8K discussion thread

[Pondosinatra]

8K? Awesome. Upgrade your TV and all your titles...

But wait! By then 16K will be out and you don't want to be left behind. So get the 16K TV and upgrade all your titles.

But wait! By then there will be 32K and you don't want to be left behind. So get the shiny 32K TV and upgrade...

Oh, and then we can have Blu-ray, 4K, 8K, 16K, and 32K reviews for the exact same title on here.

[Penton-Man]

If folks really desire to see more detail with their imagery, give me 4K 120fps instead, science - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...t#post14544289

Not marketing.

[JoeDeM]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

I recall this tidbit about using a UHD recorder from several months ago concerning that. It’s not the example that 8 k technology is really advancing, just a way to capture some limited 8 k footage.

A triple-layer recordable BDXL disc can hold up to 100Gb, while a quad-layer version can reach 128Gb of storage. This is more than sufficient for storing HD broadcasts, and should even accomodate 4K and 8K broadcast footage.

I think just adding layers is the wrong approach, we're already seeing lots of players having problems reading 3 layers, 4 would add more problems.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

If folks really desire to see more detail with their imagery, give me 4K 120fps instead, science - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...t#post14544289

Not marketing.

That's another very important point Mr. Penton; the number of frames per second in films.
We're stuck with motion sickness @ 24fps, it blurs our vision in moving action, we need 60fps and 120fps.
I bet Ang Lee must feel frustrated, I would. His effort is the best thing that happened @ some theaters and on 4K UHD Blu-ray in the last x years of cinema. I sure agree with you.
I want it all, and I want it now. ...8K UHD HDR10+ Dolby Vision, 120fps or 240fps, and 3D on 4K with dts:X (Dolby Atmos).
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Bonus (this is music humor only, life's short...):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GkG...ature=youtu.be

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

I recall this tidbit about using a UHD recorder from several months ago concerning that. It’s not the example that 8 k technology is really advancing, just a way to capture some limited 8 k footage.

Like I said, it was no surprise, but it's still an example of how the Japanese are moving things along. As for my second point, seeing as QL discs are as rare as unicorn poo right now then 100GB simply isn't going to be enough for 8K to break into the physical disc market, not that another 28GB would make a massive amount of difference anyways. Just putting an 8K piece of news into the 8K thread.

[Vilya]

Bring back the 12" laserdisc! With all that surface area, it could hold oodles of data now. Those large shiny platters would would make 8K as popular as 8 track tapes.

[KRW1]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Bring back the 12" laserdisc! With all that surface area, it could hold oodles of data now. Those large shiny platters would would make 8K as popular as 8 track tapes.

You could be onto something with that. Are we being prepared?

http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/dvd-blur...ectable-format

[Geoff D]

That thought has actually crossed my mind, no joke. That's a big goddamned disc

[Vilya]

And they are pretty heavy, too. The larger cover art was nice, though. I had about 1200 at one time.

A larger diameter disc may be necessary to hold more data unless they can keep layering the 5" discs like an infinite optical onion.

[Geoff D]

The "IOO" format, I like that. There are other formats and developments in the optical disc field that can hold hundreds of GB's like Optical Disc Archive but this is an EXTREMELY expensive system that's intended for long term storage and not day-to-day handling (as it is they come in caddies). But unless someone takes it upon themselves to design Blu-ray's mass-market successor - a risky proposition in the shrinking market for physical media - then 8K on pressed disc is a non-starter.

[LordoftheRings]

○ https://petapixel.com/2016/02/16/gla...billion-years/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EISC...ature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkzx...ature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItNT...ature=youtu.be

[Staying Salty]

http://www.avsforum.com/8k-evolving-view/

I’ve written many times that I consider 8K to be pointless, at least for consumer TVs viewed from normal seating distances. Heck, 4K is more than enough resolution for those conditions. From 10 feet away, the human visual system can’t perceive all the detail in a 65″ or even 75″ 4K image, much less 8K. In fact, even 2K (2048×1080) is perfectly fine for commercial cinemas with screens measuring 20 feet across or more, as long as you sit at a reasonable distance.

In addition, it’s extremely unlikely that most content providers, such as movie studios and broadcasters, will create native-8K content for many years. They’re just gearing up for 4K—there’s virtually no cable or satellite 4K, and ATSC 3.0 has yet to be deployed—so the prospect of upgrading to 8K is undoubtedly daunting. The only exception I know of is Japan’s NHK, which plans to shoot and broadcast some of the 2020 Tokyo Summer Olympics in 8K. But that will be available only in Japan.

The point is, manufacturers are going to build 8K consumer TVs whether we like it or not, and they’ll be here much sooner than I ever expected. At CES 2018, Samsung introduced the 85″ 8K Q9S, saying it will be available as an actual consumer product sometime this year. We’ve seen other companies, such as LG, Panasonic, Sharp, and Sony, demonstrate 8K flat panels at CES for years, but those have always been so-called technology demos. I’d wager that at least some of these companies will have actual consumer products at CES 2019, if not sooner.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Staying Salty

http://www.avsforum.com/8k-evolving-view/

What was silly was AVS sending members emails whats highlighted saying 8K TV is Coming: What You Need to Know
8K TV is coming soon to a living room near you. Here's what you need to know about the next big leap in flat-panel display resolution.

Yes the author was inclined to boast that the AI Upscaling” of the Q9S would be able to satisfy the lack of 8K content by its great upscaling ability.

[B-52 Bass]

Funny thing is that if that was possible to bring back LD. You could put the entire LotR on one side and The Hobbits on the other. That would be AWESOME but just imagine what a glossy boxset would look like that BIG
It would be worth every penny.

[IronSoldier]

I'd much rather we stuck at 4k for 5-10 years let it mature and move everything over. Provide far higher bitrate and less compressed content. 8k is unnecessary in most cases and more or less just a marketing ploy by manufacturers to sell something new.

[AaronY]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Like I said, it was no surprise, but it's still an example of how the Japanese are moving things along. As for my second point, seeing as QL discs are as rare as unicorn poo right now then 100GB simply isn't going to be enough for 8K to break into the physical disc market, not that another 28GB would make a massive amount of difference anyways. Just putting an 8K piece of news into the 8K thread.

Who knows how good compression will be in 10-15 years tbh

[Geoff D]

But will physical media be strong enough to support 8K disc in 10-15 years? Discuss.

[LordoftheRings]

We need better laser readers first, and more Windex.

[KRW1]

Originally Posted by IronSoldier

I'd much rather we stuck at 4k for 5-10 years let it mature and move everything over. Provide far higher bitrate and less compressed content. 8k is unnecessary in most cases and more or less just a marketing ploy by manufacturers to sell something new.

I think that's inevitable. You could have said the same thing in 2008 about Bluray and been spot on. I reckon bluray will do a lot of people for the next few years at least.

Then we'll be talking about 8k but I'm sceptical about a physical version but then I was about 4k as well so the lesson I've learnt is that whatever you think is going to happen, probably won't. I never thought I'd be able to buy some new albums on cassette tape (the worst of all formats!) in 2018, that's for sure.

[koberulz]

Most films ever made have been 4K, though. Almost none have been 8K.