Gladiator (2000)

[tvine2000]

Originally Posted by retablo

They won't, and why should they? There was nothing "defective" about the first Gladiator disc, except that someone DNR'd it to death. The PQ was terrible, but alot of people liked it for some unknown reason. But it would still play properly, unlike Saving Private Ryan. That had an audio glitch and was an authoring error, that's why it got a replacement. Bad PQ is subjective, in a way; sync issues in audio isn't.

I don't think bad pq is subjective.I just think some people just don't want to admitt it. With GLADIATOR it was how could a studio release this mess! And call it hi-def.Now we know universal was behind this with there recyled hd masters,yet SOME people that bought this title still think it looks good,knowing the facts.That just pride and money ripped from there wallet. I hope universal did the right thing this time and give GLADIATOR FANS WHAT THEY WANTED IN THE FIRST PLACE.I like to think universal might now realize people that buy bd movies are not idots they thought we were,but judging from the catalog titles they did after that the ''not idots'' part may take some time.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by tvine2000

I don't think bad pq is subjective.I just think some people just don't want to admitt it. With GLADIATOR it was how could a studio release this mess! And call it hi-def.Now we know universal was behind this with there recyled hd masters,yet SOME people that bought this title still think it looks good,knowing the facts.That just pride and money ripped from there wallet. I hope universal did the right thing this time and give GLADIATOR FANS WHAT THEY WANTED IN THE FIRST PLACE.I like to think universal might now realize people that buy bd movies are not idots they thought we were,but judging from the catalog titles they did after that the ''not idots'' part may take some time.

They released Spartacus with the same, recycled master just a month or so ago, so no, they didn't learn.

I'm no fan of the Gladiator disc, but there are a lot of average consumers, who don't know better, who think it looked great.

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by retablo

They won't, and why should they? There was nothing "defective" about the first Gladiator disc, except that someone DNR'd it to death. The PQ was terrible, but alot of people liked it for some unknown reason. But it would still play properly, unlike Saving Private Ryan. That had an audio glitch and was an authoring error, that's why it got a replacement. Bad PQ is subjective, in a way; sync issues in audio isn't.

However, on the back cover they specifically say it's presented in "perfect picture and sound." Now, if the box didn't say that (or if they weren't releasing a new version a year later), I'd say they probably shouldn't do the replacement program. I wasn't a fan of what Disney did with Gangs of New York, but that's an early disc from them so I can somewhat understand it. But to release another version around a year later to fix the PQ and then not offer a replacement program to those who supported Paramount and the Sapphire Series releases just seems wrong.

[KubrickFan]

Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

However, on the back cover they specifically say it's presented in "perfect picture and sound." Now, if the box didn't say that (or if they weren't releasing a new version a year later), I'd say they probably shouldn't do the replacement program. I wasn't a fan of what Disney did with Gangs of New York, but that's an early disc from them so I can somewhat understand it. But to release another version around a year later to fix the PQ and then not offer a replacement program to those who supported Paramount and the Sapphire Series releases just seems wrong.

'Perfect' is a little bit subjective, don't you think? If it was grainy and dull, but that was the way it was intended, there would still be people who didn't think it was perfect. Don't let some marketing term guide you.

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by KubrickFan

'Perfect' is a little bit subjective, don't you think? If it was grainy and dull, but that was the way it was intended, there would still be people who didn't think it was perfect. Don't let some marketing term guide you.

I cannot believe that there are people actually against an exchange program.

I also don't let marketing terms guide me (just like I don't let screenshots or other people's opinions guide me). You can look at the previous Ridley Scott releases (such as Kingdom of Heaven and Blade Runner) and see the quality there. He even said how Kingdom of Heaven represents his vision perfectly. Then combine that with the PR stuff for the Sapphire Series. They were bragging about how it's the greatest thing ever and will present the highest quality picture and sound. Not to mention the back also said what I already stated.

Clearly that is not the case with Gladiator. Which is why I think an exchange program is in order. But if it's not, that's alright. I'll simply just stick with the current release. I don't mind double dipping when it's for a reason like adding features. However, when it's clearly to correct a mistake they made on the first release, I have an issue with it.

[AintNoSin]

Originally Posted by deetee

I don't think anyone is "actually against an exchange program," just doubtful that there will actually be one

Yeah, I think we're mostly against people getting their hopes up.

[vegeta88]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

Lad? I'm 9 years older than you but right now I'm just glad this is coming out so soon since I already sold it.

Originally Posted by Q!

It's supposed to spell "glad"

Thanks Q!
I forgot to use spellcheck

Really looking forward to a better release of this film. It is not one f my favorite films, but it is really good. I really enjoy Joaquin Phoenix's performance; super-creepy, but believable.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by deetee

I don't think anyone is "actually against an exchange program," just doubtful that there will actually be one

I disagree. I won't search through the hundreds of posts to find them now, but there were certainly people who were taking in pleasure in others' misery (e.g., "ha ha, you bought it, I waited, life sucks, ha ha ha ha" type responses).

[tvine2000]

Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

I cannot believe that there are people actually against an exchange program.

I also don't let marketing terms guide me (just like I don't let screenshots or other people's opinions guide me). You can look at the previous Ridley Scott releases (such as Kingdom of Heaven and Blade Runner) and see the quality there. He even said how Kingdom of Heaven represents his vision perfectly. Then combine that with the PR stuff for the Sapphire Series. They were bragging about how it's the greatest thing ever and will present the highest quality picture and sound. Not to mention the back also said what I already stated.

Clearly that is not the case with Gladiator. Which is why I think an exchange program is in order. But if it's not, that's alright. I'll simply just stick with the current release. I don't mind double dipping when it's for a reason like adding features. However, when it's clearly to correct a mistake they made on the first release, I have an issue with it.

But a MISTAKE it wasn't! They new what they were doing.In the home video market studios such as universal and wb are just plain lazy.If they can get by with sub par bd movies ,they will.But they should do right and do the exchange program.

[tvine2000]

Originally Posted by retablo

They released Spartacus with the same, recycled master just a month or so ago, so no, they didn't learn.

I'm no fan of the Gladiator disc, but there are a lot of average consumers, who don't know better, who think it looked great.

I understand you clearly.But you would think if your investing in a hdtv and a blu-ray player,even the average consumer would want to know things we want to know,...i guess not

[SleeperAgent]

Originally Posted by tvine2000

I understand you clearly.But you would think if your investing in a hdtv and a blu-ray player,even the average consumer would want to know things we want to know,...i guess not

To the Average (keyword) consumer, DNR is great....

[tvine2000]

Originally Posted by SleeperAgent

To the Average (keyword) consumer, DNR is great....

Maybe ,but who started this dnr shit, the studios,did they not.thats all the average consumer knows. PLEASE don't say grain,because i've been in homes where they have a 37'' tv watching it 10 or more ft away.How would they even see the grain.Besides like i said ,show them how to use the dnr on there tvs or bd players and leave the tranfers alone.Give us a chose. JUst a thought but i am an AVERAGE CONSUMER,there not all stupid.

[tvine2000]

Originally Posted by retablo

They released Spartacus with the same, recycled master just a month or so ago, so no, they didn't learn.

I'm no fan of the Gladiator disc, but there are a lot of average consumers, who don't know better, who think it looked great.

There were also people here that knew better and still defended it saying ''its better then the dvd''...sure it was

[ozzsoad]

Originally Posted by tvine2000

There were also people here that knew better and still defended it saying ''its better then the dvd''...sure it was

The picture quality isn't great, but saying it's no better than the DVD just makes you sound naive. The picture quality on Blu-ray is very much superior to the DVD. There's far more detail and clarity. Will I buy a remastered version? Definitely yes. But to say the current Blu-ray is no better than the DVD is just ridiculous.

[AintNoSin]

Originally Posted by ozzsoad

The picture quality isn't great, but saying it's no better than the DVD just makes you sound naive. The picture quality on Blu-ray is very much superior to the DVD. There's far more detail and clarity. Will I buy a remastered version? Definitely yes. But to say the current Blu-ray is no better than the DVD is just ridiculous.

Not so ridiculous. DVD can only be so good while Blu can be so much better. The DVD version of Gladiator was about as good as a DVD could be while the Blu-ray fell way short of the potential for the format. So the Blu-ray was "worse" because it wasn't close to what it should have been, while DVD made the most of a more limited format.

That's how I look at it, anyway.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by tvine2000

I understand you clearly.But you would think if your investing in a hdtv and a blu-ray player,even the average consumer would want to know things we want to know,...i guess not

Well, keep in mind that the many average consumers see little difference in dvd and blu.. so... there ya go.

[Filmmaker]

Originally Posted by AintNoSin

Not so ridiculous. DVD can only be so good while Blu can be so much better. The DVD version of Gladiator was about as good as a DVD could be while the Blu-ray fell way short of the potential for the format. So the Blu-ray was "worse" because it wasn't close to what it should have been, while DVD made the most of a more limited format.

That's how I look at it, anyway.

But if you're not willing to concede that, even with its major issues, the BD objectively offers more clarity and detail than the "made the most of the format" DVD, then you're coming off as petulant and, yes, ridiculous. No one is championing the current BD (and if anyone does, they should be ashamed) but it simply is--warts and all, one of the worst BD releases in the market and all--better than the DVD.

[AintNoSin]

Originally Posted by Filmmaker

But if you're not willing to concede that, even with its major issues, the BD objectively offers more clarity and detail than the "made the most of the format" DVD, then you're coming off as petulant and, yes, ridiculous. No one is championing the current BD (and if anyone does, they should be ashamed) but it simply is--warts and all, one of the worst BD releases in the market and all--better than the DVD.

Yeah, but "better than the DVD" is just a weak excuse. The worst big league baseball player is "better" than the best little leaguer, but that doesn't make him a "good" player.

Judged by the standards we should be applying to Blu-ray, the current Gladiator BD was completely unacceptable. Its quality relative to an inferior format is irrelevant.

[Filmmaker]

Originally Posted by AintNoSin

Yeah, but "better than the DVD" is just a weak excuse. The worst big league baseball player is "better" than the best little leaguer, but that doesn't make him a "good" player.

Judged by the standards we should be applying to Blu-ray, the current Gladiator BD was completely unacceptable. Its quality relative to an inferior format is irrelevant.

Understood, but if people were willing to buy "the best that DVD had to offer", which we've agreed is worse than the BD, it's not outside the pale that some of us would be willing to buy the current BD. Quality scales of BDs and DVDs separately aside, when you put the two on the same scale, an improvement is an improvement. I look forward to the next one.

[TheHutt]

"Gladiator" 10th Anniversary Edition (with remastered picture) has been scheduled for September 23rd in Germany. Previously, it had been scheduled for May, but was postponed by Universal.

http://www.areadvd.de/news/2010/07/0...-blu-ray-disc/