Gladiator (2000) - Page 193 - Blu-ray Forum

steve_dave · 07-21-2010, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cjones235

I know this has probably been answered somewhere in this thread but i wanna know is this remastered version gonna include the theatrical and the extended cuts or just the theatrical.

Nothing has been changed or dropped, you just get remastered picture for both versions.

AccidenT · 07-21-2010, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kinsella5

Anyone know when that $10 upgrade rebate expires? I got in on it for Braveheart, but didn't purchase Gladiator because of all the drama over it and curious if I should buy the current Blu-ray version and take advantage of the rebate (since I have the DVD UPC symbol still) and then do the disc exchange for the upcoming "revised" release, or if I should simply buy the revised version when it hits retail. Just curious when the $10 upgrade rebate ends if anyone knows. Thanks!

The purchase had to be made by 6/30/10, unless newer copies have a form with an extended date.

DNinja · 07-21-2010, 01:48 PM

Wow, what a difference on those new screenshots. The first release looks like a DVD in comparison. I'm definitely exchanging mine. This is a very good move, Paramount.

monty123 · 07-21-2010, 04:25 PM

Called this morning and they said to leave name and phone number and they would call back when the program was up and running.

I am curious if this is going to be a case of I will send you your's if you send me mine first and the exchange is done by USPS. That takes forever. I WANT MY "GOOD" GLADIATOR NOW.

HD Goofnut · 07-21-2010, 04:41 PM

Left my message for an exchange. I still don't feel bad for purchasing the first one last September since I only paid $10 for it.

persuazion · 07-21-2010, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petmic10

The people have spoken too.

Look at this particular shot.

http://comparescreenshots.slicx.com/...8257/picture:5

Notice the green part in the middle of his chest and how
it was scrubbed away buy noise reduction. The re-mastered
version is clearly superior and full of detail.

how come the pink flower part next to the scrubbed away green thing looks better in the original pic and it looks fuzzy in the new pic? Actually alot of the leaves and trim looks more detailed in the original pic...the colors are way different though.

Freekman · 07-21-2010, 04:44 PM

I don't regret purchasing the first release, as I had never seen the film before and the extras were abundant. I'm just glad Paramount is finally exchanging this; as much as I'm content with the first release, a better transfer will be much appreciated.

Red Pill 101 · 07-21-2010, 04:55 PM

THIS IS GREAT NEWS!

I just left my name/number with Paramount and hope to hear something SOON! I bet they are overwhelmed with messages. I still have my original receipt from Target; I kept it just in case...

Snowmaker · 07-21-2010, 04:58 PM

I'll wait until the program is underway. I don't like having to wait for them to call me back, wondering if they ever will.

captainjoe · 07-21-2010, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by persuazion

how come the pink flower part next to the scrubbed away green thing looks better in the original pic and it looks fuzzy in the new pic? Actually alot of the leaves and trim looks more detailed in the original pic...the colors are way different though.

Its not the exact frame and he's moving so what you're seeing is motion blur

Freekman · 07-21-2010, 05:19 PM

I'd much rather exchange it in store. It was real convenient when I did it for SPR and I'd like to keep it simple.

Snowmaker · 07-21-2010, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freekman

I'd much rather exchange it in store. It was real convenient when I did it for SPR and I'd like to keep it simple.

That's assuming they let you after all this time and you can tell its the corrected version.

SellmeyourDVD · 07-21-2010, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kinsella5

Anyone know when that $10 upgrade rebate expires? I got in on it for Braveheart, but didn't purchase Gladiator because of all the drama over it and curious if I should buy the current Blu-ray version and take advantage of the rebate (since I have the DVD UPC symbol still) and then do the disc exchange for the upcoming "revised" release, or if I should simply buy the revised version when it hits retail. Just curious when the $10 upgrade rebate ends if anyone knows. Thanks!

The end of this month I believe

petmic10 · 07-21-2010, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by persuazion

how come the pink flower part next to the scrubbed away green thing looks better in the original pic and it looks fuzzy in the new pic? Actually alot of the leaves and trim looks more detailed in the original pic...the colors are way different though.

As captainjoe pointed out it is not the exact frame.

Quote:

Originally Posted by captainjoe

Its not the exact frame and he's moving so what you're seeing is motion blur

Thank You.

aramis109 · 07-21-2010, 05:33 PM

K, lemme try and help some people out here that say the original looks better or they can't tell a difference. These are obviously only screenshots, but still folks should be able to pull out these differences. Of course, seeing the film in motion is the big thing, but we can still glean some things from the screenshots:

http://comparescreenshots.slicx.com/comparison/68257

1. Due to EE, robes have halos and overly-bright and unnatural looking white folds. Excessive "ringing" around figures. Look at the main Senator's white hair. When swapping to the remastered version, color timing is obviously different (looks more blue but still more natural to me), unnatural white robes now look natural and have more detail, and the Senator's white hair now doesn't look like clumps. More fine detail is to be seen as well.

2. Color timing is obviously different, again with a more blue tint on the remastered shot. Facial detail and leather detail on Commodus' lapels are the big tells in this shot. Grain can now be seen.

3. Color timing, again. Marcus Aurelius' hairline and brow don't look waxy, detail can be seen in wrinkles and hair. Armor detail gets a big boost here.

4. This one should be obvious. EE ringing around the lion standard and flag are really prominent, loss of detail in ringmail armor and figures in the middle of the frame. In the remastered shot, there's a lot more detail in the armor- rings can be seen, facial expressions show up, Maximus' horse's armor has more detail as well. Shot looks more natural and less like everyone has a glowing forcefield around them.

5. Big difference in color timing. I can only remember the DVD and I don't remember it ever being that blue. I was dissatisfied with the colors on the BD, so this is something I see as an improvement. That aside, a lot more facial detail is present, armor detail, and the faint EE ringing around Maximus is gone. Grain is visible but it's far from distracting.

6. These aren't the same frame exactly, which makes comparison a little more difficult. You can tell because of the clothing and a curl of hair on the right of the frame moves slightly. However, there's less pink pig and more portly announcer (color timing seems much improved) and more facial detail is present. There's more and less detail around clothing due to the differing frames.

Hope this helps or at least sparks some more contructive debate than "the new is better" or vice versa.

TheZoof · 07-21-2010, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xorp

Bill Hunts didn't give AVSForum credit for posting proof of the new transfer

Anyway here's more comparisons from there:
http://comparescreenshots.slicx.com/comparison/68116
http://comparescreenshots.slicx.com/comparison/68131
http://comparescreenshots.slicx.com/comparison/68257
http://comparescreenshots.slicx.com/comparison/68319
http://comparescreenshots.slicx.com/comparison/68360
http://comparescreenshots.slicx.com/comparison/68383

Am I missing something here? Looking at the first two screenshots the original release is a lot better...

Take a look at #2 and don't tell me there isn't detail lost in the Emperor's forehead. The colour in #1 isn't how it should look at all.

I might stick with my original copy... or buy the new one and sell the one I like least.

42041 · 07-21-2010, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheZoof

The colour in #1 isn't how it should look at all.

According to what?

petmic10 · 07-21-2010, 05:56 PM

aramis,

Excellent summary.

Quote:

5. Big difference in color timing. I can only remember the DVD and I don't remember it ever being that blue. I was dissatisfied with the colors on the BD, so this is something I see as an improvement. That aside, a lot more facial detail is present, armor detail, and the faint EE ringing around Maximus is gone. Grain is visible but it's far from distracting.

I still have the original dvd and to me the color looks more
like what I'm seeing in the stills of the re-mastered version
but I could be wrong.

Regardless, this is a huge step up from the original.

Come on Paramount, call me back already.

petmic10 · 07-21-2010, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheZoof

Am I missing something here? Looking at the first two screenshots the original release is a lot better...

Take a look at #2 and don't tell me there isn't detail lost in the Emperor's forehead. The colour in #1 isn't how it should look at all.

I might stick with my original copy... or buy the new one and sell the one I like least.

Huh?

You're talking about this picture?

http://comparescreenshots.slicx.com/...257/picture:2#

Look at the detail in the emperor's robe and armor compared to the
original.

If you think the original version looks better, I recommend you keep
that one.

ArrestedDevelopment · 07-21-2010, 07:28 PM

I'm so glad I didn't buy the original release.

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07-21-2010, 01:48 PM	#3843
DNinja Senior Member Top contributor Member since:Dec 2009 Location:Florida 4K collection:1614 Blu-ray collection:4786 DVD collection:176 Digital collection:20	Wow, what a difference on those new screenshots. The first release looks like a DVD in comparison. I'm definitely exchanging mine. This is a very good move, Paramount.

07-21-2010, 04:25 PM	#3844
monty123 Member Member since:Sep 2009 Blu-ray collection:289 Blu-ray reviews:7	Called this morning and they said to leave name and phone number and they would call back when the program was up and running. I am curious if this is going to be a case of I will send you your's if you send me mine first and the exchange is done by USPS. That takes forever. I WANT MY "GOOD" GLADIATOR NOW.

07-21-2010, 04:41 PM	#3845
HD Goofnut Blu-ray King Top contributor Member since:May 2010 Location:Far, Far Away Home Theater Gallery:114 4K collection:743 Blu-ray collection:2371 DVD collection:128 MA collection:751 Digital collection:1093 Prime collection:598 Blu-ray reviews:133 Trading Score:39	Left my message for an exchange. I still don't feel bad for purchasing the first one last September since I only paid $10 for it.

07-21-2010, 04:44 PM	#3847
Freekman Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2008 Location:New York Home Theater Gallery:7 Blu-ray collection:109 Trading Score:2	I don't regret purchasing the first release, as I had never seen the film before and the extras were abundant. I'm just glad Paramount is finally exchanging this; as much as I'm content with the first release, a better transfer will be much appreciated.

07-21-2010, 04:55 PM	#3848
Red Pill 101 Expert Member Top contributor Member since:Jun 2009 Location:PA Home Theater Gallery:35 Blu-ray collection:702	THIS IS GREAT NEWS! I just left my name/number with Paramount and hope to hear something SOON! I bet they are overwhelmed with messages. I still have my original receipt from Target; I kept it just in case...

07-21-2010, 04:58 PM	#3849
Snowmaker Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Mar 2010 Location:Michigan 4K collection:47 Blu-ray collection:634 DVD collection:228 Trading Score:14	I'll wait until the program is underway. I don't like having to wait for them to call me back, wondering if they ever will.

07-21-2010, 05:19 PM	#3851
Freekman Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2008 Location:New York Home Theater Gallery:7 Blu-ray collection:109 Trading Score:2	I'd much rather exchange it in store. It was real convenient when I did it for SPR and I'd like to keep it simple.

07-21-2010, 05:33 PM	#3855
aramis109 Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Mar 2008 Location:Milwaukee, WI Home Theater Gallery:10 4K collection:4 Blu-ray collection:360 Trading Score:18	K, lemme try and help some people out here that say the original looks better or they can't tell a difference. These are obviously only screenshots, but still folks should be able to pull out these differences. Of course, seeing the film in motion is the big thing, but we can still glean some things from the screenshots: http://comparescreenshots.slicx.com/comparison/68257 1. Due to EE, robes have halos and overly-bright and unnatural looking white folds. Excessive "ringing" around figures. Look at the main Senator's white hair. When swapping to the remastered version, color timing is obviously different (looks more blue but still more natural to me), unnatural white robes now look natural and have more detail, and the Senator's white hair now doesn't look like clumps. More fine detail is to be seen as well. 2. Color timing is obviously different, again with a more blue tint on the remastered shot. Facial detail and leather detail on Commodus' lapels are the big tells in this shot. Grain can now be seen. 3. Color timing, again. Marcus Aurelius' hairline and brow don't look waxy, detail can be seen in wrinkles and hair. Armor detail gets a big boost here. 4. This one should be obvious. EE ringing around the lion standard and flag are really prominent, loss of detail in ringmail armor and figures in the middle of the frame. In the remastered shot, there's a lot more detail in the armor- rings can be seen, facial expressions show up, Maximus' horse's armor has more detail as well. Shot looks more natural and less like everyone has a glowing forcefield around them. 5. Big difference in color timing. I can only remember the DVD and I don't remember it ever being that blue. I was dissatisfied with the colors on the BD, so this is something I see as an improvement. That aside, a lot more facial detail is present, armor detail, and the faint EE ringing around Maximus is gone. Grain is visible but it's far from distracting. 6. These aren't the same frame exactly, which makes comparison a little more difficult. You can tell because of the clothing and a curl of hair on the right of the frame moves slightly. However, there's less pink pig and more portly announcer (color timing seems much improved) and more facial detail is present. There's more and less detail around clothing due to the differing frames. Hope this helps or at least sparks some more contructive debate than "the new is better" or vice versa.

07-21-2010, 07:28 PM	#3860
ArrestedDevelopment Banned Top contributor Member since:Jul 2009 Location:The O.C. 4K collection:491 Blu-ray collection:1624 DVD collection:68	I'm so glad I didn't buy the original release.

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