The Criterion Collection

[jw007]

Okay, I'm finally finishing up on the King of the Hill release and watching Soderbergh's The Underneath tonight. I think its his 4th feature film or something. Didn't get the past reviews but I'm giving it a chance. After all, I need to take advantage of all the supplements to get my money's worth (I love when Criterion puts a 2nd film of a director's in the supplements!).

Can anyone name other Criterion releases that have a 2nd film of the director's included in the supplements? I can think of the 2nd Kubrick film on The Killing (Killer's Kiss)...and Permanent Vacation was included on Stranger Than Paradise as Jarmusch's first film... and then Linklater's first film It’s Impossible to Learn to Plow by Reading Books was included on the Slacker release.

I think this is a good question and I haven't seen it asked anywhere yet!

While we're at it, what is your favorite Criterion release that has 2 films from the same director?

[dtyner92]

Originally Posted by jw007

Can anyone name other Criterion releases that have a 2nd film of the director's included in the supplements? I can think of the 2nd Kubrick film on The Killing (Killer's Kiss)...and I guess Permanent Vacation was included on Stranger Than Paradise as Jarmusch's first film... and then Linklater's first film It’s Impossible to Learn to Plow by Reading Books was included on the Slacker release.

I think this is a good question and I haven't seen it asked anywhere yet!

While we're at it, what is your favorite Criterion release that has 2 films from the same director?

Blow-out had Brian DePalma's other film, Murder a la Mod.

[Trace17]

Originally Posted by jw007

Okay, I'm finally finishing up on the King of the Hill release and watching Soderbergh's The Underneath tonight. I think its his 4th feature film or something. Didn't get the past reviews but I'm giving it a chance. After all, I need to take advantage of all the supplements to get my money's worth (I love when Criterion puts a 2nd film of a director's in the supplements!).

Can anyone name other Criterion releases that have a 2nd film of the director's included in the supplements? I can think of the 2nd Kubrick film on The Killing (Killer's Kiss)...and Permanent Vacation was included on Stranger Than Paradise as Jarmusch's first film... and then Linklater's first film It’s Impossible to Learn to Plow by Reading Books was included on the Slacker release.

I think this is a good question and I haven't seen it asked anywhere yet!

While we're at it, what is your favorite Criterion release that has 2 films from the same director?

Haha actually I just asked it a week or two ago. My question and some good answers below.

Originally Posted by Trace17

So I know these Criterion releases have a second film on them:

Blow-Out / Murder a la Mod
Close-Up / The Traveler
Certified Copy / The Report

Any others like this?

Originally Posted by smoss469

The Killers includes both the original and the Lee Marvin remake.
The Lady Vanishes also includes Crook's Tour

Originally Posted by iScottie

The Big City / The Coward
Chronicle Of A Summer / Un Ete + 50
Grey Gardens / The Beales Of Grey Gardens
La Jetée / Sans Soleil
Jimi Plays Monterey / Shake! Otis At Monterey
Kes / Cathy Come Home
The Killing / Killer's Kiss
King Of The Hill / The Underneath
Lonesome / The Last Performance / Broadway
Slacker / It's Impossible To Learn To Play By Reading Books
Tiny Furniture / Creative Nonfiction

There are 25 films in the Zatoichi set, 16 (?) in the Frampton set, and about 60 or so in the Brakhage set.

A lot of Criterion's releases include the director's full feature length films and / or short films (see Charlie Chaplin films / Harold Lloyd films, and Wes Anderson films just to name a few), but the above list is only a few others. They aren't all identified easily in the database entry without going into the Review section.

[jayembee]

Originally Posted by jw007

Okay, I'm finally finishing up on the King of the Hill release and watching Soderbergh's The Underneath tonight. I think its his 4th feature film or something. Didn't get the past reviews but I'm giving it a chance. After all, I need to take advantage of all the supplements to get my money's worth (I love when Criterion puts a 2nd film of a director's in the supplements!).

Can anyone name other Criterion releases that have a 2nd film of the director's included in the supplements? I can think of the 2nd Kubrick film on The Killing (Killer's Kiss)...and Permanent Vacation was included on Stranger Than Paradise as Jarmusch's first film... and then Linklater's first film It’s Impossible to Learn to Plow by Reading Books was included on the Slacker release.

I think this is a good question and I haven't seen it asked anywhere yet!

While we're at it, what is your favorite Criterion release that has 2 films from the same director?

There are a lot of releases that have short films by the same director, but I suspect you mean feature-length films. And I also assume you don't mean alternate versions of the same film (like Brazil).

One that is arguable is Picnic at Hanging Rock, which includes Weir's earlier film, Homesdale. But it's only 50 minutes long, which some people might consider a short film.

Stagecoach also has a silent film by Ford, Bucking Broadway, that's also just under an hour long.

Paul Fejos's Lonesome has two other films by Fejos: The Last Performance and Broadway

Scanners includes Cronenberg's first feature, Stereo.

[The Great Owl]

Originally Posted by bstv69

Question: I purchased The Wages of Fear & Diabolique, but since they are on hulu plus I am debating exchanging them for, In the Mood for Love and Black Narcissus. Does anyone have any thoughts on this. (Not sure if this helps but I am a huge Scorsese fan, and the latter two films he has spoken very highly of)
Thank you in advance

For the love of all that is Good and Holy, you should keep your copies of The Wages of Fear and Diabolique. I'm not knocking In the Mood for Love or Black Narcissus, because those are five-star films as well in my book, but these two Clouzot movies stand a notch above those titles.

[Oblivion138]

Originally Posted by jw007

Okay, I'm finally finishing up on the King of the Hill release and watching Soderbergh's The Underneath tonight. I think its his 4th feature film or something. Didn't get the past reviews but I'm giving it a chance. After all, I need to take advantage of all the supplements to get my money's worth (I love when Criterion puts a 2nd film of a director's in the supplements!).

Can anyone name other Criterion releases that have a 2nd film of the director's included in the supplements? I can think of the 2nd Kubrick film on The Killing (Killer's Kiss)...and Permanent Vacation was included on Stranger Than Paradise as Jarmusch's first film... and then Linklater's first film It’s Impossible to Learn to Plow by Reading Books was included on the Slacker release.

I think this is a good question and I haven't seen it asked anywhere yet!

While we're at it, what is your favorite Criterion release that has 2 films from the same director?

King of the Hill also includes The Underneath.

[bstv69]

Originally Posted by The Great Owl

For the love of all that is Good and Holy, you should keep your copies of The Wages of Fear and Diabolique. I'm not knocking In the Mood for Love or Black Narcissus, because those are five-star films as well in my book, but these two Clouzot movies stand a notch above those titles.

Haha thank you, yea I realized I had them on my to buy list for a reason. I think I'm just going to have to sack up and buy the other two in addition. I mean for $10 can't go wrong

[deepbreathsanddeath]

Originally Posted by bstv69

Question: I purchased The Wages of Fear & Diabolique, but since they are on hulu plus I am debating exchanging them for, In the Mood for Love and Black Narcissus. Does anyone have any thoughts on this. (Not sure if this helps but I am a huge Scorsese fan, and the latter two films he has spoken very highly of)
Thank you in advance

Diabolique is well worth keeping but I would personally recommend exchanging The Wages of Fear for either In the Mood for Love or Black Narcisuss. The Wages of Fear doesn't get good until like 40-60 minutes into it (basically once the two men get in the truck) and the ending is kind of meh. It gets a lot of love but I found it fairly disappointing to be honest.

In the Mood for Love is a great film if you're into WKW's other movies or movies in general that favour mood and feelings over a strong plot. Black Narcisuss is a safe buy IMO. Beautifully shot, terrifically acted and interesting story. It's a P&P classic for a reason. It's pretty accessible and very enjoyable.

It really depends on your tastes but I have nothing but praise for Diabolique, ITMFL and Black Narcissus. All 3 are great movies.

[bstv69]

Originally Posted by deepbreathsanddeath

[Show spoiler]Diabolique is well worth keeping but I would personally recommend exchanging The Wages of Fear for either In the Mood for Love or Black Narcisuss. The Wages of Fear doesn't get good until like 40-60 minutes into it (basically once the two men get in the truck) and the ending is kind of meh. It gets a lot of love but I found it fairly disappointing to be honest.

In the Mood for Love is a great film if you're into WKW's other movies or movies in general that favour mood and feelings over a strong plot. Black Narcisuss is a safe buy IMO. Beautifully shot, terrifically acted and interesting story. It's a P&P classic for a reason. It's pretty accessible and very enjoyable.

It really depends on your tastes but I have nothing but praise for Diabolique, ITMFL and Black Narcissus. All 3 are great movies.

Thank you very much for your insight. I am going to try my luck with getting the other two for $10 that way I can have them all.

[JoeBuck]

Originally Posted by deepbreathsanddeath

Diabolique is well worth keeping but I would personally recommend exchanging The Wages of Fear for either In the Mood for Love or Black Narcisuss. The Wages of Fear doesn't get good until like 40-60 minutes into it (basically once the two men get in the truck) and the ending is kind of meh. It gets a lot of love but I found it fairly disappointing to be honest.

In the Mood for Love is a great film if you're into WKW's other movies or movies in general that favour mood and feelings over a strong plot. Black Narcisuss is a safe buy IMO. Beautifully shot, terrifically acted and interesting story. It's a P&P classic for a reason. It's pretty accessible and very enjoyable.

It really depends on your tastes but I have nothing but praise for Diabolique, ITMFL and Black Narcissus. All 3 are great movies.

I disagree strongly with this first paragraph in that while I love Diabolique, I think that The Wages Of Fear is the better film.
Recently I watched Friedkin's loose remake, Sorcerer and it only cemented Wages' greatness as I felt there wasn't nearly enough character development and the film suffered greatly because of it. It really made me appreciate that first 40 minutes of Wages as you really do get to know the characters and their relationship with eachother which is why the tension builds so well in the second half.
I love Black Narcissus and haven't seen In The Mood For Love, but my vote goes to sticking with the two you have.

[JoeBuck]

Originally Posted by bstv69

[/SPOILER]

Thank you very much for your insight. I am going to try my luck with getting the other two for $10 that way I can have them all.

Or that
That would work too.

[BluPat]

My partner and I went to Barnes & Noble earlier and I was wanting 'All That Heaven Allows' on Blu and he found it for me on an end cap. They had 5 of them. I looked for 'On The Waterfront' also but it was gone. Someone must've bought it because it's always been there before.

Anyway, the disc art and packaging of 'All That Heaven Allows' is so beautiful. Haven't watched it yet but love the movie and Rock Hudson.

[Oblivion138]

Originally Posted by JoeBuck

I disagree strongly with this first paragraph in that while I love Diabolique, I think that The Wages Of Fear is the better film.

I might have to agree. At the very least, they're neck-and-neck. Wages of Fear is a pure white-knuckle experience for me. And I like that it takes its time establishing everything. The slow burn makes the driving scenes all the more tense.

[CobraVerde]

Originally Posted by deepbreathsanddeath

Diabolique is well worth keeping but I would personally recommend exchanging The Wages of Fear for either In the Mood for Love or Black Narcisuss. The Wages of Fear doesn't get good until like 40-60 minutes into it (basically once the two men get in the truck) and the ending is kind of meh. It gets a lot of love but I found it fairly disappointing to be honest.

Of course, everyone has their tastes and opinions, but it's precisely that opening 45 minutes that MAKES the rest so suspenseful. The fact that it's so banal (but still interesting to me, anyway) and really establishes characters, location and mood. Without that, it's just like a typical 2014 movie with no setup and (thus) empty set pieces that are all surface.

Polanski used the same technique a decade later with Repulsion.

[pro-bassoonist]

Originally Posted by Meek12345

Hey Pro-B! Thanks for the review! Do you think that Criterion decided to use the recently restored print from France because they believed that they couldn't make any further improvements or that the film looks as good as it ever will since the original negative was lost? I'm wondering if the film will ever be restored or modified some way in the future. I plan to buy the Demy set, but this "bad" review of Lola's video quality is causing me to have some reservations about buying it.

Hello Meek,

I am sorry for the late reply. I just noticed your question.

I really do not like to speculate on such matters so I am only going to highlight a few facts for you, which I believe will give you the answer you need:

1. This is a high-profile project. This means that it is a very expensive one. In the French review from 2012 and in the new one you can see the credits where the different parties that made it possible are cited.

2. The French are obviously happy with the end result. And this is indeed a French project, though the majority of the technical work was done in LA.

3. You should keep in mind that this is a restoration and reconstruction of Lola. Again, it is a high-profile project.

4. The end result -- the transfer that is offered for licensing -- was approved by Mathieu Demy.



Pro-B

[jw007]

I just finished watching The Underneath (the bonus film on King of the Hill) and I really enjoyed it. Even more amazing was the interview with Soderbergh in October 2013 when he criticized his own film and even went after Hollywood towards the end. I really loved his genuine honesty and I think the man is a genius. He's totally a genre director, but I totally love how restless he is, and how much he likes to experiment with colors, composition and sound. He basically got bored with making movies and that itself is absolutely riveting and fascinating. It sounds like Soderbergh became seriously disillusioned and disenchanted with filmmaking and Hollywood in general. I found myself nodding my head in agreement while watching that 22 minute interview with Soderbergh talking about The Underneath, and how the film didn't mesh or connect, as color schemes were still being played with and tone wasn't quite consistent. F#cking fascinating sh#t!

[Tin Drum]

Originally Posted by CobraVerde

Of course, everyone has their tastes and opinions, but it's precisely that opening 45 minutes that MAKES the rest so suspenseful. The fact that it's so banal (but still interesting to me, anyway) and really establishes characters, location and mood. Without that, it's just like a typical 2014 movie with no setup and (thus) empty set pieces that are all surface.

Polanski used the same technique a decade later with Repulsion.

Exactly. Without the thorough intros on the characters you would lose the impact of the decisions made while driving the trucks. I am all for movies that trim the fat, but there is none in Wages.

[blkhrt]

Originally Posted by SammyJankis

Bong Joon Ho's DVD Picks - YouTube
The guy really likes his Criterions.

I love how excited he is to be there, because I imagine most of us would be the same way. So many of the people they show in the closet seem so restrained, which is just unimaginable to me!

[Ausjdm]

Originally Posted by Roninblues

Nice catch.

I believe Naked has a second feature on the disk also, it says "the short and curlies"

[Scottie]

Originally Posted by Ausjdm

I believe Naked has a second feature on the disk also, it says "the short and curlies"

Yup - it is one of Mike Leigh's short films.