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Rich Pure Doom · 10-09-2018, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MifuneFan

I'm not going to sift through yuor history to find examples, but let's just say i've seen numerous posts of yours where I'm either shaking my head, or facepalming (not unlike what I'm doing right now with your nigh ridiculous posts on the 2 films in question). So I've kind of gotten accustomed to just disregarding your opinion on film. I don't mean any personal offense though, we're all entitled to our opinions, and I don't expect all of us to agree on the same things. I'd say it's more the manner and degree to which you spew your opinions, moreso than the opinion itself that i don't care for.

So you'd prefer if I disliked a film in a more polite way? I said I disliked the films and stated why. What's the harm in that? I find that when people ask for recommendations, particularly in this thread, it's nothing but endless positivity. The films ALWAYS get recommended and there is rarely a dissenting opinion. I'm not trying to dissent for the hell of it and I genuinely find these films to be vastly overrated. I have on repeated occasions expressed my love for films just as much as ones I dislike.

Rich Pure Doom · 10-09-2018, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Reddington

"Hated" and "sucks." Film criticism at its finest...

If you went over a page, you'd see that's not all I posted....

Reddington · 10-09-2018, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich Pure Doom

If you went over a page, you'd see that's not all I posted....

Yes, but why not in your original, contentious, post?

Dailyan · 10-09-2018, 11:59 PM

Rich Pure Doom · 10-09-2018, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Reddington

Yes, but why not in your original, contentious, post?

These things take time.

StarDestroyer52 · 10-10-2018, 12:00 AM

I love both of them but like Onibaba just a little better. Speaking of what's the story with no BluRay release by Criterion?

AaronJ · 10-10-2018, 12:37 AM

While I don't agree with RPD's "style" of commentary much of the time, I have to agree with him about the manner of Japanese acting in general. It really doesn't appeal to me, either. Of course and obviously, there are exceptions. And it's only a different approach. To take a different example from another culture, I'm sure there are lots of people who just can't stand Tarkovsky's films, finding them so slow and ponderous to be intolerable (personally, I love his work). Every style or approach is not going to appeal to everyone, of course. Heck, I remember a friend I had a few years ago who couldn't stand Bergman, feeling it was far too introspective. OTOH, he never called out Ingmar's work, just commented that it wasn't up his alley.

I will say that with as little Asian cinema as I've been exposed to and/or own, I've found that I prefer Chinese films. For example, I don't think I've ever seen a film by Wong Kar-Wai that I didn't very much appreciate.

But yes, there certainly are better ways to criticize a film one didn't like at all than to say, "it sucks." I don't believe I've ever said that about even The Phantom Menace. I may have, but I hope not. I have, though, certainly said that it's the worst film I've ever seen in the theater. That one, I'll stand by.

Rzzzz · 10-10-2018, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Reddington

"Hated" and "sucks." Film criticism at its finest...

My favorite review of all time....

iamnoone · 10-10-2018, 01:16 AM

Sometimes a passionate negative opinion helps make a sale!

Thanks to RPD saying he hates Kuroneko (which I've never seen) and Onibaba sucks, that means I'll probably love Kuroneko, as I absolutely love Onibaba. I will now blind buy Kuroneko during the next flash sale. Thanks for the recommendation, RPD!

Kyle15 · 10-10-2018, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Rich Pure Doom

Onibaba:

Onibaba is exploitation nonsense disguised as an art film. Sure, the mask imagery towards the end is incredibly striking and there are the occasional slow motion shots of weeds (CLEARLY AN ART FILM), but besides that, this is a miserable slog of a film that is depressing to endure. This must've been quite the experience in 1964 Japan simply for the amount of boobs you get to see. Seriously, boobs are all over the screen for seemingly no reason at all in most scenes. It just became silly at a certain point. This is coming from a guy who loves boobs. This would've worked twice as well in a format similar to Kwaidan, at half the length. Onibaba is the type of cinema that deems it artful to wallow in misery that I just can't stand.

theater dreamer · 10-10-2018, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyle15

What is that at the bottom? A pair of hairy legs, or a Ferengi's head?

dwk · 10-10-2018, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by theater dreamer

What is that at the bottom? A pair of hairy legs, or a Ferengi's head?

balls?

jw007 · 10-10-2018, 08:23 AM

More importantly, look at the background... there's a bicycle... thus Bicycle Thieves.

SammyJankis · 10-10-2018, 02:20 PM

Phantom page for Kiarastami's 24 Frames.

Frogtown · 10-10-2018, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by theater dreamer

What is that at the bottom? A pair of hairy legs, or a Ferengi's head?

CODE RED DVD · 10-10-2018, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich Pure Doom

Onibaba:

Onibaba is exploitation nonsense disguised as an art film. Sure, the mask imagery towards the end is incredibly striking and there are the occasional slow motion shots of weeds (CLEARLY AN ART FILM), but besides that, this is a miserable slog of a film that is depressing to endure. This must've been quite the experience in 1964 Japan simply for the amount of boobs you get to see. Seriously, boobs are all over the screen for seemingly no reason at all in most scenes. It just became silly at a certain point. This is coming from a guy who loves boobs. This would've worked twice as well in a format similar to Kwaidan, at half the length. Onibaba is the type of cinema that deems it artful to wallow in misery that I just can't stand.

i always viewed the film as a Art horror film.

Rich Pure Doom · 10-10-2018, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CODE RED DVD

i always viewed the film as a Art horror film.

Unfortunately I didn't see either the art or the horror. I experienced the boredom though. What's weird is how often I've read people commenting that The Naked Island is either slow or boring, but I found that pretty riveting.

SeanJoyce · 10-10-2018, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by StarDestroyer52

I love both of them but like Onibaba just a little better.

Care to explain why? Not being contentious, just genuine curiosity.

Banned User · 10-10-2018, 05:00 PM

I respectively disagree. Onibaba is a masterpiece in nuance and atmosphere. It's never gratuitous or explicit. You seem overly offended by some slight nudity and obviously turned it into your main focus while watching the film when that is not at all the intent of the film.

The Japanese have a much less conservative view of female topless nudity and in many societies its no different then male topless nudity. If this had been male characters your outrage would disappear. Regardless the womens breast were never the focus of the film. It's pretty obvious the films not an excuse to show nudity as neither of these women are filmed in a sexy way, but actually dirty and disheveled. Living in poverty in a hot, sticky and steamy swamp area filled with susuki grass and stealing what little they can find from dead samurai's to survive. You wouldn't be that concerned with your clothing being buttoned head to toe in these circumstances.

Eitherway the film is about lust, sexual tension and greed and the two sexually unfulfilled, lonely women living in poverty and the man who comes between them. It is never done in a way to look overly sexy or exploitative.

The film is lush with symbolism and painted with hauntingly & beautifully lensed landscapes and beautiful widescreen black and white all with a minimalist approach. If you can't see the beauty and expertise in this film and why it is held in such high regard it's hard to argue otherwise. Kaneto Shindô has a long list of critically amazing films and to my knowledge has never been accused of exploitation.

yellowcakeuf6 · 10-10-2018, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dailyan

Trying to use logic and commonsense on RockyIII is like fixing a doorknob with a hammer...it won't work.

I get that scary feeling that I'm losing my mind reading those posts.

10-10-2018, 05:00 PM	#180479
Banned User Blu-ray Guru Member since:Mar 2010 4K collection:136 Blu-ray collection:2391 DVD collection:92 Blu-ray reviews: 5	I respectively disagree. Onibaba is a masterpiece in nuance and atmosphere. It's never gratuitous or explicit. You seem overly offended by some slight nudity and obviously turned it into your main focus while watching the film when that is not at all the intent of the film. The Japanese have a much less conservative view of female topless nudity and in many societies its no different then male topless nudity. If this had been male characters your outrage would disappear. Regardless the womens breast were never the focus of the film. It's pretty obvious the films not an excuse to show nudity as neither of these women are filmed in a sexy way, but actually dirty and disheveled. Living in poverty in a hot, sticky and steamy swamp area filled with susuki grass and stealing what little they can find from dead samurai's to survive. You wouldn't be that concerned with your clothing being buttoned head to toe in these circumstances. Eitherway the film is about lust, sexual tension and greed and the two sexually unfulfilled, lonely women living in poverty and the man who comes between them. It is never done in a way to look overly sexy or exploitative. The film is lush with symbolism and painted with hauntingly & beautifully lensed landscapes and beautiful widescreen black and white all with a minimalist approach. If you can't see the beauty and expertise in this film and why it is held in such high regard it's hard to argue otherwise. Kaneto Shindô has a long list of critically amazing films and to my knowledge has never been accused of exploitation. Last edited by Banned User; 10-10-2018 at 05:16 PM.

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10-09-2018, 11:59 PM	#180464
Dailyan Blu-ray Baron Top contributor Member since:Feb 2015 Location:Beyond the Blue Horizon 4K collection:197 Blu-ray collection:2248 DVD collection:197 Blu-ray reviews: 58 Trading Score:55

10-10-2018, 12:00 AM	#180466
StarDestroyer52 Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Aug 2016 Location:In a galaxy far, far away.... 4K collection:511 Blu-ray collection:3271 DVD collection:233 MA collection:5 Digital collection:11 Prime collection:1 Blu-ray reviews:1	I love both of them but like Onibaba just a little better. Speaking of what's the story with no BluRay release by Criterion?

10-10-2018, 12:37 AM	#180467
AaronJ Banned Member since:Jul 2013 Location:Michigan 4K collection:47 Blu-ray collection:624 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:1	While I don't agree with RPD's "style" of commentary much of the time, I have to agree with him about the manner of Japanese acting in general. It really doesn't appeal to me, either. Of course and obviously, there are exceptions. And it's only a different approach. To take a different example from another culture, I'm sure there are lots of people who just can't stand Tarkovsky's films, finding them so slow and ponderous to be intolerable (personally, I love his work). Every style or approach is not going to appeal to everyone, of course. Heck, I remember a friend I had a few years ago who couldn't stand Bergman, feeling it was far too introspective. OTOH, he never called out Ingmar's work, just commented that it wasn't up his alley. I will say that with as little Asian cinema as I've been exposed to and/or own, I've found that I prefer Chinese films. For example, I don't think I've ever seen a film by Wong Kar-Wai that I didn't very much appreciate. But yes, there certainly are better ways to criticize a film one didn't like at all than to say, "it sucks." I don't believe I've ever said that about even The Phantom Menace. I may have, but I hope not. I have, though, certainly said that it's the worst film I've ever seen in the theater. That one, I'll stand by.

10-10-2018, 01:16 AM	#180469
iamnoone Blu-ray Guru Member since:Sep 2012 Location:Antarctica Blu-ray collection:41 Trading Score:91	Sometimes a passionate negative opinion helps make a sale! Thanks to RPD saying he hates Kuroneko (which I've never seen) and Onibaba sucks, that means I'll probably love Kuroneko, as I absolutely love Onibaba. I will now blind buy Kuroneko during the next flash sale. Thanks for the recommendation, RPD!

10-10-2018, 08:23 AM	#180473
jw007 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jul 2012 Location:Between PA, NJ, FL, and the Middle East Blu-ray collection:628 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:5	More importantly, look at the background... there's a bicycle... thus Bicycle Thieves.

10-10-2018, 02:20 PM	#180474
SammyJankis Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2010 Location:Austin Blu-ray collection:664	Phantom page for Kiarastami's 24 Frames.

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