Gladiator (2000)

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by TTUBatfan2008

Who said anything about only watching a film frame by frame to look for errors? I don't do that. In fact I never do it. Other people on the Internet apparently do. They've created websites dedicated to that kind of stuff. I just found it pretty funny that the director was whining about not winning some stupid award when his direction wasn't perfect by any means.

I did not mean you did, I was just replying to your post, sorry about that. I was just more concerne about those that actualy do stuff like that.

Well as for Scott lack of humilty, in my experience people who have a high success drive, are driven by wanting to be on top, want to be applauded and praise for the things they do will generaly have very low treshold of humility, it goes with what they do. Don't get me wrong you can find very succesful people who are very humble but it's pretty rare to find them in the artistic world. When you have a "entourage" of people around you praising you all day long and telling you that you are "God's gift to the universe" so to speak you just know that these people will have a very large ego

[Blu-Malibu2009]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

I did not mean you did, I was just replying to your post, sorry about that. I was just more concerne about those that actualy do stuff like that.

Well as for Scott lack of humilty, in my experience people who have a high success drive, are driven by wanting to be on top, want to be applauded and praise for the things they do will generaly have very low treshold of humility, it goes with what they do. Don't get me wrong you can find very succesful people who are very humble but it's pretty rare to find them in the artistic world. When you have a "entourage" of people around you praising you all day long and telling you that you are "God's gift to the universe" so to speak you just know that these people will have a very large ego

It just seems very disrespectful to the scriptwriters to isninuate that the Director was the primary reason that the film won Best Picture, which is pretty much what Ridley did when he whined about not winning. "How can the director of the Best Picture not win Best Director?" The biggest factor in a great film is having a great story and good dialogue. Ridley did not write the script, yet he wants to take full credit for the film turning out so well. To me it seems like a slap in the face to Franzoni, Logan, and Nicholson.

And yes there's lots of arrogance and lack of humility in hugely successful people. I think you have to have at least some kind of ego and confidence that you know what you want to do and you know how to get it done. I think everyone has this in them, but some have enough humility to not act like jerks despite their inner self-confidence. Michael Jordan showed his lack of humility recently at his Hall of Fame speech. But without that arrogance, he probably doesn't become the best basketball player of his generation. I don't know if the same applies to filmmaking though. Chris Nolan is far more humble than Ridley and hasn't pumped out any turds like "Legend" (one of the worst movies EVER made).

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by TTUBatfan2008

It just seems very disrespectful to the scriptwriters to isninuate that the Director was the primary reason that the film won Best Picture, which is pretty much what Ridley did when he whined about not winning. "How can the director of the Best Picture not win Best Director?" The biggest factor in a great film is having a great story and good dialogue. Ridley did not write the script, yet he wants to take full credit for the film turning out so well. To me it seems like a slap in the face to Franzoni, Logan, and Nicholson.

And yes there's lots of arrogance and lack of humility in hugely successful people. I think you have to have at least some kind of ego and confidence that you know what you want to do and you know how to get it done. I think everyone has this in them, but some have enough humility to not act like jerks despite their inner self-confidence. Michael Jordan showed his lack of humility recently at his Hall of Fame speech. But without that arrogance, he probably doesn't become the best basketball player of his generation. I don't know if the same applies to filmmaking though. Chris Nolan is far more humble than Ridley and hasn't pumped out any turds like "Legend" (one of the worst movies EVER made).

It all depend on your personality I suppose. It's hard to say as while I am happy with my work and my life I doubt I will be remember for very long after I am call to the great home theater in the sky unlike Michael Jordan & Riddley Scott.

Some do keep their humilty for a long time or for most of their life and they are very often very respected in ways that others will never be. I see sometimes that some get corrupted on their way to the top, not unlike certain polititians. I also find that too many of them seem to be tempted to make idiots of themselves. I am unsure since I doubt I will ever be place in the same situation but I would think I would be bright enough to shut my trap when I have microphones place in front of me all day long. If I don't there is a very good chance that at one point I will say something very stupid and look like a idiot. But I am not in that position so it's not easy to know what might be going on in their brain. I can only hope I would do a little better then most of them do.

[Blu-Malibu2009]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

It all depend on your personality I suppose. It's hard to say as while I am happy with my work and my life I doubt I will be remember for very long after I am call to the great home theater in the sky unlike Michael Jordan & Riddley Scott.

Some do keep their humilty for a long time or for most of their life and they are very often very respected in ways that others will never be. I see sometimes that some get corrupted on their way to the top, not unlike certain polititians. I also find that too many of them seem to be tempted to make idiots of themselves. I am unsure since I doubt I will ever be place in the same situation but I would think I would be bright enough to shut my trap when I have microphones place in front of me all day long. If I don't there is a very good chance that at one point I will say something very stupid and look like a idiot. But I am not in that position so it's not easy to know what might be going on in their brain. I can only hope I would do a little better then most of them do.

Things are getting worse with the era of YouTube. Celebrities have to be very careful to avoid making a fool of themselves. Privacy for celebrities has pretty much gone down the tubes entirely, but then again it's a trade-off. They lose their privacy but gain tremendous wealth that allows them to go buy an island and live there in privacy if they want.

As for being remembered, it just depends on the person's ambition. Most of us are just happy to work and (hopefully) retire at an early enough age to enjoy our latter years on Earth. Others are ambitious enough to try to become the best in various fields that create fame. Nothing wrong with either approach. I'm grateful for the ultra ambitious types because they (including arrogant Ridley) create memorable entertainment for the rest of us.

[thecardman23]

sorry, not to de-rail this direction of conversation (as you guys seem to have a pretty good back and fourth arguments about this whole director award winning issue). but i was just wondering if with the sub-par PQ transfer on this release... if Gladiator is getting a re-mastered release on its 10th year aniv this coming may. anybody know?

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by TTUBatfan2008

Things are getting worse with the era of YouTube. Celebrities have to be very careful to avoid making a fool of themselves. Privacy for celebrities has pretty much gone down the tubes entirely, but then again it's a trade-off. They lose their privacy but gain tremendous wealth that allows them to go buy an island and live there in privacy if they want.

As for being remembered, it just depends on the person's ambition. Most of us are just happy to work and (hopefully) retire at an early enough age to enjoy our latter years on Earth. Others are ambitious enough to try to become the best in various fields that create fame. Nothing wrong with either approach. I'm grateful for the ultra ambitious types because they (including arrogant Ridley) create memorable entertainment for the rest of us.

Cameras on cell phones, make a stupid thing like drinking 32 shots with friends or in a bar just to goof off like many others do and yep it's on the net in less then 5 minutes. That is why I wonder why so many, specialy the younger generation seem to go out of their way to do stupid stuff.

As for Gladiator, I haven't bought it, seen it only once and it was enough for me, not a movie that I would wish to see that often anyway. But dispite all the faults and the transfert problem I would still think it's a good buy for someone who truly enjoy the movie? I think it's still better then the DVD?

[Sussudio]

Originally Posted by thecardman23

sorry, not to de-rail this direction of conversation (as you guys seem to have a pretty good back and fourth arguments about this whole director award winning issue). but i was just wondering if with the sub-par PQ transfer on this release... if Gladiator is getting a re-mastered release on its 10th year aniv this coming may. anybody know?

No one knows......obviously this was just released....with 2 cuts of the movie and loads of special features.....not really sure why they would re-release this again if this version is selling like hot-cakes (which it is )

[Blu-Malibu2009]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

I think it's still better then the DVD?

Definitely better than the DVD. Due to the processing on the transfer, it has lost a lot of its film-like appearance. Looks a bit waxy. The colors are also too saturated. I had to crank my TV's color settings down into negative territory to make it look decent. But all in all it is not the worst I've seen on BD and it's definitely better than the DVD. I doubt there will be a re-release, but at the same time I wouldn't be shocked if they do a 10th Anniversary edition.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by thecardman23

sorry, not to de-rail this direction of conversation (as you guys seem to have a pretty good back and fourth arguments about this whole director award winning issue). but i was just wondering if with the sub-par PQ transfer on this release... if Gladiator is getting a re-mastered release on its 10th year aniv this coming may. anybody know?

I don't know what would be the chances of that, the BD is selling well and the 10th anniversary is just around the corner so I think there is very little chance of that happening right now.

[andyman1970]

Originally Posted by TTUBatfan2008

Take a close look at these and you will see the circled errors...

http://www.moviemistakes.com/picture3362

http://www.moviemistakes.com/picture3402

Some people have nothing to do then sit around and find mistakes in movies.

Originally Posted by Swede

Talk about watching movies frame-by-frame, but seriously you can find stuff like this on pretty much any other movie ever made

BTW I'd guess Ridley Scott is fairly happy with the 5 Oscar Wins the movie received, and well he did get the nomination for best director didn't he?

+1000. I guess Gladiator didn't keep some people entertained.

Hmmm, how long before we start seeing errors in The Dark Knight pointed out.

[Blu-Malibu2009]

Originally Posted by andyman1970

Some people have nothing to do then sit around and find mistakes in movies.



+1000. I guess Gladiator didn't keep some people entertained.

Hmmm, how long before we start seeing errors in The Dark Knight pointed out.

It's already happened.

http://www.moviemistakes.com/film6359

[Swede]

Originally Posted by thecardman23

sorry, not to de-rail this direction of conversation (as you guys seem to have a pretty good back and fourth arguments about this whole director award winning issue). but i was just wondering if with the sub-par PQ transfer on this release... if Gladiator is getting a re-mastered release on its 10th year aniv this coming may. anybody know?

Now THAT if anything would be a slap in the face to everyone who bought this version, releasing a new 10th anniv. edition less than a year after the highly touted "sapphire" release, but who knows. The only sensible thing for them to do would be a recall, but who knows if that will ever happen either...

Movie studios LOVE their double/triple/quadruple-dipping

[Blu-Malibu2009]

Originally Posted by Swede

Movie studios LOVE their double/triple/quadruple-dipping

Yes they do!

Good news is that if you bought Gladiator and Braveheart together at Best Buy during their first week of release, you end up paying $8 for each of them after rebates.

[sfmarine]

Originally Posted by TTUBatfan2008

Yes they do!

Good news is that if you bought Gladiator and Braveheart together at Best Buy during their first week of release, you end up paying $8 for each of them after rebates.

I am so lazy about those damn rebates...I need to get on that!

[Swede]

Originally Posted by andyman1970

Hmmm, how long before we start seeing errors in The Dark Knight pointed out.

I just did... to make a point

Seriously though, it really is amazing the amount of "goofs" people find in movies, reaching upwards of hundreds in many big blockbuster movies. I have to admit I rarely see them, and even when I do I'm usually not bothered by them. I just don't see how you can demand Ridley Scott to be perfect, when noone else is...

I have no idea if Ridley Scott is arrogant or if he actually questioned why he did not get best director for Gladiator, but I do know he has been responsible for directing a lot of great movies over the years. Not a lot of people can beat his resume of movies like Alien, Blade Runner, Black Rain, Thelma & Louise, Gladiator, Black Hawk Down and Kingdom of Heaven, many of which happen to be some of my personal favorites. Ooh, I just spotted something interesting at the top of the list there, '# Untitled Alien Prequel (2011) (announced)'... Interesting! Could that mean that the Aliens franchise may finally get a movie that's actually GOOD??

[Swede]

Originally Posted by TTUBatfan2008

Yes they do!

Good news is that if you bought Gladiator and Braveheart together at Best Buy during their first week of release, you end up paying $8 for each of them after rebates.

I know, I'm still spanking myself for missing that Especially Braveheart.... and I even had a $10 reward certificate, at least I was able to use that one on Snow white instead

[Blu-Malibu2009]

Originally Posted by Swede

I just did... to make a point

Seriously though, it really is amazing the amount of "goofs" people find in movies, reaching upwards of hundreds in many big blockbuster movies. I have to admit I rarely see them, and even when I do I'm usually not bothered by them. I just don't see how you can demand Ridley Scott to be perfect, when noone else is...

I have no idea if Ridley Scott is arrogant or if he actually questioned why he did not get best director for Gladiator, but I do know he has been responsible for directing a lot of great movies over the years. Not a lot of people can beat his resume of movies like Alien, Blade Runner, Black Rain, Thelma & Louise, Gladiator, Black Hawk Down and Kingdom of Heaven, many of which happen to be some of my personal favorites. Ooh, I just spotted something interesting at the top of the list there, '# Untitled Alien Prequel (2011) (announced)'... Interesting! Could that mean that the Aliens franchise may finally get a movie that's actually GOOD??

Scott is great, but he's not perfect. See "Legend" and "G.I. Jane" for a couple of his duds. I think Body of Lies was also pretty mediocre by his standards.

[Swede]

Originally Posted by TTUBatfan2008

Scott is great, but he's not perfect. See "Legend" and "G.I. Jane" for a couple of his duds. I think Body of Lies was also pretty mediocre by his standards.

No disagreement there. I was also very disappointed by Body of lies, not at all as good as I was hoping for and in fact pretty boring.

[Blu-Malibu2009]

Originally Posted by Swede

No disagreement there. I was also very disappointed by Body of lies, not at all as good as I was hoping for and in fact pretty boring.

Yeah. That was one of those movies that had badass marketing but the film wasn't anywhere near as good as the marketing.

[Damage Inc.]

Originally Posted by Swede

I just did... to make a point

Seriously though, it really is amazing the amount of "goofs" people find in movies, reaching upwards of hundreds in many big blockbuster movies. I have to admit I rarely see them, and even when I do I'm usually not bothered by them. I just don't see how you can demand Ridley Scott to be perfect, when noone else is...

I have no idea if Ridley Scott is arrogant or if he actually questioned why he did not get best director for Gladiator, but I do know he has been responsible for directing a lot of great movies over the years. Not a lot of people can beat his resume of movies like Alien, Blade Runner, Black Rain, Thelma & Louise, Gladiator, Black Hawk Down and Kingdom of Heaven, many of which happen to be some of my personal favorites. Ooh, I just spotted something interesting at the top of the list there, '# Untitled Alien Prequel (2011) (announced)'... Interesting! Could that mean that the Aliens franchise may finally get a movie that's actually GOOD??

Yeah, you know... you do notice though, that the newer films do have less silly mistakes.
I mean, some are just terrible and nasty mistakes,
but many and more and more later films have like these minor mistakes
of which you indeed say "Meh, doesn't bother me..." cause you barely see it anyway.

Myself I would be so strict in that though.
I'd be so set on not moving anything to keep everything as-is,
the whole continuation and all.
Just seems so weird to me that someone needs to go on-set
and move some prop in the background for example. XD
I mean... man, that guy should get slapped on the hands with a big plank or something. :P
The guy's like sneaking around there and goes "Haha, nobody noticed, but it WILL show on film!".
Could happen accidentally of course,
but then I think you should make some good agreements to prevent such things.

Funny how there suddenly is a new 'Alien'-film coming.
I have never seen it, just parts you know,
but I was going to borrow the DVD-set from an uncle to see if I like it too. :P