The Criterion Collection

[RevolverOcelScott]

Originally Posted by cgpublic

Listen, you can define your purchase drivers how ever you choose and buy accordingly, but to somehow suggest that someone else is misguided by choosing to buy, or wait for, a US release in place of a UK release is a bit unfair.

While the monetary difference between a US release and UK release may not seem like much and here it's only a few dollars, $25 for a Criterion on sale versus the $29 from Orbit, there is the question of a US Blu-ray Disc and Criterion support/rewards.

So why not give the guy a break, and while we're at it, how about acknowledging the fact Criterion is introducing a wealth of new titles while many other labels are simply cashing in on the same ol' same ol' with 4K and swag cash grabs, and this is from someone who bought the Arrow version and owns many UK releases.

Why do I need to "give the guy a break", I stated the facts of the product. I didn't personally insult or demean the poster, but 4 dollars more for a vastly superior product should be a no brainer. Anyone buying a 4K disc is an enthusiest. All I stated was that importing isn't a hassle, and is just as easy as buying from Amazon/Walmart/BestBuy.

[BoydR12]

Originally Posted by RevolverOcelScott

Why do I need to "give the guy a break", I stated the facts of the product. I didn't personally insult or demean the poster, but 4 dollars more for a vastly superior product should be a no brainer. Anyone buying a 4K disc is an enthusiest.

“Vastly superior”? Lmao

[RevolverOcelScott]

Originally Posted by BoydR12

“Vastly superior”? Lmao

Enlighten me as to where I'm wrong.

[Flex_MythoMass]

Personally, I feel Arrow will never be superior to Criterion as long as they continue their FOMO tactics of removing discs and inserts/booklets after the LE run.

[cgpublic]

Originally Posted by RevolverOcelScott

Why do I need to "give the guy a break"...

...because it's his money, not yours.

Furthermore, your opinions about 'superiority' are your own, and not an absolute based in fact. I've already provided to you three good reasons why a US buyer would prefer to purchase the Criterion in place of the Arrow, beginning with the fact it's $4 cheaper.

There's no argument here, as the cannibals amongst us are not going to prevent you from buying whatever you choose to buy.

[sheri1983]

BORING, just give us Barry Lyndon and a bunch of unimportant other titles and we will be fine.

[RevolverOcelScott]

Originally Posted by cgpublic

...because it's his money, not yours.

Furthermore, your opinions about 'superiority' are your own, and not an absolute based in fact. I've already provided to you three good reasons why a US buyer would prefer to purchase the Criterion in place of the Arrow, beginning with the fact it's $4 cheaper.

There's no argument here, as the cannibals amongst us are not going to prevent you from buying whatever you choose to buy.

1. At no point did I tell anyone not to buy anything.

2. They are not opinions. Objectively, most titles available through both labels are superior from Arrow. That is not an opinion, it's a fact.

3. If you're going to use the 4 dollar arguement, I guess we wait til Arrow does a sale, making it cheaper than the US Criterion Release when its 50% off. so there goes that point as well.

4. You seem to be looking for an argument. As we are on a niche collecting board, talking about a niche label, on a niche format, I'd assume people would want the best product for the money. Anyone can buy anything they want, and at no point did I say otherwise.

[MifuneFan]

Unless you need the title day 1, I think the cost of the title is a non-issue. I think most people will buy Criterion titles during a sale. The main factors will be encoding, and extras. Arrow will usually have better encoding, especially when done by Fidelity in Motion. Extras are more subjective. As I pointed out, there are only 4 titles that overlap between Criterion and Arrow, hardly enough to argue over. In one case, Fear and Loathing, the two releases are significantly different enough that it will come down to personal preference rather than encoding.

I do think it's interesting, if not telling, that Repo Man coming to 4K is largely being overshadowed because of this silly debate, when it's a much bigger announcement than Long Good Friday coming to 4K.

[RevolverOcelScott]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Unless you need the title day 1, I think the cost of the title is a non-issue. I think most people will buy Criterion titles during a sale. The main factors will be encoding, and extras. Arrow will usually have better encoding, especially when done by Fidelity in Motion. Extras are more subjective. As I pointed out, there are only 4 titles that overlap between Criterion and Arrow, hardly enough to argue over. In one case, Fear and Loathing, the two releases are significantly different enough that it will come down to personal preference rather than encoding.

I do think it's interesting, if not telling, that Repo Man coming to 4K is largely being overshadowed because of this silly debate, when it's a much bigger announcement than Long Good Friday coming to 4K.

I'll be purchasing Repo Man 4K from Criterion.

[jedidarrick]

This debate is also overshadowing the fact that Life of Brian has new screencaps on the website.

[Smegma]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

I do think it's interesting, if not telling, that Repo Man coming to 4K is largely being overshadowed because of this silly debate, when it's a much bigger announcement than Long Good Friday coming to 4K.

I say this as a HUGE fan of Repo Man.
Repo Man is just an upgrade of an existing Blu.
Long Good Friday has been OoP forever and DVD only for Criterion.
Long Good Friday is the bigger release.

[JoelGoodsen]

I’m grateful that Criterion is releasing Risky Business on 4K and according to early reviews, have done it justice. I personally have a nice mix and Criterion and Arrow titles. I don’t understand why someone wouldn’t import from Arrow though if it’s a title they want. Their 4K release of The Long Good Friday is literally a reference release.

Anyway, great news about Repo Man 4K. I’ll also be picking it up asap.

[Shanghai Express]

This debate is also overshadowing the fact that Trouble In Paradise, Pépé le moko, and Spellbound do not have new screencaps on the website.

[JoelGoodsen]

Originally Posted by Shanghai Express

This debate is also overshadowing the fact that Trouble In Paradise, Pépé le moko, and Spellbound do not have new screencaps on the website.

It is also overshadowing the fact that Criterion were supposed to release SubUrbia (1996) years ago and it never happened

[eightslicesofpie]

Originally Posted by Shanghai Express

This debate is also overshadowing the fact that Trouble In Paradise, Pépé le moko, and Spellbound do not have new screencaps on the website.

lol dammit you got me excited for a second about Pepe

[Flex_MythoMass]

Originally Posted by eightslicesofpie

lol dammit you got me excited for a second about Pepe

They are, however, releasing a Pepe Silvia collection.

[koberulz]

Originally Posted by Scottie

I was told that they're in the process of reissuing it in a standard Blu-ray edition..

As opposed to what?

[Scottie]

Originally Posted by koberulz

As opposed to what?

Them having lost the rights.

Just received this reply:

In time, all Blu-ray/DVD dual releases will be available as a standalone Blu-ray and DVD release, or in some cases, just a Blu-ray release.

MARTIN SCORSESE’S WORLD CINEMA PROJECT will continue to be released in dual format (Blu-ray/DVD) for the foreseeable future, since most of these films have not received a release on DVD or Blu-ray disc previously.

[bergman864]

Originally Posted by Kyle15

2 bee faire, importing is literally as easy as clicking a button these days from many of the same sources Criterion discs are bought from. They're even making their way onto Amazon these days. Maybe in the past yeah but now "imports" really have no barriers aside from some costing more and those shipping fees. I love my $30 imports from Orbit.

Originally Posted by RevolverOcelScott

I purchased The Long Good Friday 4K from OrbitDVD for cheaper than Criterion will charge for their 4K by launch (B&N Sale aside).

It has a slipcover, art cards, a poster, a booklet, high quality case, reversible art with "poster" art, and most likely better encode/transfer.

Every single person on the planet with an internet connection is "in a position to import".

The issue is, most of the people buying these titles are well versed in boutique releases. By releasing a title someone else already did, you risk the market already being cannibalized.

Not everyone who wants to own these movies buy them from the likes of Diabolik, OrbitDVD, etc. They still buy from places like Amazon, Target, etc. That's the reality.

And, while it's not an issue for Arrow since they don't often include a blu-ray, but not everyone is Region Free and the added blu-ray is useless to them.

I've seen quite a few people on this site express their frustration with the lack of a blu-ray. They'd be even more upset to purchase an import where they can't play one of the discs, especially if that disc includes the extra.

Not everybody who's into collecting is region free and a region free player is an added expense to just upgrading a TV and/or 4K player.

That's always going to be the reality for a lot of people who buy discs. They're not all on blu-ray.com.

[ilenewoodsfan99]

Originally Posted by Shanghai Express

This debate is also overshadowing the fact that Trouble In Paradise, Pépé le moko, and Spellbound do not have new screencaps on the website.

Trouble in Paradise and That Hamilton Woman don't even have proper screenshots, just production stills.