Oblivion 4K UHD (2013)

[ROSS.T.G.]

Originally Posted by KubrickKurasawa

You've gone to far, may god have mercy on your soul.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by punisher

well I watch a lot of Ice hockey and I don't like yellow ice..lol. A little cooler on both my plasma and OLED tv's works just fine. Don't let anyone tell you just cause it measures correctly that you"must' watch it that way. Watch it any way you like that appeals to you. It's your tv.

Right. But it makes people commenting on whatever disc one hell of a crapshoot if they're all rocking different colour temperatures, gamma, black levels, contrast and so on....and that's BEFORE we factor in the cluster**** that is HDR tone mapping.

I speak with the authority that I do not just becuz ZD9 iz grate but because I know exactly what my TV's SDR and HDR performance is actually doing. Again: the point of calibration isn't to blow your skirt up but to ensure that there's a common standard, so that a piece of content can look as it should from set to set to set. If people don't appreciate what it should look like then that's between them and whatever home video gods they answer to - heck, even I can't stand the greeny piss colour of TGTBATU - but accuracy will always be my first port of call.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by punisher

so is this a tv discussion now...

No, it's people trying to justify their purchases by derailing threads

[CarlosMeat]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

Modern TVs look very good without calibration. Plus I think this whole ISF thing is a joke. I personally know a color blind person, who is ISF certified, and sells/calibrates TVs for you peeps.

Even if you do, ISF guys use instrumentation anyway. As far as color all their eyes are for is to set up the cameras then they compile the numbers and work toward the standards using the instruments to evaluate it. Doing a LUT is way way beyond anything eyeballing would give. Ask Ken Whicomb or Kris Deering.

[Geoff D]

Yep, the whole point of using a metered calibration is precisely that you're NOT doing it by eye but that you're using an objectively assessed set of measurements against a defined standard. You don't need to have perfect vision for that, only an understanding of how shit works (which seems to be in short supply these days).

[merkman]

Okay, so I'm a huge fan of Oblivion and I've taken the reviews I've read to heart. The audio from the UHD is clearly the best they've released, while the video is "soft" compared to the Blu-Ray, but the Blu-Ray doesn't have the better audio track.

It occurred to me today, that when other movies have had these sorts of issues, smart folks like us generally rip the audio and video, and combine them into alternate "version" of the film that has the best of both. Only I did some digging, and despite so many people agreeing that the UHD has the best audio, and the Blu the best video... no one seems to have used both to make such a "premium" version of the movie.

I don't own the UHD, because of the quality of the video. But I can't help wondering if I could rip the audio from that release, and the video from the Blu... what app might be the best at stitching the two back together with the least "errors" or issues possible? I'd love to be able to watch the movie with the best of both "discs".

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Yep, the whole point of using a metered calibration is precisely that you're NOT doing it by eye but that you're using an objectively assessed set of measurements against a defined standard. You don't need to have perfect vision for that, only an understanding of how shit works (which seems to be in short supply these days).

Hello everyone

[ROSS.T.G.]

I give up on the subject. Explaining to some is pointless. Reminds me of the time I was showing my Dad how to setup his iPhone. He was nodding the entire time but I knew he wasn’t listening. By the time I got back home he was asking me how to use it again.

[Geoff D]

Reminds me of my folks.

[StingingVelvet]

One thing with color temperature is that the proper warm settings might look muddy or too warm depending on the manufacturer. I know many are thinking "that's why you get pro-calibration done" and yeah, true, but if you're not gonna pay up for that then you should really read reviews and see if the "out of the box" experience with your set is relatively accurate. It makes a big difference.

For example my old Vizio, which is now in my living room, has only three settings: warm, computer and cool. The warm setting is too warm, like 5500k, and the computer setting is too cool, like 7800k, IIRC. This drove me nuuuuuuuts because nothing looked at all accurate, plus it had a dirty screen problem which made the too warm setting look even muddier. In short, don't buy a new TV on reflex, even as a temporary setup until 4k came along, because everything will look like dogshit.

When I got my Samsung I read all the reviews and measurements and saw that "out of the box" Warm2 was pretty much right on 6500k white, and "out of the box" gamma was pretty much right at a 2.2 curve, and sure enough after hooking it up and watching some movies it was a revelation. It looks crisp, colorful, actually white and overall stunning.

So while I know a lot of people dislike warm settings because they're just not used to them, and should take time to adjust, I do think some warm settings are inaccurate and badly representing the setting.

tl;dr If you're not going to calibrate then buy something that comes pretty accurate, and don't judge warm settings by an inaccurate set.

[ROSS.T.G.]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

One thing with color temperature is that the proper warm settings might look muddy or too warm depending on the manufacturer. I know many are thinking "that's why you get pro-calibration done" and yeah, true, but if you're not gonna pay up for that then you should really read reviews and see if the "out of the box" experience with your set is relatively accurate. It makes a big difference.

For example my old Vizio, which is now in my living room, has only three settings: warm, computer and cool. The warm setting is too warm, like 5500k, and the computer setting is too cool, like 7800k, IIRC. This drove me nuuuuuuuts because nothing looked at all accurate, plus it had a dirty screen problem which made the too warm setting look even muddier. In short, don't buy a new TV on reflex, even as a temporary setup until 4k came along, because everything will look like dogshit.

When I got my Samsung I read all the reviews and measurements and saw that "out of the box" Warm2 was pretty much right on 6500k white, and "out of the box" gamma was pretty much right at a 2.2 curve, and sure enough after hooking it up and watching some movies it was a revelation. It looks crisp, colorful, actually white and overall stunning.

So while I know a lot of people dislike warm settings because they're just not used to them, and should take time to adjust, I do think some warm settings are inaccurate and badly representing the setting.

tl;dr If you're not going to calibrate then buy something that comes pretty accurate, and don't judge warm settings by an inaccurate set.

Yeah Vizio’s always had a read push. I had one of the last 1080p’s and it was a nightmare getting rid of the red skin tones. It was pretty much useless to calibrate. The 2017 M and P had a slight green push, they were solid out of the box but for some reason VIZIO clips above reference white. Of all the brands I found Panasonic, Sony and Samsung to have the best out of box accuracy.

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Yep, the whole point of using a metered calibration is precisely that you're NOT doing it by eye but that you're using an objectively assessed set of measurements against a defined standard. You don't need to have perfect vision for that, only an understanding of how shit works (which seems to be in short supply these days).

It’s the irony of it all.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

One thing with color temperature is that the proper warm settings might look muddy or too warm depending on the manufacturer. I know many are thinking "that's why you get pro-calibration done" and yeah, true, but if you're not gonna pay up for that then you should really read reviews and see if the "out of the box" experience with your set is relatively accurate. It makes a big difference.

For example my old Vizio, which is now in my living room, has only three settings: warm, computer and cool. The warm setting is too warm, like 5500k, and the computer setting is too cool, like 7800k, IIRC. This drove me nuuuuuuuts because nothing looked at all accurate, plus it had a dirty screen problem which made the too warm setting look even muddier. In short, don't buy a new TV on reflex, even as a temporary setup until 4k came along, because everything will look like dogshit.

When I got my Samsung I read all the reviews and measurements and saw that "out of the box" Warm2 was pretty much right on 6500k white, and "out of the box" gamma was pretty much right at a 2.2 curve, and sure enough after hooking it up and watching some movies it was a revelation. It looks crisp, colorful, actually white and overall stunning.

So while I know a lot of people dislike warm settings because they're just not used to them, and should take time to adjust, I do think some warm settings are inaccurate and badly representing the setting.

tl;dr If you're not going to calibrate then buy something that comes pretty accurate, and don't judge warm settings by an inaccurate set.

The problem is that we can have the same exact model TV on warm 2 and yet the color temperature won't look the same still.
Now back to Oblivion UHD, I give it 5 for video and 5 for audio

[levcore]

5 out of 10

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by levcore

5 out of 10

5 out of 4

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

The problem is that we can have the same exact model TV on warm 2 and yet the color temperature won't look the same still.
Now back to Oblivion UHD, I give it 5 for video and 5 for audio

...which is why calibration exists, to get those two TVs looking the same and to ensure consistency of presentation across them. You simply don't know what the greyscale/colour temperature is actually doing across the brightness range unless it's been measured, no matter what the reviews say about x TV being very good out of the box.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

...which is why calibration exists, to get those two TVs looking the same and to ensure consistency of presentation across them. You simply don't know what the greyscale/colour temperature is actually doing across the brightness range unless it's been measured, no matter what the reviews say about x TV being very good out of the box.

Correct, also the same exact panel can push green, red, or blue ootb. But the debate here is by what percentage are new high-end panels off the mark pre-calibration? Is the greyscale pre-calibration all peaks and valleys or just slightly off?

[ROSS.T.G.]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Correct, also the same exact panel can push green, red, or blue ootb. But the debate here is by what percentage are new high-end panels off the mark pre-calibration? Is the greyscale pre-calibration all peaks and valleys or just slightly off?

He answered that question. No way in knowing unless you measure with a meter. There isn’t a percentage, most panels will have a dE under 5. Under 3 is good, under 2 is excellent but I’ve never seen a panel under 2 out of the box. Ever.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

He answered that question. No way in knowing unless you measure with a meter. There isn’t a percentage, most panels will have a dE under 5. Under 3 is good, under 2 is excellent but I’ve never seen a panel under 2 out of the box. Ever.

Yes but from what I understand newer models are getting closer to under 2 all around. ISF picture settings should be close enough to deliver enough accuracy whereas we wont have to wonder why snow looks yellow or why clouds look turquoise.

[shield80]

My B7 had a delta of 5 out of the box, after calibration 1,2