2025 Major League Baseball Thread

[fatediesel]

Has anyone ever been suspended for roids and not said it was for a medical condition and doctor prescribed or that they thought it was legal? If you have a medical condition, talk to MLB, explain the situation, and try to get them to approve your use.

[hc666]

Originally Posted by fatediesel

Has anyone ever been suspended for roids and not said it was for a medical condition and doctor prescribed or that they thought it was legal? If you have a medical condition, talk to MLB, explain the situation, and try to get them to approve your use.

Yeah it's so obvious, they go into damage control when they should just admit what they did and move on.

I'm very disappointed... another sad day for baseball

[ludawg23]

By far the biggest name ever to be suspended in MLB.

Kind of makes you question Pujols, Howard etc.

Never in a million years would I expect Manny to be busted for PEDs...considering he's one of the best pure hitters in the game. Or was at least...

[brettallica]

Originally Posted by hc666

I'm very disappointed... another sad day for baseball

Very sad indeed. I guess the good news is that we don't know if it's steroids at this point. I really hope it's not, because if it is I'll lose a TON of respect for Manny's game. I always thought he was one of the purest hitters ever — and I mean in the history of the game, and I've been following baseball since I was quite young.

I will still be sad and disappointed if it's some other hard drug that we find Manny was using, but if it's something like roids where you're changing the shape and strength that your body naturally possesses, I will be severely saddened.

The news of Palmeiro's drug usage a few years back was a huge bummer to me as well, as I always thought he was a natural. I still think he, McGwire, Clemens, and others linked to the "Steroid Era" should be first-ballot HOFers, but perhaps that's another discussion for a different thread. As much as I disagree with drug use in sport, I have some good arguments for their induction.

[toef]

Originally Posted by fatediesel

Has anyone ever been suspended for roids and not said it was for a medical condition and doctor prescribed or that they thought it was legal? If you have a medical condition, talk to MLB, explain the situation, and try to get them to approve your use.

I'm guessing it wasn't steroids at all.

My guess is Manny claims he has glaucoma.

[toef]

Originally Posted by ludawg23

By far the biggest name ever to be suspended in MLB.

Kind of makes you question Pujols, Howard etc.

Never in a million years would I expect Manny to be busted for PEDs...considering he's one of the best pure hitters in the game. Or was at least...

It kind of makes you wonder about Ortiz too.

Is he slumping this year because he misses Manny's protection in the lineup, or is he slumping because he misses the magic juice that Manny used to share with him?

[Mike53421]

The other day TSN had a Top 10 focusing on marquee names coming face to face and they showed McGwire and Sosa playing eachother when Marky Mark broke the (then) record, it seems so pointless now after all the information later revealed.

I like(d) Manny, this is pretty disappointing.

[ludawg23]

Originally Posted by toefer

It kind of makes you wonder about Ortiz too.

Is he slumping this year because he misses Manny's protection in the lineup, or is he slumping because he misses the magic juice that Manny used to share with him?

Definitely wouldn't put it past Ortiz...the guy came out of nowhere to become a hitting monster.

Youk protects Ortiz just fine.

A combination of steroids, getting older and being fat in generally has led to his decline.

[SDon1969]

Originally Posted by ludawg23

Definitely wouldn't put it past Ortiz...the guy came out of nowhere to become a hitting monster.

Youk protects Ortiz just fine.

A combination of steroids, getting older and being fat in generally has led to his decline.

We've (coworkers & I) been talking about the possibility of Ortiz for awhile now, too. Wouldn't surprise me, I hate to say...

[hc666]

Probably why Manny never signed until the last minute with the Dodgers.................

Had to wait and hope to get the juice out of his body!

[fatediesel]

Originally Posted by toefer

I'm guessing it wasn't steroids at all.

My guess is Manny claims he has glaucoma.

I'm fairly certain you don't get suspended for marijuana use, only fined. In addition, marijuana wouldn't be considered a performance-enhancing drug.

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by hc666

Yeah it's so obvious, they go into damage control when they should just admit what they did and move on.

I'm very disappointed... another sad day for baseball

yeah really ... He'd have been better off saying he got drunk to many times then try to fool people into saying well the DR said I should have it

[Monkey]

And I thought his hair was his source of strength. Bummer

[sfmarine]

Originally Posted by toefer

It kind of makes you wonder about Ortiz too.

Is he slumping this year because he misses Manny's protection in the lineup, or is he slumping because he misses the magic juice that Manny used to share with him?

Ya but I'm not missing his slumping. I just heard about Manny as well. Remember when the Yankees were sorta pursuing him? I'm glad we didn't get him. Even though he probably would have been an asset. As much as I hated him when he was with Boston, he was one of the greatest clutch performers in the game. That's a huge loss for the Dodgers who love Manny.

Now, what is going on with my Yankees! Joba had a terrible 1st inning and then managed to strike out 12. I thought Girardi was stupid to not let him finish the inning and go for a person best. Last nights game was we just couldn't keep it going. Props for Teix...for coming through...I just hope he continue it.

[toef]

Originally Posted by fatediesel

I'm fairly certain you don't get suspended for marijuana use, only fined. In addition, marijuana wouldn't be considered a performance-enhancing drug.

Well unless anything's changed, it was originally just reported as a banned substance.

But yes, as far as I know, players can't be suspended for marijuana use, and the fine is fairly small.

[fatediesel]

Originally Posted by toefer

Well unless anything's changed, it was originally just reported as a banned substance.

But yes, as far as I know, players can't be suspended for marijuana use, and the fine is fairly small.

mlb.com is reporting it was a performance-enhancing drug.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...=.jsp&c_id=mlb

[brettallica]

"Performance-enhancing" is pretty vague in my personal book, so unless it's something that is specifically an illegal muscle-building supplement like 'roids or any of those pseudo-roids, then I'm most likely going to award a pass to Manny on this one.

[toef]

Originally Posted by brettallica

"Performance-enhancing" is pretty vague in my personal book, so unless it's something that is specifically an illegal muscle-building supplement like 'roids or any of those pseudo-roids, then I'm most likely going to award a pass to Manny on this one.

Yeah, I find the whole drug policy stuff somewhat interesting. It's funny that MLB announced they when and where they were going to do the initial round of drug tests, and that if a certain number of people failed, they'd be implementing a permanent drug test policy into the league.

So if the players, collectively, were smart, they would have laid off the drugs long enough that spring to test negative, and then there wouldn't have been the drug tests we have now, and nobody would be getting in trouble.

And it's not like a few people ruined it for everyone. From what I remember, the number of players that tested positive in that non-disciplinary drug test was pretty high.

Edit: And for what it's worth, Babe Ruth is still the single season home-run king, as far as I'm concerned. No disrespect to Maris, but he had an extra 8 games. McGwire, Sosa and Bonds can all be bumped from their positions ahead of Ruth.

[ludawg23]

He's been caught with HCG in his system...no denying this one.

However, two sources told ESPN's T.J. Quinn and Mark Fainaru-Wada that the drug used by Ramirez is hCG -- human chorionic gonadotropin. HCG is a women's fertility drug typically used by steroid users to restart their body's natural testosterone production as they come off a steroid cycle. It is similar to Clomid, the drug Bonds, Giambi and others used as clients of BALCO.

[brettallica]

Originally Posted by toefer

Yeah, I find the whole drug policy stuff somewhat interesting. It's funny that MLB announced they when and where they were going to do the initial round of drug tests, and that if a certain number of people failed, they'd be implementing a permanent drug test policy into the league.

So if the players, collectively, were smart, they would have laid off the drugs long enough that spring to test negative, and then there wouldn't have been the drug tests we have now, and nobody would be getting in trouble.

And it's not like a few people ruined it for everyone. From what I remember, the number of players that tested positive in that non-disciplinary drug test was pretty high.

Edit: And for what it's worth, Babe Ruth is still the single season home-run king, as far as I'm concerned. No disrespect to Maris, but he had an extra 8 games. McGwire, Sosa and Bonds can all be bumped from their positions ahead of Ruth.

I would almost definitely put Ruth ahead of Maris due to the difference in game schedules, especially considering he hit only one more homer in those eight games... so I pretty much agree with that. There's a lot more to how one defines records, though. I mean, back in Ruth's day, he'd face the same pitchers over and over and over again, not only in a per-game sense (think about how much longer pitchers threw back then), but in a per-season and per-career sense because the league wasn't nearly as big as far as number of teams and therefore players.

Was Maris' version of the record harder to attain due to the increase in the number of pitchers he'd have faced, the number of ballparks in which he'd have to hit, and the rougher traveling schedule due to the expanded league and the advent/advancement of airline travel? Those are all serious variables that must be considered. I'm not saying the answer is yes or no; I'm just saying that it's impossible to compare eras for a multitude of reasons. My dad and I used to go back and forth about this topic of old-school vs. new-school (I miss those conversations by the way, so perhaps this is me bringing them back vicariously through the Blu-ray.com forum ). I side with new-school 99% of the time, and not to be blasphemous toward "the game" or its heroes and legends, because I know a lot about the game's history.

Some might argue that the the addition of teams actually led to a thinning out of the talent, but I will debate that point until I break something out of frustration. Imagine seeing the same pitcher four or five times during a game, and for several games per season...then extrapolate that over a 10-year period or so. You'd get a lock on that pitcher's stuff and tendencies, and you'd have the advantage as a hitter — compared to the way it is today, I mean. If you get three or four ABs against a pitcher in a game today, that's fairly uncommon. If you get that many ABs against the same pitcher, it's quite likely it's because he's not on his game and the manager is just trying to chew up innings before going to the 'pen. Seeing a pitcher four times or more per game was a regular thing back in the day.

The counter to that argument is that it works in the pitchers' favor, too, as a good pitcher will exploit a hitter's weakness and just lock down on that for a career. Then again, if you're not producing as a hitter, you're likely not going to stick around as long. There are definitely two sides to the coin here.




This topic is so deep. I'm just gonna cut it off here, because if I don't stop myself, I'll take up all the storage space on the site.

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