Gladiator (2000)

[persuazion]

Will all the people who havent watched the Gladiator blu yet and are still debating and arguing over the transfer please exit the thread now. How can you base your own opinion off of others reviews? The Amazon idiots putting up 1 star reviews before they movie is even released is bad enough.....the same people saying they canceled their preorder or wrote letters are the same people acting like they watched the movie....

[surfdude12]

Originally Posted by persuazion

Will all the people who havent watched the Gladiator blu yet and are still debating and arguing over the transfer please exit the thread now. How can you base your own opinion off of others reviews? The Amazon idiots putting up 1 star reviews before they movie is even released is bad enough.....the same people saying they canceled their preorder or wrote letters are the same people acting like they watched the movie....

i've watched it, can i stay?

[surfdude12]

Originally Posted by Petri Teittinen

Like I said, the latter half of the battle contains a number of stylized shots. They are extremely obvious and very blurry indeed. But they are scattered around the latter half, interspersed with regular, non-stylized shots. While those regular shots look blurry and soft on Blu-ray, they do not look blurry and soft in the HDTV broadcast. That's all I am saying.

yeah i personally wasn't troubled by those shots or the Ext Ed shots, it was the other 90% of the film. I knew that sequence had a dream-like feel to it, with the ironic emotional music in the background while maximus' dudes are slaughtering the injured.

[Gremal]

Originally Posted by surfdude12

don't think you've told us how you felt overall about the PQ yet (any idea on what you'd have give it out of 5)?

I want to watch the theatrical version and get another viewing session in before I commit to a number.

[PrivatePixel]

Originally Posted by Beta Man

I've heard comments from people here such as "Blu-ray should be so good that there isn't any grain at all" sheesh... and this is coming from people whom I'd assume have a little better understanding of film and technology than the average consumer (since they seek out info from online forums etc)

I think this stems from misinformation, but I will leave that discussion for another thread.

As for the topic on the absence of grain, there are a number of factors to consider, including (but not limited to) the quality of the source material, the director's input, the studio's input, as well as feedback from focus groups. I think too much weight has been placed on the opinions of focus group participants, whose wishes are likely to differ from the director's. I am of the belief that the director's vision should always be observed and implemented, and that the audience should accept what s/he intended to convey. However, if a director chooses to revisit the source material and wishes to have it cleaned up, s/he is well within her right to do so, and I would respect what is offered eventually because it's in line with his/her vision. If the director oversees the effort and scrutinizes the production, but something still goes awry between this and the Blu-ray / DVD pressing, the studio should assume the blame for their shortcomings.

It is my belief that the general public can't be trusted to make sound judgments, much less empowered with the ability to dictate what the final product should look like; this is why I hate input from focus groups, polls, etc. The most popular opinion isn't always the correct one. Someone with little to no knowledge on a subject should not affect what film aficionados expect to see because J6P doesn't like this or that. I know why studios do it; the eventual decision will yield greater returns, and for studios, it has always been about the bottom line. Unless you wield political clout with the studios, whatever finds its way onto a disc is left to studio heads to decide.

While I do think that those who freely participate on these forums are more knowledgeable than your average pedestrian and have a vested interest in this hobby, disinformation and misinformation still persists, reinforced by pride and stubbornness. I'll admit that I'm no encyclopaedia on the subject of Blu-ray, but I do keep an open mind.

[tilapiah6]

Originally Posted by PrivatePixel

I think this stems from misinformation, but I will leave that discussion for another thread.

As for the topic on the absence of grain, there are a number of factors to consider, including (but not limited to) the quality of the source material, the director's input, the studio's input, as well as feedback from focus groups. I think too much weight has been placed on the opinions of focus group participants, whose wishes are likely to differ from the director's. I am of the belief that the director's vision should always be observed and implemented, and that the audience should accept what s/he intended to convey. However, if a director chooses to revisit the source material and wishes to have it cleaned up, s/he is well within her right to do so, and I would respect what is offered eventually because it's in line with his/her vision. If the director oversees the effort and scrutinizes the production, but something still goes awry between this and the Blu-ray / DVD pressing, the studio should assume the blame for their shortcomings.

It is my belief that the general public can't be trusted to make sound judgments, much less empowered with the ability to dictate what the final product should look like; this is why I hate input from focus groups, polls, etc. The most popular opinion isn't always the correct one. Someone with little to no knowledge on a subject should not affect what film aficionados expect to see because J6P doesn't like this or that. I know why studios do it; the eventual decision will yield greater returns, and for studios, it has always been about the bottom line. Unless you wield political clout with the studios, whatever finds its way onto a disc is left to studio heads to decide.

While I do think that those who freely participate on these forums are more knowledgeable than your average pedestrian and have a vested interest in this hobby, disinformation and misinformation still persists, reinforced by pride and stubbornness. I'll admit that I'm no encyclopaedia on the subject of Blu-ray, but I do keep an open mind.

Sounds good. Time to close this thread, methinks.

[RIKANA]

I know this is not on topic but...

Is anyone ealse haveing trobble watching Gladiator on there PS3. Please help I hve updated the system befor i got the BD.

Thanks for your help,

RI

[surfdude12]

Originally Posted by Gremal

I want to watch the theatrical version and get another viewing session in before I commit to a number.

cool, thanks Greg. by the way, love your reviews!

[persuazion]

Originally Posted by surfdude12

i've watched it, can i stay?

yeah I dont mean you or people that have actually checked it out for themselves.....at least you have a basis for your argument...

[kurtis21]

Originally Posted by RIKANA

I know this is not on topic but...

Is anyone ealse haveing trobble watching Gladiator on there PS3. Please help I hve updated the system befor i got the BD.

Thanks for your help,

RI

I believe that Sony has said that they're having problems with their new update (3.0) i think. Sony said they are trying to fix them pronto!

[ScarredLungs]

Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

You've been here since 2007....you are not entitled to ask that.

I know

It has just never clicked

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by Gremal

On the contrary, he didn't address what I was talking about and missed my point entirely. I guess you did too, twice now.

Anyway...

Are you ever going to answer my question? Youve dodged it 3 times now.

Is it a good transfer?

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by PrivatePixel

Source? If a source can't be cited, then I will have to discount your reply.... and your analogy is still incorrect because you don't understand the intent or definition of impressionism; saying that it was an impressionistic approach to lend credence to your argument serves to reinforce this.

LOl. I toldya he didnt get it.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by Gremal

Watch the movie! The battle scene goes into a dream-like sequence in which the video and even the audio is postproduced to look blurred and sound muffled--the fog of war, if you will. I had no idea simply pointing out this VERY OBVIOUS feature of the scene would be controversial or would require a "source". If you really genuinely positively don't understand what I'm talking about I will go home and identify the exact time sequence, but I'm telling you it's VERY OBVIOUS.



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No kidding. We get that. We understand that. Add DNR and glowing halos and it kinda ruins the whole sureal look he created. Do you get it?

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by surfdude12

don't think you've told us how you felt overall about the PQ yet (any idea on what you'd have give it out of 5)?

I have asked at least 3 times.

Does he consider it a good overall transfer? Yes or no?

I dont want a number. I dont want to read "better than DVD".

I say it is not good. Its not the worst, but its poor, not good.

Why wont Greg answer me?

[Elvis]

Why don't you chill out? Maybe he has a life......

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by Elvis

Why don't you chill out? Maybe he has a life......

Maybe he does.

I see he responded to Surfdude that he desires more viewing time.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Well, I finally got the chance to watch both Gladiator and Braveheart.

Gladiator: I had originally cancelled me preorder, ended up picking it up anyway - had to see what all the fuss was about. Looks exactly like a digitally manipulated HDTV broadcast. This is simply HDTV broadcast quality, and that's nowhere near good enough for BluRay. Better than DVD? Yes. Is that good enough? No. For one of the highest grossing movies of all time this got a startlingly disappointing transfer. Would probably not have noticed that missing CG had I not been specifially looking for it (and I was) but the horrendous heavily-manipulated-by-EE-and-DNR coupled with it being a lower quality transfer was present throughout (apart from the extended scenes which made for an odd visual contrast) and could not be ignored. 5 - 6 / 10

Braveheart: Holy shit, Honestly. Superb transfer all around. From my viewing experience no complaints whatsoever (unless you count "Why can't all releases look like this" as a complaint.) They just did a fantastic job on this one, not much else to say. If whatever group of staff that were responsible for this BluRay release were made to be responsible for every one of Paramount's their quality would be stuff of legend. 10 /10.

[Sagacious Koreo]

There's a Gladiator Bluray up for order on DDDHouse.com. Does anyone know if it's any better?

[Sussudio]

Originally Posted by Sagacious Koreo

There's a Gladiator Bluray up for order on DDDHouse.com. Does anyone know if it's any better?

Why would it be?