2025 Major League Baseball Thread

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by toefer

I understand the hate for Yankees fans as well, but I think Yankees fans show a tiny bit more class on rare occasions, so I give them an edge. Look at the way former players are treated when they come back to play against their old team. Damon was booed, even though he would've wanted to stay in Boston. I'm sure there are other examples.

LOL, I thought we were talking about how one teams fan's treat others? Although its not as bad as at football stadiums

[hc666]

Originally Posted by toefer

Then there's someone like David Cone who left the Yankees to play with the Red Sox, and he's still loved by Yankees fans. He even survived a game or two sitting among the bleacher creatures, where he was treated like a hero, and not some sort of evil traitor.

*cough*cough* David Cone, also has a 1992 World Series Ring with the Toronto Blue Jays and will be in Toronto in early August 2009 to celebrate that team with his other Blue Jay Teammates from that championship year.

Winfield, David Wells will also be on hand with many others... Al Leiter is another... etc.

[SDon1969]

Originally Posted by toefer

Anyway, these Red Sox games of the last few days are a disaster.

-A-Rod got hit in the 1st inning by Penny, and it was clearly intentional. Very first pitch of the at-bat was inside, and almost hit him. The 2nd or third pitch ended up hitting him. The reasoning could be because NY has hit 9 players on Boston so far this year, and Boston had only hit 1 Yankee (A-Rod being hit made it 2).

That's definitely the reason...specifically, I think, payback for Joba hitting Bay in the back. Looked like they tried to plunk Jeter last night but couldn't get it done.

[toef]

Originally Posted by SDon1969

That's definitely the reason...specifically, I think, payback for Joba hitting Bay in the back. Looked like they tried to plunk Jeter last night but couldn't get it done.

Probably, but I'm surprised they waited until this game to finally get back. It's probably not a coincidence that their bum pitcher was pitching today, and that it was the last game of the series (and last game against the Yankees until August). It just seemed like a cheap shot knowing that they'd get the last laugh/hit in, before the series was over, and that the Yankees can't do anything back for 2 months now.

The worst/longest grudge has to be the Toronto one, when they were mad at A-Rod for yelling at the 3rd baseman, causing him to drop a ball. For one, the 3rd baseman shouldn't have been thrown off by that. Secondly, the Blue Jays did nothing to retaliate when they visited NY after that. They waited 3 months until the Yankees went back to Toronto, before hitting A-Rod.

As I've mentioned before, I don't really like A-Rod, but I did like him a little bit tonight, when he hit a double to take the lead (which they obviously blew later that inning). Upon calling timeout, to take off his elbow pad and run it over to first base, he was clearly seen yelling something, which ended in the line "mother f***ers". Just glad to see he plays with some sort of emotion, I guess. Unlike Jeter, who doesn't seem to care at all when the team loses, or when he goes 0 for 5.

[hc666]

Originally Posted by toefer

The worst/longest grudge has to be the Toronto one, when they were mad at A-Rod for yelling at the 3rd baseman, causing him to drop a ball. For one, the 3rd baseman shouldn't have been thrown off by that. Secondly, the Blue Jays did nothing to retaliate when they visited NY after that. They waited 3 months until the Yankees went back to Toronto, before hitting A-Rod.

Whatever man, if someone did that to a utility thirdbaseman for the Yankees you would be up in arms. But since it happened to someone else on a team other than the Yankees, you discredit it as usual. Whenever someone calls you off for a ball, you back off. What A-Rod did shows what a jerk and poor excuse of a human being he is.

And that was awesome how they waited until they got back to Toronto. Why wouldn't they? WHY would they go after him in New York, especially when it happend in Toronto?!?!?! They did it for the fans, we loved it. Josh T-Ball Towers throwing at A-Rod and getting into a verbal argument with Tony Pena was awesome!!!!!!

Great come back by the Red Sox last night haha!

[Mike53421]

I had a bad feeling that day off for the Jays would hurt their bats, hopefully they can get some wins out of this Marlins series.

[hc666]

Originally Posted by Mike53421

I had a bad feeling that day off for the Jays would hurt their bats, hopefully they can get some wins out of this Marlins series.

yeah same here but they did run into a good pitcher last night.

Halladay goes tonight I believe ... woohoo!

[SDon1969]

Originally Posted by toefer

Probably, but I'm surprised they waited until this game to finally get back. It's probably not a coincidence that their bum pitcher was pitching today, and that it was the last game of the series (and last game against the Yankees until August). It just seemed like a cheap shot knowing that they'd get the last laugh/hit in, before the series was over, and that the Yankees can't do anything back for 2 months now.

The worst/longest grudge has to be the Toronto one, when they were mad at A-Rod for yelling at the 3rd baseman, causing him to drop a ball. For one, the 3rd baseman shouldn't have been thrown off by that. Secondly, the Blue Jays did nothing to retaliate when they visited NY after that. They waited 3 months until the Yankees went back to Toronto, before hitting A-Rod.

As I've mentioned before, I don't really like A-Rod, but I did like him a little bit tonight, when he hit a double to take the lead (which they obviously blew later that inning). Upon calling timeout, to take off his elbow pad and run it over to first base, he was clearly seen yelling something, which ended in the line "mother f***ers". Just glad to see he plays with some sort of emotion, I guess. Unlike Jeter, who doesn't seem to care at all when the team loses, or when he goes 0 for 5.

Well, it's not really a cheap shot when your being outplunked 9-2. The Sox still owe 'em a couple. And waiting so long to do it was the way to go, you have to wait.

As for Ortiz, yeah, his curtain calls seem silly when he's batting .200 with only 4 homers. Even Sportscenter made fun of it. However, I know, and probably every Sox fan knows, that Poppy is doing these curtain calls to thank the fans for their support. He has been in a huge slump since September '08, and the fans have not gotten on his case or jeered him, he's gotten applause throughout. He's simply saying "thanks", nothing more. There's no way he's thinks he's all bad-ass with those BA and HR stats.

[toef]

Originally Posted by hc666

Whatever man, if someone did that to a utility thirdbaseman for the Yankees you would be up in arms. But since it happened to someone else on a team other than the Yankees, you discredit it as usual. Whenever someone calls you off for a ball, you back off. What A-Rod did shows what a jerk and poor excuse of a human being he is.

And that was awesome how they waited until they got back to Toronto. Why wouldn't they? WHY would they go after him in New York, especially when it happend in Toronto?!?!?! They did it for the fans, we loved it. Josh T-Ball Towers throwing at A-Rod and getting into a verbal argument with Tony Pena was awesome!!!!!!

Great come back by the Red Sox last night haha!

Seems I hit a sore spot.

I'm not saying A-Rod's actions were great, I'm just saying you shouldn't drop a ball. At least in my experience playing baseball, you aren't completely oblivious to your surroundings that you have no idea where a voice was coming from. And you can always call off somebody calling you off, especially if you are the 3rd baseman, and it's a popup hit to.... third base.

How sad would it be to need your teammate to come field your balls for you? It's not like it was a fly ball hit out into the gap, and A-Rod ran out into the outfield and called them off.

As for them waiting for another series in Toronto, I think that's pathetic, and is what made it wrong. Had they thrown at A-Rod in NY, I wouldn't have cared. You don't retaliate to make the fans happy, you do it as a sort of personal issue to resolve any sort of problem between the teams. If pitchers start throwing at batters just to make the fans go crazy, then there's a problem. And also, you don't throw at peoples heads, regardless of what they've done. That applies to the head hunters on the Yankees as well (like Clemens used to be). That's completely uncalled for.

What made it even more pathetic is that before one of the games in that series, the Blue Jays had two kids playing some baseball game on the replay board, and one of the kids was the Yankees, so when A-Rod was batting, the other kid beaned him, and the crowd cheered it up.

But I guess if the highlight of a team's season is hitting A-Rod when he comes back to town, I feel bad for that team more than anything else.

[toef]

Originally Posted by SDon1969

Well, it's not really a cheap shot when your being outplunked 9-2. The Sox still owe 'em a couple. And waiting so long to do it was the way to go, you have to wait.

As for Ortiz, yeah, his curtain calls seem silly when he's batting .200 with only 4 homers. Even Sportscenter made fun of it. However, I know, and probably every Sox fan knows, that Poppy is doing these curtain calls to thank the fans for their support. He has been in a huge slump since September '08, and the fans have not gotten on his case or jeered him, he's gotten applause throughout. He's simply saying "thanks", nothing more. There's no way he's thinks he's all bad-ass with those BA and HR stats.

Oh, yeah. I agree as to why they're doing it, I just think it's kind of ridiculous.

As for Ortiz, I can't blame him for acknowledging them, and I'm sure he feels a bit embarrassed about it, and gets picked on for getting them.

This has to be the biggest slump in MLB history. I almost feel bad for him (but I won't, since he's on the Red Sox) that it's gone as far as him getting an eye exam to see if something is wrong. Who knows what kind of voodoo magic they might have in store if the slump continues.

I know Teixeira had a batting average down in the dumps for the first month of the season or so, and the boo-birds of Yankee Stadium quickly came out. But in the last month and a half, since A-Rod's been back, he's really turned it around, and now leads the AL in HRs, and is 2nd in slugging. But I think even during his slump, it helped that he was the best defensive 1st baseman the Yankees have had since Tino, so he was at least still contributing in other ways.

[hc666]

Originally Posted by toefer

Seems I hit a sore spot.

I'm not saying A-Rod's actions were great, I'm just saying you shouldn't drop a ball. At least in my experience playing baseball, you aren't completely oblivious to your surroundings that you have no idea where a voice was coming from. And you can always call off somebody calling you off, especially if you are the 3rd baseman, and it's a popup hit to.... third base.

How sad would it be to need your teammate to come field your balls for you? It's not like it was a fly ball hit out into the gap, and A-Rod ran out into the outfield and called them off.

As for them waiting for another series in Toronto, I think that's pathetic, and is what made it wrong. Had they thrown at A-Rod in NY, I wouldn't have cared. You don't retaliate to make the fans happy, you do it as a sort of personal issue to resolve any sort of problem between the teams. If pitchers start throwing at batters just to make the fans go crazy, then there's a problem. And also, you don't throw at peoples heads, regardless of what they've done. That applies to the head hunters on the Yankees as well (like Clemens used to be). That's completely uncalled for.

What made it even more pathetic is that before one of the games in that series, the Blue Jays had two kids playing some baseball game on the replay board, and one of the kids was the Yankees, so when A-Rod was batting, the other kid beaned him, and the crowd cheered it up.

But I guess if the highlight of a team's season is hitting A-Rod when he comes back to town, I feel bad for that team more than anything else.

No sore spot hit at all, just doing what I like to do, debate sports events.

What was wrong, throwing at A-Rod or A-Rod being a jerk to begin with on a player who was not use to playing?!?! That's the point... a player not use to playing and not familiar with the surroundings. We could argue this forever and we are well on our way as it happened in what... 2007?!?!

Anyway A-Roid is a jerk and he started it and I have seen much worse things happen in baseball as far as pitchers hitting batter or pitchers throwing bats at hitter.

And no that wasn't the highlight of the season by any means but it was enjoyable

[toef]

Originally Posted by hc666

No sore spot hit at all, just doing what I like to do, debate sports events.

What was wrong, throwing at A-Rod or A-Rod being a jerk to begin with on a player who was not use to playing?!?! That's the point... a player not use to playing and not familiar with the surroundings. We could argue this forever and we are well on our way as it happened in what... 2007?!?!

Anyway A-Roid is a jerk and he started it and I have seen much worse things happen in baseball as far as pitchers hitting batter or pitchers throwing bats at hitter.

And no that wasn't the highlight of the season by any means but it was enjoyable

Haha. Both things were wrong... sort of.

Hitting A-Rod I don't see a problem with, as long as the first attempt wasn't thrown toward his head (the one that hit him hit him in the leg, I think), and as long as it happened soon after the inciting incident. I think it was wrong to wait so long to finally retaliate, especially by waiting until they were home again, to make some sort of spectacle out of it for the fans.

In any case, I still think it's a poor excuse not to catch the ball. This is the only video I found of it online still (none on YouTube that I could find)... it's toward the bottom of the page.

http://redsoxvsyankees.blogspot.com/...ague-play.html

There's clearly a yell coming through at some point, but it's just a single word, which goes against Howie Clark's "he yelled 'I got it'" claim. Also, the ball landed in an area where a SS would never call off a 3rd baseman, so Clark should've played his position. And on top of that, if you look where he's setting up for the catch, the ball ends up not even landing there anyway. So maybe he wouldn't have caught it anyway, who knows.

[hc666]

Originally Posted by toefer

Haha. Both things were wrong... sort of.

Hitting A-Rod I don't see a problem with, as long as the first attempt wasn't thrown toward his head (the one that hit him hit him in the leg, I think), and as long as it happened soon after the inciting incident. I think it was wrong to wait so long to finally retaliate, especially by waiting until they were home again, to make some sort of spectacle out of it for the fans.

In any case, I still think it's a poor excuse not to catch the ball. This is the only video I found of it online still (none on YouTube that I could find)... it's toward the bottom of the page.

http://redsoxvsyankees.blogspot.com/...ague-play.html

There's clearly a yell coming through at some point, but it's just a single word, which goes against Howie Clark's "he yelled 'I got it'" claim. Also, the ball landed in an area where a SS would never call off a 3rd baseman, so Clark should've played his position. And on top of that, if you look where he's setting up for the catch, the ball ends up not even landing there anyway. So maybe he wouldn't have caught it anyway, who knows.

I thought at the time that Clark and John MacDonald claimed he yelled "Mine"(I'm sure we both saw different media perspectives and interviews). But either way, the Jays were full of injuries that season and alot of the guys playing were not regulars in the infield especially. I went to a couple of games against Washington and hardly reconized the team, after finishing 2nd in 2006 we were hoping for a great 2007 until everyone decided to go on the DL.

That's fine that you think they should have done it sooner. I was surprised when it did happen honestly because it seemed like so long ago at the time that the first incident occured. This was probably because of the manager at the time, Gibbons who was borderline crazy IMO haha. He's the one who got in fights with Shea Hillenbrand and Ted Lilly while they were Blue Jays.

I think Cito Gaston would have handled it differently, if it was to occur now.

Anyway thanks for the debate haha.

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by hc666

I thought at the time that Clark and John MacDonald claimed he yelled "Mine"(I'm sure we both saw different media perspectives and interviews). But either way, the Jays were full of injuries that season and alot of the guys playing were not regulars in the infield especially. I went to a couple of games against Washington and hardly reconized the team, after finishing 2nd in 2006 we were hoping for a great 2007 until everyone decided to go on the DL.

That's fine that you think they should have done it sooner. I was surprised when it did happen honestly because it seemed like so long ago at the time that the first incident occured. This was probably because of the manager at the time, Gibbons who was borderline crazy IMO haha. He's the one who got in fights with Shea Hillenbrand and Ted Lilly while they were Blue Jays.

I think Cito Gaston would have handled it differently, if it was to occur now.

Anyway thanks for the debate haha.

WHOA! DID SOMEONE SAY NATS GO WASHINGTON!!!

[Mike53421]

Wasn't that the same series Vernon stole home?

I knew we signed him for something!

[hc666]

Originally Posted by Mike53421

Wasn't that the same series Vernon stole home?

I knew we signed him for something!

Haha you are thinking of Aaron Hill stealing home off of Andy Petite... it was that season but can't remember if it was that series or not.

Vernon is still useless lol

[hc666]

Originally Posted by supersix4

WHOA! DID SOMEONE SAY NATS GO WASHINGTON!!!

HAHAH!

We beat them 7-3 and 7-2 I remember, the 2 games I saw. Halladay and Marcum with the HUGE wins lol

Everyone there was wearing Expos hats and jerseys, it was funny!

[toef]

Weird that hc and I were talking about yelling and dropping pop-ups earlier.

The end of the Yankees/Mets game tonight, for those who missed it:

Rivera came in to pitch the 8th and 9th innings, but gave up a run in the 8th, to give the Mets an 8-7 lead. It stayed that way going into the 9th, and the Yankees had their 9, 1 and 2 hitters coming up.

Gardner (#9) makes a quick out. Jeter's up next and works a lengthy count, and ends up singling up the middle.

Man on first, 1 out.

Damon pinch hits for Swisher (who was batting in the 2-spot), and works another lengthy at-bat. Yankees pull a hit-and-run but Damon fouls it off. Next pitch, another full count, another hit-and-run, and Damon strikes out.

Jeter on second, 2 outs.

Teixeira, who homered in the game, walks up to bat. They give him 3 crappy pitches, and he holds off on all 3. The Mets then intentionally walk him on the next pitch, to put the game in A-Rod's hands.

So now it's A-Rod vs K-Rod, with the game on the line.

Couple of balls, a couple of strikes, and then A-Rod pops up to second base, and breaks his bat against the ground. K-Rod yells and throws his hands up, glad that he got A-Rod to pop up.

But apparently K-Rod's yelling threw off Castillo, because Castillo dropped the ball. If he reacted quicker, he may've been able to throw Teixeira out at the plate, to at least send it to extra innings, but instead he lightly tossed the ball to second base, and Teixeira scored safely.

The cheapest win for the Yankees I've ever seen.

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by toefer

Weird that hc and I were talking about yelling and dropping pop-ups earlier.

The end of the Yankees/Mets game tonight, for those who missed it:

Rivera came in to pitch the 8th and 9th innings, but gave up a run in the 8th, to give the Mets an 8-7 lead. It stayed that way going into the 9th, and the Yankees had their 9, 1 and 2 hitters coming up.

Gardner (#9) makes a quick out. Jeter's up next and works a lengthy count, and ends up singling up the middle.

Man on first, 1 out.

Damon pinch hits for Swisher (who was batting in the 2-spot), and works another lengthy at-bat. Yankees pull a hit-and-run but Damon fouls it off. Next pitch, another full count, another hit-and-run, and Damon strikes out.

Jeter on second, 2 outs.

Teixeira, who homered in the game, walks up to bat. They give him 3 crappy pitches, and he holds off on all 3. The Mets then intentionally walk him on the next pitch, to put the game in A-Rod's hands.

So now it's A-Rod vs K-Rod, with the game on the line.

Couple of balls, a couple of strikes, and then A-Rod pops up to second base, and breaks his bat against the ground. K-Rod yells and throws his hands up, glad that he got A-Rod to pop up.

But apparently K-Rod's yelling threw off Castillo, because Castillo dropped the ball. If he reacted quicker, he may've been able to throw Teixeira out at the plate, to at least send it to extra innings, but instead he lightly tossed the ball to second base, and Teixeira scored safely.

The cheapest win for the Yankees I've ever seen.

that was a great summary of the game lol I'd have beat him if I was krod

[hc666]

Originally Posted by toefer

Weird that hc and I were talking about yelling and dropping pop-ups earlier.

The end of the Yankees/Mets game tonight, for those who missed it:

Rivera came in to pitch the 8th and 9th innings, but gave up a run in the 8th, to give the Mets an 8-7 lead. It stayed that way going into the 9th, and the Yankees had their 9, 1 and 2 hitters coming up.

Gardner (#9) makes a quick out. Jeter's up next and works a lengthy count, and ends up singling up the middle.

Man on first, 1 out.

Damon pinch hits for Swisher (who was batting in the 2-spot), and works another lengthy at-bat. Yankees pull a hit-and-run but Damon fouls it off. Next pitch, another full count, another hit-and-run, and Damon strikes out.

Jeter on second, 2 outs.

Teixeira, who homered in the game, walks up to bat. They give him 3 crappy pitches, and he holds off on all 3. The Mets then intentionally walk him on the next pitch, to put the game in A-Rod's hands.

So now it's A-Rod vs K-Rod, with the game on the line.

Couple of balls, a couple of strikes, and then A-Rod pops up to second base, and breaks his bat against the ground. K-Rod yells and throws his hands up, glad that he got A-Rod to pop up.

But apparently K-Rod's yelling threw off Castillo, because Castillo dropped the ball. If he reacted quicker, he may've been able to throw Teixeira out at the plate, to at least send it to extra innings, but instead he lightly tossed the ball to second base, and Teixeira scored safely.

The cheapest win for the Yankees I've ever seen.

Man I can't stand that K-Rod... way too emotional, alot of guys probably want to pound him into the ground haha.

Reminds me of Denis Eckersly(spelling), he was right into the first pumping and stuff when he was a closer and in 1992 Robbie Alomar made him pay with a home run to right! Now he does commentary for the Red Sox on NESN he is still a cocky moron.

Actualy glad to see K-Rod lose one... I think I hate him more than A-Rod ahha!

And how many home runs there last night? lol holy smokes.

PS Haha just saw the highlights, crazy ending!