off Blade Runner, but when we watched Avengers: Endgame it pretty much felt meh.

The difference is huge when it's an upgrade master like Blade Runner, but when there is a Blu-ray using the same master it just doesn't wow me in the way Blu-ray did with DVD.

I'm obviously posting this in the wrong place as there are thousands of users here who swear by 4K, but it has yet to truly make me say that I need to buy all my films in 4K. It's just not that much of a difference.

I think that's pretty accurate. And, yes, I have a UHD player.

[jshaide]

Originally Posted by DukeTogo84

I have a fellow film collector who has been trying really hard to try and get me to upgrade to 4K. I have a 4K TV, but no 4K player? Why? Honestly, the difference just isn't that dramatic. Don't get me wrong, there is a difference and sometimes major difference. He almost sold me when he showed off Blade Runner, but when we watched Avengers: Endgame it pretty much felt meh.

The difference is huge when it's an upgrade master like Blade Runner, but when there is a Blu-ray using the same master it just doesn't wow me in the way Blu-ray did with DVD.

I'm obviously posting this in the wrong place as there are thousands of users here who swear by 4K, but it has yet to truly make me say that I need to buy all my films in 4K. It's just not that much of a difference.

I haven't seen an example yet (I don't know anyone who has gone UHD, but one person I know might get there eventually), but I can't say I have the faintest itch to go through the whole process of upgrading. I'm more than ok with the current set up.

[Vigojean]

One last thing on 4K. Modern movies look good no matter what, so I don’t need post-2010 movies on 4K. But old stuff like Who Framed Roger Rabbit and Blade Runner, that’s a different story. You can’t watch Coppola’s “Dracula” in any format but 4K. Same with The Shining, Full Metal Jacket, and a Clockwork Orange. But Leon, Fargo, and Alien still look great in remastered Blu-rays

[Akibiyori]

I’m all for new formats simply because it helps keep the ball rolling on all of this but I find the handwringing over UHD pretty quaint considering the large amount of stuff I have that won’t ever get even a Blu-ray release. Not even a DVD release from a master that isn’t a pre-2000 analog transfer.

[Mnementh]

Originally Posted by DukeTogo84

I have a 4K TV, but no 4K player? Why? Honestly, the difference just isn't that dramatic.

The main difference isn't the resolution. It's the color gamut. Any old 4K TV won't necessarily have a decent wide color gamut. The difference is usually dramatic if you're using Dolby Vision or HDR10+.

[lostinlondon79]

Originally Posted by ShellOilJunior

The Kane replacement blu-rays are starting to go out. I received an email last night that the replacement will be shipped on 12/20 via USPS media mail.

Does this apply to orders placed via Amazon or were the Amazon orders sent out with the corrected disc replaced already?

[themp3000]

Originally Posted by ShellOilJunior

The Kane replacement blu-rays are starting to go out. I received an email last night that the replacement will be shipped on 12/20 via USPS media mail.

I was wondering what that package from New York was. It was driving me bonkers.