Gladiator (2000)

[Matt_Stevens]

I do not post screenshots. Don't have a BD dive in my compter.

This thread is funny at this point. The DVNR is noticeable throughout the film. Very noticeable. Especially in close-ups.

Then when you watch the extended version, every extra scene suddenly goes super detailed with no noise reduction. It's really jarring. So obvious.

Those of you screaming "Photoshop" and "MS Paint" are going to feel foolish when they see this for themselves.

Audio is incredible. No complaints.

[AnimeOnBlu]

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=350

Some of you can decide for yourself if interested. I wasn't particularly happy with the BR's quality.

[surfdude12]

Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens

Audio is incredible. No complaints.

Thanks Matt, that's great to hear!!!!!

[bt12483]

Originally Posted by TL OWNS U

Then you have no right to judge the movie until you watch it.

No right? The screenshots came from....THE MOVIE!! This is a discussion forum. I have a "right" to comment on the screenshots, which came from the movie.

The screenshots show invisible objects or objects that have disappeared - they are no longer visible. That is an issue if the screenshots are indeed an accurate representation of the film.

Originally Posted by TL OWNS U

Your making a big deal over nothing.

People aren't going to watch a movie for arrows or fireballs, there going to watch the movie because of the story.

Sure dude. What if you see them load a fireball onto the catapult, light it and release the catapult, and then the fireball vanishes in mid air??

Going to be a little weird when you see an explosion at the other end of the field from a mysterious disappearing fireball.

But yeah, who notices a huge ball of fire flying through the sky during a battle scene?? My bad - what was I thinking??

[TL OWNS U]

Originally Posted by bt12483

No right? The screenshots came from....THE MOVIE!! This is a discussion forum. I have a "right" to comment on the screenshots, which came from the movie.

The screenshots show invisible objects or objects that have disappeared - they are no longer visible. That is an issue if the screenshots are indeed an accurate representation of the film.



Sure dude. What if you see them load a fireball onto the catapault, and fire it, and then the fireball vanished in mid air??

Going to be a little weird when you see an explosion at the other end of the field from a mysterious disappearing fireball.

But yeah, who notices a huge ball of fire flying through the sky during a battle scene?? My bad - what was I thinking??

Honestly, it's people like you that irritate me. I was talking about tiny little things that are little to no importance (the 3 missing arrows) and people like you automatically boycott the release because of this, or go on the internet and complain.

As for the screenshot, you haven't seen the movie for yourself, only screen shots. So until you see the movie, you can't judge Jack Sh*t

[panamablu]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Why do Microsoft release Windows full of bugs? Why does GM make's horrible cars? Why do musician release horrible albums full of boring songs? Why certain books who are so boring get publish? Why? Why indeed?

Nobody is pushing studios to release their catalogs movies? Humm I must have been on a different Internet then? Some studios are careful and take their times in their releases. Maybe not all execs or studio boss see the same need. Also what we do not know is what were the trouble encountered during the cleaning and restoration process? What happen? Did certain things go wrong? Was their enough time? Maybe the studios did not want to push back the release of these even if the transferts were not as perfect as they hope because of the mythic level these movies have with their fans (which I do not share by the way).

Thats exactly why I own a MacBook, donts buy GM cars and only buy music that I already know I like, and buy a book after a review. I have made some blind buys that I regret, but thats the way you learn to be patient.
In this case, Gladiator is one of my favorite movies, and Paramount havent dissapointed me yet, I bought this movie in a heartbeat. Being release as a Sapphire edition, and this being one of the two initial releases, I would have expect a state of the art transfer. I hope they are more carefull in their future releases, this series being their premium editions. (I would expect Titanic, Saving Private Ryan to be included in their Sapphire releases)As I said before, this is WAY better than the transfer of Robin Hood, but not on par with Bravehert.

[ack_bak]

Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens

Audio is incredible. No complaints.

Awesome to hear! So at a minimum we can at least hear the arrows swooshing through the air and hear the explosion of the fireballs, even if we cannot see it

[bt12483]

Originally Posted by TL OWNS U

Honestly, it's people like you that irritate me. I was talking about tiny little things that are little to no importance (the 3 missing arrows) and people like you automatically boycott the release because of this, or go on the internet and complain.

A f***** glowing orange lit fireball vanished!!! It's gone in that scene in the screenshot. Where did it go?

It is not just "tiny little things". Why is the HUGE GLOWING FIREBALL present in the DVD but gone on the bluray.

What if someone's eyeball were to get "erased". Would that be noticeable, or is it "only" an eyeball?

Never once did I mention a boycott. You are putting words into MY mouth, and looking foolish while doing it.

[OARmaster]

Originally Posted by bt12483

That is an issue if the screenshots are indeed an accurate representation of the film.

Screenshots....

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

lol, we've seen this sort of behavior before, no?
Has anyone on that forum actually seen the Blu-ray movie in motion yet?
I mean, I would assume that all the *screenshot scientists* have purchased Stacey Spears’ test pattern Blu-ray disc to maximize the picture quality of their displays to the highest possible degree, right?

So, I would naturally assume that they put a great deal of credence into what Stacey says or else they wouldn’t have forked over their cash to purchase his excellent disc in the first place, right?

So, I shall quote Stacey (from another professional forum) in response to someone saying that “Blu-ray looks identical to the master” during a past discussion they were having –

Stacey:
“Sometimes it can be visually lossless, in real-time, but once you pause, all bets are off.
The trick to compression is you are supposed to watch it playing in real-time.”

I haven’t seen the Blu-ray of Gladiator, but really, in all fairness to my colleagues at Paramount, I think it would be prudent for people to first actually watch the Blu-ray movie before jumping yet again to possibly false conclusions based on *screenshot science*.

And if you don’t want to buy it, then for God sakes just rent it, that’s what places like Netflix are for.

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

4k2k,
If you freeze frame the HD master and freeze frame the Blu-ray movie, it is not difficult to pick out the master when viewed side-by-side, staring at the screenshots from a couple feet away.

When you run them side-by-side in real time and the compression is done well, it can be very difficult to choose which is the master and which is the Blu-ray with certainty, even with MPEG-2 video codec.

Example……..
http://www.avforums.com/forums/blu-r...on-eklund.html

Additionally, Rich Peterson was invited to the Sony Pictures Authoring Center in Culver City back in the days of the format war when he was reporting on the goings on.
This is an excerpt from one of his reports……….

Demo Equipment
The demos were done using two side-by-side 46” 1080P Sony LCDs, one fed by an HD-CAM SR, the other by a standard BD player. I sat no more than 3 feet away from the displays so I could carefully scrutinize the images. Mr Eklund stressed how important it was to turn off all the video processing in the displays to insure a direct mapping from the 1080P source to the display. He also mentioned the displays were carefully adjusted (contrast turned down, brightness turned down, etc) for the best possible picture clarity and he hoped those making quality assessments on AVS also have high-quality well-calibrated displays. He also had a 50” 1080P Pioneer Plasma set up, but I concentrated on the LCDs.


Demo 2
The second demo was the most impressive to me. Mr. Eklund took a fully digitally encoded non-compressed (i.e. full I-frame) digital Master recording of the opening outdoor scene of “Casino Royale” and played it on the first display. Then he put in the AVC-encoded “Casino Royale” BD on the 2nd display and manually synced them up to play together. He challenged me to look for differences created during the encoding.

I studied the two displays carefully from just a couple feet away as they both played. I could see absolutely no difference from the Master to the AVC encoded copy no matter how hard I tried. I kept shifting my view back and forth between the displays looking for some difference and never was able to see anything. This dramatically illustrated to me how perfectly the AVC encoded BD captured the full fidelity of the Master in this scene.

[ack_bak]

Originally Posted by TL OWNS U

Your making a big deal over nothing.

People aren't going to watch a movie for arrows or fireballs, there going to watch the movie because of the story.

If most of the things from the movie were missing, I would be concerned, but its only 3 arrows and 1 fireball >_>

I am really glad you do not work at Disney or Sony.....

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by bt12483

The screenshots show invisible objects or objects that have disappeared - :

That is impossible.

[42041]

Originally Posted by TL OWNS U

Your making a big deal over nothing.

People aren't going to watch a movie for arrows or fireballs, there going to watch the movie because of the story.

If most of the things from the movie were missing, I would be concerned, but its only 3 arrows and 1 fireball >_>

You're right, when the whole image looks like some hideous SD upscale, we've got bigger problems than missing arrows

[ack_bak]

Originally Posted by OARmaster

Screenshots....

Compression has nothing to do with parts of the movie missing (as long as you know it was there to begin with).

And for the record, are you honestly telling me that you cannot notice any DNR on Patton unless it is paused? What about Star Trek The Search For Spock?

[bt12483]

Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

That is impossible.

Cut me a break you know what I meant. Think Predator.....

[OARmaster]

Originally Posted by ack_bak

Compression has nothing to do with parts of the movie missing (as long as you know it was there to begin with).

And for the record, are you honestly telling me that you cannot notice any DNR on Patton unless it is paused? What about Star Trek The Search For Spock?

...what? I posted those in response to a inaccurate statement that screenshots are an accurate representation of the film. An accurate representation of a film can only be seen in motion. I said nothing about missing objects.

The only people passing judgment on BD's should be those who have actually seen them in motion and do not have a agenda. This is disqualifies the screenshot scientists and their mods at AVS.

[Bullseye]

Are the same people complaining about missing arrows LOL LOL also complaining about the helmets the guys wore during the reinactment of the Battle of Carthage? It's obvious the points on the helmets were rubber and not metal.

Anyone commenting on the quality of this movie without having actually watched it on BD are talking nonsense. If you depend on reviews before purchasing your BDs why not wait until there are some legitimate reviews up?

[TL OWNS U]

Originally Posted by ack_bak

I am really glad you do not work at Disney or Sony.....

I'd rather take 3 shotgun shots to the face nthen even say the word Dis...ney

[TL OWNS U]

Originally Posted by 42041

You're right, when the whole image looks like some hideous SD upscale, we've got bigger problems than missing arrows

I honestly cant tell if your serious or being sarcastic

[Jeff Kleist]

How active is that filter? Does it just smear the surrounding background in an attempt to remove the scratch?

It uses data from surrounding frames to extrapolate what, at least in this case it thinks is the missing information. It's a patch instead of a smear

[42041]

Originally Posted by TL OWNS U

I honestly cant tell if your serious or being sarcastic

Dead serious. This looks like it was shot on an $800 HDV cam, not 35mm film

but excuse me, i need to go back to AVS and push my evil screenshot scientist 'agenda', muahaha