2025 Major League Baseball Thread

[R3P0]

Originally Posted by Terjyn

And Jeter was bad at it.

I get it, you are a Yankees fan, but trying to give credit to Jeter here is laughable to people who aren't (and paid attention).

Out of all of Jeter's seasons with the Yankees he was above replacement-level defensively twice. Once ARod arrived he was the second best shortstop on his own team.

Jeter's a great personality and leader, and was great offensively, but the Yankees would have been better if he'd been willing to move.

Uhh I suggest you look at his stats again sir. I am by far one of the biggest Jeter critics on these boards and as much as I HATE to say it because I just don't like Jeter, he is one of the top 5 SS to ever play the game. His range may not have been perfect for the position but you take his name off his stats and his a class 1 HOF player there is no debating this in any regard for anyone that has a clue about baseball. Yes they probably would have gotten further and won more championships had he moved to the hot corner about 5 years ago but he did not.

Troy Tulowitzki has the best Fielding % of all time and there is not much of a difference between him and Jeter at the position, .9856, he played only 9 years, Omar Vizquel has a .9847, Jeter has a .9763, By comparison the best SS of all time Cal Ripken Jr. his fielding % is .9797. Give respect where respect is due.

I now hate you for making me point out good things about Jeter, may your team never make the playoffs again.

[sycro]

Originally Posted by R3P0

Uhh I suggest you look at his stats again sir. I am by far one of the biggest Jeter critics on these boards and as much as I HATE to say it because I just don't like Jeter, he is one of the top 5 SS to ever play the game. His range may not have been perfect for the position but you take his name off his stats and his a class 1 HOF player there is no debating this in any regard for anyone that has a clue about baseball. Yes they probably would have gotten further and won more championships had he moved to the hot corner about 5 years ago but he did not.

Troy Tulowitzki has the best Fielding % of all time and there is not much of a difference between him and Jeter at the position, .9856, he played only 9 years, Omar Vizquel has a .9847, Jeter has a .9763, By comparison the best SS of all time Cal Ripken Jr. his fielding % is .9797. Give respect where respect is due.

I now hate you for making me point out good things about Jeter, may your team never make the playoffs again.

You're using fielding percentage? That only takes into account the balls you get to. It completely ignores the fact that Jeter gets to less balls than the average SS. It's not a secret that Jeter was terrible defensively. It even brought down his overall WAR. I think it was since 2003, he's cost his team 155 runs on defense. The next worst shortstop was around 75 if I recall correctly.

He may be a top 5 offensive SS, but he's not even close defensively. 3 great plays don't define the thousands of other plays.

And of all the games they've played, there's a huge difference between .98 and .97.

[Navster]

Originally Posted by Wingman1977

I kid I kid

[R3P0]

Originally Posted by sycro

You're using fielding percentage? That only takes into account the balls you get to. It completely ignores the fact that Jeter gets to less balls than the average SS. It's not a secret that Jeter was terrible defensively. It even brought down his overall WAR. I think it was since 2003, he's cost his team 155 runs on defense. The next worst shortstop was around 75 if I recall correctly.

He may be a top 5 offensive SS, but he's not even close defensively. 3 great plays don't define the thousands of other plays.

And of all the games they've played, there's a huge difference between .98 and .97.

If I recall he was also injured during some of those seasons sycro. I never claimed him to be a fantastic fielding SS, he is still arguably one of baseballs top 5 shortstops in history overall. If you also lok at my post I did say at least the last 5 years or so he should have moved to the hot corner. We know for a fact based on age anyone is going to decline. Visquel played 24-25 years which will be 4-5 years longer then Jeter, the top SS in % only played 9 years in MLB, Ripken arguably the greatest SS of all time was also a .97 and played 19-20 years I believe. So were talking the same amount of games roughly here overall.

As for your 2003 stat when his WAR was low yes he was injured in 03, his WAR was 4.8 indiciative of the fact he only played 119 games, the next year he rebounded to a 5.3 (2004) to a 6.5 (2005) then a 7.1 (2006). I agree his range was not fantastic and he stayed at the position to long, but you look at the stats of him in healthy years he is comparable to other great SS year for year.

[sycro]

Originally Posted by R3P0

If I recall he was also injured during some of those seasons sycro. I never claimed him to be a fantastic fielding SS, he is still arguably one of baseballs top 5 shortstops in history overall. If you also lok at my post I did say at least the last 5 years or so he should have moved to the hot corner. We know for a fact based on age anyone is going to decline. Visquel played 24-25 years which will be 4-5 years longer then Jeter, the top SS in % only played 9 years in MLB, Ripken arguably the greatest SS of all time was also a .97 and played 19-20 years I believe. So were talking the same amount of games roughly here overall.

As for your 2003 stat when his WAR was low yes he was injured in 03, his WAR was 4.8 indiciative of the fact he only played 119 games, the next year he rebounded to a 5.3 (2004) to a 6.5 (2005) then a 7.1 (2006). I agree his range was not fantastic and he stayed at the position to long, but you look at the stats of him in healthy years he is comparable to other great SS year for year.

Offensively top 5. Defense has always been poor. Ripken was also not known for defense. He's a top SS entirely for what he did offensively at the position. Ozzie is a top SS entirely for defense.

[Navster]

With the Brewers loss the Giants have clinched a wild card spot, Pirates have owned us all year but hopefully we can pull out that 1 game playoff

Giants

[walruswarrior]

I don't recall sycro making the longevity argument when it came to Glavine or Maddux....

Probably still salty over those two WS losses

[Navster]

Originally Posted by walruswarrior

I don't recall sycro making the longevity argument when it came to Glavine or Maddux....

Probably still salty over those two WS losses

[Wingman1977]

Originally Posted by walruswarrior

I don't recall sycro making the longevity argument when it came to Glavine or Maddux....

Probably still salty over those two WS losses

[fatediesel]

Phil Hughes, who fell .1 inning short of triggering a $500,000 bonus for pitching 210 innings, turned down an offer from the Twins to pitch in relief this weekend.

[Wingman1977]

Originally Posted by fatediesel

Phil Hughes, who fell .1 inning short of triggering a $500,000 bonus for pitching 210 innings, turned down an offer from the Twins to pitch in relief this weekend.

Commendable. Not sure many people would do the same though.

[sycro]

Originally Posted by walruswarrior

I don't recall sycro making the longevity argument when it came to Glavine or Maddux....

Probably still salty over those two WS losses

They have multiple Cy Youngs and some of the best single seasons ever to back them up. Take away 5 seasons from each, and theyre in the Hall.

Jeter was solid offensively for a long time. Take away 5 years, and he's not making the Hall.

[walruswarrior]

Originally Posted by sycro

They have multiple Cy Youngs and some of the best single seasons ever to back them up. Take away 5 seasons from each, and theyre in the Hall.

Jeter was solid offensively for a long time. Take away 5 years, and he's not making the Hall.

Still makes it because of his postseason numbers

Jeter could have retired 5 years ago and he'd still be a first ballot guy

[sycro]

Originally Posted by walruswarrior

Still makes it because of his postseason numbers

Jeter could have retired 5 years ago and he'd still be a first ballot guy

3000 hits is what got him in.

[walruswarrior]

Originally Posted by sycro

3000 hits is what got him in.

Wow!

Clueless smh....

[sycro]

Originally Posted by walruswarrior

Wow!

Clueless smh....

So why isn't Bernie Williams in the HoF? Nobody makes the HoF because of the postseason.

Like I've said... my only question is why is Jeter given a god-like status? He won 4 in his first 5 years surrounded by talent. Then when he was the captain, his teams managed to win 1 with $200 million payrolls. Jeter is a very good player, but he's not even close to the best we've seen during his time.

[and yes, I know the Braves only won 1 during their entire run, and I don't care. this isn't about who won more titles. it's an honest question about the elevated status Jeter has been put on, ahead of others on his teams that have had much larger roles in the team winning the championships in most cases. yes, he was fantastic in the World Series, but he was only the best player on 1 of the 5 championship teams during the regular season (99)]

[filmnut5]

Originally Posted by Wingman1977

Commendable. Not sure many people would do the same though.

Not commendable.....but definitely STUPID. Get 1 out and here's a 1/2 million bucks. This guy has sh*t for brains.

Originally Posted by walruswarrior

I don't recall sycro making the longevity argument when it came to Glavine or Maddux....

Probably still salty over those two WS losses

16 straight post season appearances and 1 ring.

[Wingman1977]

Originally Posted by filmnut5

Not commendable.....but definitely STUPID. Get 1 out and here's a 1/2 million bucks. This guy has sh*t for brains.



16 straight post season appearances and 1 ring.

Money must not be everything to him.

[sycro]

Originally Posted by filmnut5

Not commendable.....but definitely STUPID. Get 1 out and here's a 1/2 million bucks. This guy has sh*t for brains.



16 straight post season appearances and 1 ring.

Was I alive the last time the Browns made the playoffs?

[walruswarrior]

Originally Posted by sycro

So why isn't Bernie Williams in the HoF? Nobody makes the HoF because of the postseason.

Like I've said... my only question is why is Jeter given a god-like status? He won 4 in his first 5 years surrounded by talent. Then when he was the captain, his teams managed to win 1 with $200 million payrolls. Jeter is a very good player, but he's not even close to the best we've seen during his time.

[and yes, I know the Braves only won 1 during their entire run, and I don't care. this isn't about who won more titles. it's an honest question about the elevated status Jeter has been put on, ahead of others on his teams that have had much larger roles in the team winning the championships in most cases. yes, he was fantastic in the World Series, but he was only the best player on 1 of the 5 championship teams during the regular season (99)]

99 and 2009 (when he should have won the MVP). Additionally, there are only 3 players in the history of the game that have more 200 hit seasons than Jeter.

Who said that Jeter was the best of his era? I certainly didn't.

lol again it seems like you're salty Jeter is given this status and the people you cheered for weren't. He won and he won a lot something your Braves did not. He wasn't a secondary piece like Bernie Williams. Bernie doesn't have the pedigree that Jeter has. For you to ask that question shows just how clueless you are in this regard.

Lastly payrolls are not the end all be all otherwise the Angels and Dodgers should be winning a lot more than they have....