"Club Penton" - Ask questions to Hollywood insider "Penton-Man"

[OokieSpookie]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/vdunet/2008...l-6315470.html


Any comment on this nonsense. = LAME

Are we STILL not past the point of having to run to Penton with your thumb in your mouth begging for reassurance so you can sleep at night everytime something like this hits?

[jangofett]

Hey Penton, I was wondering what your thoughts on the effect, if any, that the new funai BD players will have on movie sales. Can you give us armchair analysts what the word on the street says? Can/should we expect +30% within the next few months? +20% perhaps????

Lastly, if you can't give us what the consensus shop talk says....can you give us your opinion on this?

[aygie]

Originally Posted by OokieSpookie

Are we STILL not past the point of having to run to Penton with your thumb in your mouth begging for reassurance so you can sleep at night everytime something like this hits?

I didn't see anyone "running" to anyone, just someone wanting to know someone's opinion on something.

[elwaylite]

Originally Posted by OokieSpookie

Are we STILL not past the point of having to run to Penton with your thumb in your mouth begging for reassurance so you can sleep at night everytime something like this hits?

No, we should just run to him about all other nonsense(have you looked at this thread lately)

Originally Posted by Aygie

I didn't see anyone "running" to anyone, just someone wanting to know someone's opinion on something.

Exactly, Ive been on this site long enough. Ookie needs to get a grip. Im more looking for comments on the HW and if its even possible. I guess you missed my LAME comment, because thats what it is.

At some point, certain people felt that the upscaling Cell chip Toshiba was working on could possibly keep people happy enough with upconversion until HD downloads/VOD was feasible. Do I think so, no, but Id like to hear from someone with a little knowledge in the industry (which excludes you Ookie). Also why I asked about the new 1080p XstreamHD service thats coming(was conveniently ignored) which will be able to stream MasterHD(first VOD service with hd audio).


BTW, Im not concerned enough about Blu-rays longevity to run to anyone. Ill just adapt to the next media(Ill most likely be signing up for XstreamHD if it brings what it has promised)

[Rob Tomlin]

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[mhafner]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Well, if it’s a matter of “principle” then like I said, do something that has half a chance for a successful outcome.

As the they say in Hindi: Paisa bolta hain.

better yet, more surgical strikes by Bill Hunt et. al. have the greatest chance of success, now that content providers have moved from catering to early adopters and now are more interested in broadening their base with the more mainstream buying public.

Bill likely wrote his column ALSO because I mailed him complaining about DNR and Pan/US being recommended on the site, while only Pan/Europe deserves praise.

[mhafner]

Originally Posted by J6P

One Japanese report appeared to suggest that the new technology would be able produce much higher-resolution images from existing DVDs, but did not address the apparent impossibility of this claim.

Unless they use super resolution techniques from analysing whole sequences of frames in real time (which I seriously doubt) they are stuck at SD resolution. And trying to fake more resolution just makes for an equally fake looking picture.
It's one of these video myths that are endlessly posted but remain as false as ever (you can turn SD into (almost) HD if you...). Another is: On-Off contrast is a meaningless number. You don't have to pay attention to it.

[NutsAboutPS3]

Originally Posted by J6P

One Japanese report appeared to suggest that the new technology would be able produce much higher-resolution images from existing DVDs, but did not address the apparent impossibility of this claim.

That's classic. I think you can stay on the bench for this one, Penton.

And in other breaking news, someone claims to have invented a perpetual motion machine, though they did not address the apparent impossibility of breaking the laws of thermodynamics.

[lgans316]

http://www.varietyasiaonline.com/kai.../TARTAN-CLOSED

Is this true ?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Aygie

I didn't see anyone "running" to anyone, just someone wanting to know someone's opinion on something.

Even if it ever does come to fruition, Toshiba will have to breach the same forces it needed to in order for HD DVD to succeed (and more)………….. and we all saw how well that worked out.

Plus, from a marketing standpoint this can be countered easily with two words………

“Fake HD”
by all the Sales Associates at Best Buy, Circuit City, etc. – even without getting into the technical details with the mainstream buying public. People don’t want fake anything (exception being perhaps big mammary glands)………..they will always prefer the real deal, if only to be as future-proof as possible.

I really think Toshiba should concentrate on upgrading their refrigerators. I’m in the market.

P.S.
I’m thinking that within minutes of the time the above article hit the internet, “Lee” or one of the newer generation of residual red ants (of whom I’m unfamiliar with the names), posted it in that Smackdown thing of HDD and its already up to 5,000 posts.

[HeavyHitter]

The most important matter for DVD is proper deinterlacing - not upscaling. I have a very hard time believing Toshiba will be able to do this better than solutions such as Realta and ABT especially at prices less than Blu-ray players. Just like HD DVD, this is just another Toshiba scam. It's funny how this company's credibility just sinks further and further.

[BluDomain]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

P.S.
I’m thinking that within minutes of the time the above article hit the internet, “Lee” or one of the newer generation of residual red ants (of whom I’m unfamiliar with the names), posted it in that Smackdown thing of HDD and its already up to 5,000 posts.

Two thousand of them are Lee's. He's found a new outlet
now that AVS has somewhat tried to control the free-for-all.
Check the membership of HDD----about 12K and holding.
Check the membership of blu-ray.com. Close to 30K and
expanding. I'm sure there is some crossover. But an audience
of 12K wouldn't ever get a nod except for the "Podunk Daily
News."

When a major forum or news outlet picks up on the Toshiba
fake HD, then it's worth pillow talk after climax to lessen
the affect of "Gotta go. Let's do lunch sometime. I'll call."

[Anthony P]

No, we should just run to him about all other nonsense(have you looked at this thread lately)

so what you are saying is that this thread is full of garbadge (so why are you reading it) and so we should add more? how does that make any sense. Maybe there is some OT discussions here but at least they are interesting. I agree with OokieSpookie why do some people need obvious confirmation of something incredibly stupid that they read. So every time someone writes an article that is doom and gloom they need a confirmation that it is not real. If I wanted to read BS I would have just stuck with AVS.

Even more it is not as if that SUC joke has not been around since Toshiba gave up.

Exactly, Ive been on this site long enough. Ookie needs to get a grip. Im more looking for comments on the HW and if its even possible. I guess you missed my LAME comment, because thats what it is.

what HW there is 0 info in that article. Are they talking SUC again? a new SuperCodec that super compresses everything so that DVDs BW and capacity are enough? a multi layer DVD.... how can he (or anyone) tell you how delusional (or not) this idea is. In the end it is just an other BD hater trying to drum up the "don't buy into BD because something else which is just as good will win the war"

At some point, certain people felt that the upscaling Cell chip Toshiba was working on could possibly keep people happy enough with upconversion until HD downloads/VOD was feasible. Do I think so, no, but Id like to hear from someone with a little knowledge in the industry (which excludes you Ookie).

but can people discus on that. Everyone knows the facts it can never look as good, the only question you could have is would some think it good enough? the answer is yes, some people are blind (literally) and some don't care the least bit. In the end there is nothing to say on that either (that is exactly why HD DVD failed most people that cared were willing to pay for quality and to have the movies they wanted and the ones that did not were not willing to pay extra for something they did not care about, so all that was left were idiots –and they bought HD DVD players and some might be wise enough this time around not to make the same mistake)

[Knight-Errant]

Originally Posted by Aygie

Complete biased crap:



Trying to make out HD-DVD came first.



Trying to make everyone was behind HD-DVD and only Sony was Blu. ******s.



Would you expect a DVD player to not be compatible with DVDs????

Such a load of crap. Upscales. Great.

Are we sure they haven't somehow employed Josef Goebbels as head of the HD-DVD promotion group?

Tell a big enough lie often enough and it becomes true.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

In the end there is nothing to say on that either (that is exactly why HD DVD failed most people that cared were willing to pay for quality and to have the movies they wanted and the ones that did not were not willing to pay extra for something they did not care about, so all that was left were idiots –and they bought HD DVD players and some might be wise enough this time around not to make the same mistake)

Great point.

[aygie]

Originally Posted by Knight-Errant

Are we sure they haven't somehow employed Josef Goebbels as head of the HD-DVD promotion group?

Tell a big enough lie often enough and it becomes true.

Ouch! HD-DVD = Nazis!!!

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by BluDomain

Two thousand of them are Lee's. He's found a new outlet
now that AVS has somewhat tried to control the free-for-all.
Check the membership of HDD----about 12K and holding.
Check the membership of blu-ray.com. Close to 30K and
expanding. I'm sure there is some crossover. But an audience
of 12K wouldn't ever get a nod except for the "Podunk Daily
News."

When a major forum or news outlet picks up on........

They tell me if you google “Pentonman at Blu-ray.com even got a tip of the hat from the NY Tiimes”, our forum be quoted somewhere in the Times back during the days of the format war.

Nothing counts like a brand name (Blu-ray)………..and things will just get better and better with time for this forum.
That’s why everyone else is chasin our coat tails but, seldom acknowledging it.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

They tell me if you google “Pentonman at Blu-ray.com even got a tip of the hat from the NY Tiimes”, our forum be quoted somewhere in the Times back during the days of the format war.

^ ^ ^
Here ya go, I just tried it but, I don’t have an account with the N.Y. Times on this computer so I’m not sure if it is true but, sure sounds good.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...2C&btnG=Search

[neo_reloaded]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

(that is exactly why HD DVD failed most people that cared were willing to pay for quality and to have the movies they wanted and the ones that did not were not willing to pay extra for something they did not care about, so all that was left were idiots –and they bought HD DVD players and some might be wise enough this time around not to make the same mistake)

Oh please. HD DVD failed because of the lack of studio support and the lower install base. If Blu-ray didn't have more of the major studios behind it, and the PS3 didn't get Blu-ray players into millions of homes, things might have been different. I don't say that in a "HD DVD almost won!" kind of way, because Blu-ray DID have those things, and those things were very important. But I do say that to discourage this mindset of "HD DVD was total crap and anyone who bought it didn't care about quality." Yes, Blu-ray technology offers opportunities for slight PQ/SQ increases. But HD DVD was hardly crap and there were a number of absolutely gorgeous discs, and anyone who can't admit that is simply delusional.

HD DVD is totally different than this new BS. This is the old "upscaling can be good enough!" argument which is total BS. But in a world where people hate grain and black bars, and think upscaling is "good enough," Toshiba could probably make money off this as it doesn't require people to buy new copies of all their movies. I'm not saying it's good tech, and I certainly would never buy it. But it's not aimed at people like us. I wish they'd just stop as it just clouds the HD issues we already face, but you can't blame a company for making products that millions of dumbasses want.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

Great point.

I really think that engadget says it best with their header……………..

http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/30/t...lution-dvd-pl/