8K discussion thread

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

(laugh) I'm at the point where 65" seems small-ish. 75" a few years ago would have been unthinkable. Wall sized screens are not out of the question here.

Power continues to get more & more efficient. My current set burns less energy than the 46" from a decade ago. No reason to think they won't continue on that path.

As far as the spouses go - they like watching their stuff on big screens too. They're more concerned about cost.

Sony's new 98" 8KTV power usage is 1102W/1353 kWh/Year. That's almost twice as much power usage as a Samsung 28 cu. ft. refrigerator (755 kWh/Year). Their spec sheet says nothing about increases in power usage when HDR is displayed.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

From the moment HD started until there was actual easily obtainable content took about 4 years. The same goes with UHD. So in my small little mind I’d say the same 3-4 years.

You're off a couple of years . . .

The first HD broadcast was July 23, 1996 ( WRAL-TV (then the CBS affiliate in Raleigh, North Carolina)

HDTV sets became available in the U.S. in 1998 and broadcasts began around November 1998

The first major sporting event broadcast nationwide in HD was Super Bowl XXXIV, broadcast by ABC on January 30, 2000.

Satellite television companies in the United States, such as Dish Network and DirecTV, started to carry HD programming in 2002

HD DVD was released in the United States on April 18, 2006 followed by Sony's Blu-ray 2 months later

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by DiscoDan

I honestly thought 8K TVs still cost like $50,000 so I was confused to see commercials advertising them. But the Samsung one is less than $4500 which is doable for a large enough population. I won't be interested until they're priced down to normal or when 8K content becomes available, but it's still cool. Push on, technology, push on.

You can buy a Samsung 55" 8KTV for $3500. The 65" is $4500. The 75" is $6500. The 82" is $9000 and the 98" is $70,000. All these prices are advertised on Newegg:

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16889356558

[sapiendut]

Will those TVs handle HFR?

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

Will those TVs handle HFR?

I would think so as their refresh rate is 240.

[Lee A Stewart]

Someone previously mentioned that there is some 8K content on YouTube:

Some streamed 8K content is posted on YouTube, but this isn’t yet compatible with some of the 8K televisions on the market this year due, in part, to unsupported file formats and compression codecs.

https://hdguru.com/should-you-get-an-8k-tv/

[sapiendut]

The thing is they mention nothing about whether it can handle HFR. 240 Hz refresh rate can easily mean they do interpolated frame insertion and or backlight blinking/scanning. Remember their 960 Hz refresh rate? (Sony used to pull this kind of BS too).

I just double checked. They use their marketing speak of 240 Hz Motion Rate, so at best the panel is 120 Hz (still doesn’t mean it can take 120 fps signal) and knowing TV manufacturers wanting to show off and spin what they have to offer, there is no mention of HFR either. So we can only deduce that it doesn’t do HFR. Which then explains why a first gen 8K is this affordable... because it’s essentially only 8k in pixel count but there is no actual improvement over their 4K panels. Of course the chip is upgraded, but that’s it.

Also note that their HDR 24x does not mean 24 “times” (faster/better/shinier) than previous iterations. 24X is like the X in X-Men. “24X” is the name/brandinf they use.

[Lee A Stewart]

Why are you concerned about HFR? There is no HFR content. In all the articles and blogs I have read about 8K content, not one of them mentioned HFR. The only discussion I have ever seen about HFR is "wouldn't it be nice for sports."

[Lee A Stewart]

These new 8K TVs are just like the ones that first came out when 4K was introduced. Many of the planned upgrades for 8K won't be compatible. Things like the VCC codec which is coming. Current 8K TVs will not handle VCC. No one knows if it is possible to have them upgraded. Around the same time (2021 - 2022) 12 bit 8K panels should show up.

If you want to be on the "bleeding edge" you are going to pay for that luxury.

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Why are you concerned about HFR? There is no HFR content. In all the articles and blogs I have read about 8K content, not one of them mentioned HFR. The only discussion I have ever seen about HFR is "wouldn't it be nice for sports."

It can be zero content right now but you don’t want to spend $3.5K and next year it’s obsolete because there is no HFR compatibility. The biggest selling point for 8K is the resolution and the promise of HFR.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

It can be zero content right now but you don’t want to spend $3.5K and next year it’s obsolete because there is no HFR compatibility. The biggest selling point for 8K is the resolution and the promise of HFR.

HFR was "promised" for 4K almost 2.5 years ago. You see any 120 FPS 4K content out there?

[spider-neil]

How will high frame rate improve the image? Don't you get the 'soap opera' effect?

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

HFR was "promised" for 4K almost 2.5 years ago. You see any 120 FPS 4K content out there?

HFR was never promised in 4K. People were talking about the possibility of HFR.
Without HFR 4K still have 10 bit colour, DCI-P3 colourspace and HDR.

WithoutHFR, 8K is literally only a resolution increase (Which I welcome of course, but more for my projector and not my TVs)

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by spider-neil

How will high frame rate improve the image? Don't you get the 'soap opera' effect?

For movies yes. But for sports you can get rid of motion blur (as long as the camera isn't panned quickly). I don't know what the term is called but increasing the frame rate gets rid of the "wagon wheels going backwards" effect. HFR also improves the clarity and detailing in the picture

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

HFR was never promised in 4K. People were talking about the possibility of HFR.
Without HFR 4K still have 10 bit colour, DCI-P3 colour space and HDR.

HFR explained: High frame rate is coming to TVs – here’s what you need to know

By Andrew London April 21, 2018

https://www.techradar.com/news/hfr-e...u-need-to-know

Without HFR, 8K is literally only a resolution increase (Which I welcome of course, but more for my projector and not my TVs)

1. Please link a 98" 4K flat panel TV available now from Sony, Samsung, LG, etc

2. Do you honestly believe that the 8K TVs just released will have the same features as those released in say 2021?

[koberulz]

Originally Posted by spider-neil

How will high frame rate improve the image? Don't you get the 'soap opera' effect?

The soap opera effect, in a vacuum, is a good thing. People just dislike it for films that weren't shot that way, because that's not how they're meant to be seen. For sports and such, more temporal resolution is undisputedly a better thing.

For films going forward, some support it and some don't and that's all I'm going to say on the subject.

[sapiendut]

You’re not understanding my post at all. I give up.

[jibucha]

for what it's worth :: 88" LG OLED

coming :: very soon

my thinking :: what you're thinking will be in 2021, will be in 2019

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

[B]

1. Please link a 98" 4K flat panel TV available now from Sony, Samsung, LG, etc

2. Do you honestly believe that the 8K TVs just released will have the same features as those released in say 2021?

[jibucha]

question (1) :: what about 2019 LG 4K OLED/Nano Cell (HDMI 2.1) supporting HFR over HDMI?

question (2) :: what about 2019 LG 88" 8K OLED also supporting HFR over HDMI (HDMI 2.1)?

Originally Posted by sapiendut

HFR was never promised in 4K. People were talking about the possibility of HFR.
Without HFR 4K still have 10 bit colour, DCI-P3 colourspace and HDR.

WithoutHFR, 8K is literally only a resolution increase (Which I welcome of course, but more for my projector and not my TVs)

[jibucha]

chicken n egg (nonsense) :: displays are just beginning to become available

so :: at least content support (broadcast/content/streaming) will now follow

especially :: next year when HDMI 2.1 support increases

while it does take time - it's happening

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

HFR was "promised" for 4K almost 2.5 years ago. You see any 120 FPS 4K content out there?