The Criterion Collection

[lordmorpheus72]

Originally Posted by Mansinthe

that are the ones i have always a eye on. ;( i have no problems with stuff like game of thrones or forrest gump. they talk like on stage, really clear and easy to follow.
but now add some bad audio quality with maybe a odd way to talk and a strange accent and i might have my problems following the dialog.

I have the same issue sometimes, even went so far as to have a hearing check... apparently I'm fine they say. But yet, there are some discs, where the dialog just isn't clear, or there's too much background noise or chatter going on. I find the same with a lot of TV shows now as well... not sure why that is now, almost as if they muff it up on purpose.

[bwdowiak]

Originally Posted by lordmorpheus72

I have the same issue sometimes, even went so far as to have a hearing check... apparently I'm fine they say. But yet, there are some discs, where the dialog just isn't clear, or there's too much background noise or chatter going on. I find the same with a lot of TV shows now as well... not sure why that is now, almost as if they muff it up on purpose.

i'll throw my hat in here, too.. I have subtitles on nearly all the time. don't know if its because I don't have my HT properly set up... more likely is the fact that I don't want to miss a word of dialogue -especially if its an older film like the one Owl just mentioned - Scarlet Street where they use dialogue that his since been retired or in the British Hitchcock films where they use language that is not commonplace here in the States.

[The Great Owl]

Originally Posted by bwdowiak

i'll throw my hat in here, too.. I have subtitles on nearly all the time. don't know if its because I don't have my HT properly set up... more likely is the fact that I don't want to miss a word of dialogue -especially if its an older film like the one Owl just mentioned - Scarlet Street where they use dialogue that his since been retired or in the British Hitchcock films where they use language that is not commonplace here in the States.

I use the subtitles whenever I'm watching a new movie for the first time, provided that the subtitle option is available. I usually fare well without them, and, in fact, I usually forget that the subtitles are on after a few minutes into a film, but they're great for catching missed dialogue.

The lack of subtitles is my one and only grievance against Olive Films Blu-rays, but I've had no problems following the dialogue while watching the recent titles during my ongoing "film noir marathon." (I still have a good 15 film noir Blu-rays left in the stack to watch, but I'm expecting to be done around the beginning of the New Year.)

[bwdowiak]

Originally Posted by The Great Owl

I use the subtitles whenever I'm watching a new movie for the first time, provided that the subtitle option is available. I usually fare well without them, and, in fact, I usually forget that the subtitles are on after a few minutes into a film, but they're great for catching missed dialogue.

The lack of subtitles is my one and only grievance against Olive Films Blu-rays, but I've had no problems following the dialogue while watching the recent titles during my ongoing "film noir marathon." (I still have a good 15 film noir Blu-rays left in the stack to watch, but I'm expecting to be done around the beginning of the New Year.)

ok. cool. now I don't feel so silly or so deaf being that I do this, too! I mentioned it before somewhere in this forum, but the 'most unfortunate lack of subtitles on a blu ray disc' award goes to Carlos. I could use the help while having to make out the English language in 20 different accents.

[The Great Owl]

Originally Posted by bwdowiak

ok. cool. now I don't feel so silly or so deaf being that I do this, too! I mentioned it before somewhere in this forum, but the 'most unfortunate lack of subtitles on a blu ray disc' award goes to Carlos. I could use the help while having to make out the English language in 20 different accents.

I had trouble on the English language versions of the first two movies in the 3 Films by Roberto Rossellini Starring Ingrid Bergman box set, because multiple languages figure into the equation during a handful of scenes. I fared a lot better while watching the Italian language versions of the films.

[ShellOilJunior]

Originally Posted by bwdowiak

hey SOJ - how would you describe those films? I am curious about them, but hesitant to put them on a blind buy want list. are they lyrical like Pather Panchali? (saw that one recently) are they plot driven? (guessing not) to be filed under the category of art films? do they feature explorations of Indian culture? what can one expect w/ these films?

curious. thanks!

Churulata is more lyrical than The Big City which is tradition vs. modernity vs. gender roles.

[bwdowiak]

Originally Posted by The Great Owl

I had trouble on the English language versions of the first two movies in the 3 Films by Roberto Rossellini Starring Ingrid Bergman box set, because multiple languages figure into the equation during a handful of scenes. I fared a lot better while watching the Italian language versions of the films.

do they have an English overdub?

I'm not sure because I haven't seen it, but I think that there is an English language version of The Leopard, too. I guess that it is just an overdub track. ? or was dialogue rerecorded?

[lordmorpheus72]

Originally Posted by The Great Owl

I had trouble on the English language versions of the first two movies in the 3 Films by Roberto Rossellini Starring Ingrid Bergman box set, because multiple languages figure into the equation during a handful of scenes. I fared a lot better while watching the Italian language versions of the films.

Those are on my list for next week, I may do the same based on your "advice." Really looking forward to these! Also picked up the Eclipse Early Bergman set that I want to watch next week.

[jayembee]

Originally Posted by lordmorpheus72

Besides the Third Man, I've got a stack or 20 -30 discs to watch over Christmas Break, which starts at 5:00pm for me! I think I'm going to split the days up into genres, and one just Criterion release day.... but of course I have 4 Criterion/Eclipse releases that have 3 or more films. Crossing my fingers I get a lot of films in. (the wife isn't always a fan of sitting on the couch for 10+ taking in film after film)

Unfortunately, all of my film watching through the end of the month is going to be on Netflix. A metric shïtload of their offerings (including about 60 in my queue) are expiring on January 1st. I probably won't get through all of the expiring ones in my queue by then, but I'm giving it my best shot.

Originally Posted by lordmorpheus72

I have the same issue sometimes, even went so far as to have a hearing check... apparently I'm fine they say. But yet, there are some discs, where the dialog just isn't clear, or there's too much background noise or chatter going on. I find the same with a lot of TV shows now as well... not sure why that is now, almost as if they muff it up on purpose.

Funny, I just got around to getting a hearing check (I'm 60, and I figured I'd better see where I stand after a lifetime of rock 'n' roll), and while I have a slight issue with higher frequencies, my hearing is within normal parameters.

Anyway, I often have problems discerning dialogue, and depend on subtitling or captioning to fill in the gaps. I strongly suspect that a good deal of the problem is with bad audio engineering, where there's too much emphasis on the music and foley tracks, to the point where they are stomping over the dialogue tracks. It seems like this is mainly a contemporary US film/TV issue, as I seem to have fewer problems with vintage movies (and TV) and foreign movies.

Though with respect to the latter, I still depend on subtitling, obviously. Not to mention that not speaking the native languages, I can't really know whether I'm hearing the dialogue "properly" or not.

[The Great Owl]

Originally Posted by bwdowiak

do they have an English overdub?

I'm not sure because I haven't seen it, but I think that there is an English language version of The Leopard, too. I guess that it is just an overdub track. ? or was dialogue rerecorded?

The first two films of the Rossellini/Bergman set have English and Italian language versions, with subtitles. The Leopard has the original Italian version and an American cut. I have not watched the American cut of The Leopard, since the longer Italian version covers it all for me.

[lordmorpheus72]

Originally Posted by jayembee

Unfortunately, all of my film watching through the end of the month is going to be on Netflix. A metric shïtload of their offerings (including about 60 in my queue) are expiring on January 1st. I probably won't get through all of the expiring ones in my queue by then, but I'm giving it my best shot.

I have about 300 moveis in my queue right now, and a full 500 in my disc queue. I'll never catch up.. not until I retire at least. But that's something to look forward to I guess.

Originally Posted by jayembee

Funny, I just got around to getting a hearing check (I'm 60, and I figured I'd better see where I stand after a lifetime of rock 'n' roll), and while I have a slight issue with higher frequencies, my hearing is within normal parameters.

Anyway, I often have problems discerning dialogue, and depend on subtitling or captioning to fill in the gaps. I strongly suspect that a good deal of the problem is with bad audio engineering, where there's too much emphasis on the music and foley tracks, to the point where they are stomping over the dialogue tracks. It seems like this is mainly a contemporary US film/TV issue, as I seem to have fewer problems with vintage movies (and TV) and foreign movies.

41 here and quite a few rock concerts under my belt, mostly stadning down front or right in front of the speakers. And many a day spent in my buddy's car with Hard Rock and Metal blarring.... ah the days of a misspent youth. When I went for my hearing check, was sure I had some damage, especially in the higher frequencies, but to my surprise I was in good shape.

And I tend to agree about new shows and movies, they seem to be more prone to dialogue issues... I think they try to take too much advantage of 7.1 and all the "cool" things that can be done with sound and mixes now. So, I just flip on the CC and let it roll.

[StonesEGF]

Originally Posted by The Great Owl

The first two films of the Rossellini/Bergman set have English and Italian language versions, with subtitles. The Leopard has the original Italian version and an American cut. I have not watched the American cut of The Leopard, since the longer Italian version covers it all for me.

I've watched The Leopard three times, but I've yet to watch the American cut for the same reason.

Still... I'm interested in hearing Burt Lancaster's actual voice in the English version. Perhaps next time...

[JHas]

I've got 5 days off for Christmas and a whole bunch of new blu-rays to watch. Laura, Wild River, Johnny Guitar, Things to Come, Ivan's Childhood (haven't gotten around to watching the blu-ray upgrade yet), and plan on revisiting Kagemusha.

I really want to rewatch Novecento one of these days, a fascinating film that has Burt Lancaster in a comparable role to his in The Leapord. I am not looking forward to viewing some of the more disturbing scenes of the film though.... My goodness is Donald Sutherland's character horrifying in that film.

[Meek12345]

Do you all think that Criterion could/would ever release Kill Bill:The Whole Bloody Affair? As far as I know, there aren't any Miramax films in the Criterion collection right now. Is a partnership between Miramax and Criterion non-existent right now? It would be nice to have a blu-ray of Kill Bill with significant special features and a substantial book or booklet. However, Quentin Tarantino seems to be stingy with contributing special features for his films. Maybe Criterion could pry them out of Tarantino like they are trying to do with David Lynch right now.

[bwdowiak]

PSA, folks...
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their prices are pretty good, too. Sunset Boulevard for $11.59. I've got that paired w/ The Talented Mr. Ripley. don't know if that film has fanfare. anyway, one of my all time favs. of course, I'm 42 cents short of $25 though..

seems like a good deal though and thought I'd share.

[joie]

FIRST!!! "Ace in the Hole" is hinted.

Maybe it's the one from 2004, so we get something new.

[Oscar Rothman]

Originally Posted by joie

FIRST!!! "Ace in the Hole" is hinted.

Maybe it's the one from 2004, so we get something new.

Congrats. You win the internet.

[SammyJankis]

My second favorite Wilder!

[The Great Owl]

Originally Posted by joie

FIRST!!! "Ace in the Hole" is hinted.

Maybe it's the one from 2004, so we get something new.

If this is true, then there really is such a thing as Santa Claus.

[pedromvu]

It is true