Gladiator (2000)

[bandit29]

Boys, boys, we can settle this like reasonable and sexy teenagers...

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by bandit29

Boys, boys, we can settle this like reasonable and sexy teenagers...

coming from the lady cupping her boob

[Buddy Christ]

I just popped in the DVD and it is not a terrible transfer. If you have it, check it out. But the big difference iI think we will see in the AQ

[ack_bak]

Originally Posted by jaydm

Well its my first post but ive been lurking here for months now. I actually watched Gladiator last night on BD. I was reading the forums before watching the movie so i was expecting poor transfer. I thought the PQ was great. Mind you i have a 40" Samsung LCD 720p 1080i TV. So i dont have the best TV available. And if someone owns the same tv you should know how the sound is on them . But other than that i was expecting many 'grainy' scenes but i dont remember a scene that was grainy at all.

Even though i didnt get to it yet, the only bad thing i can say is that the Special Features is in Standard Definition which sucks.

Other than that, if you own the DVD i say its a good upgrade. But ofcourse look at more reliable reviews when they come out. If you dont own the movie then i say go out and get it. Definitely worth it.

Now for Braveheart...gonna be watching it tonight

Thanks for taking the time to post. Per the bolded part, this movie "Gladiator" has had Digital Noise Reduction (DNR) applied which actually removes grain and often gives movies a less grainy and sharper look (but at the expense of often removing fine detail). So I am not surprised if you did not detect a lot of grainy scenes And you may be sitting to far back to really notice the DNR anyway.

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by Blu2U

I just popped in the DVD and it is not a terrible transfer. If you have it, check it out. But the big difference iI think we will see in the AQ

yes let's hope, but from the DVDBeaver review it's only 5.1, whereas there was a DTS-ES (6.1 discrete) mix release on DVD.

[jaydm]

Originally Posted by ack_bak

Thanks for taking the time to post. Per the bolded part, this movie "Gladiator" has had Digital Noise Reduction (DNR) applied which actually removes grain and often gives movies a less grainy and sharper look (but at the expense of often removing fine detail). So I am not surprised if you did not detect a lot of grainy scenes And you may be sitting to far back to really notice the DNR anyway.

Ah i see, so this is what the argument is all about. Well ill leave the official review to the more reliable high-def gurus

[Scarfather]

Originally Posted by Mokus76

Well to be totally honest with you, I rarely believe what others say, but when so many are saying the same things I get a little scared. You have to understand something that might be hard for you, is that I am very picky with my DVD's and I am even more with Bluray's. I mean I look for the best picture and audio quality, no matter how old the movie.
For instance Casablanca on Bluray is amazing and I know its not the same genre of a movie like Gladiator, but how come that movie is perfect, never looked this good and we are talking about an old movie for christ sake!
Gladiator was not a huge success but it sure made its budget back and then some, but its a classic like Braveheart and Forrest Gump etc. it needs to be reference quality no matter what. I dont like to buy the movie again for just a little improvement, whats the point? Paramounts making more money just because they called it the Sapphire Series. What does it really mean?
Look at what Disney can do with their movies, and even include a 7.1 DTS HD MASTER AUDIO track on Snow White and same goes for almost all of their animation.
Come on give me a break and I was never completely satisfied with Gladiator and Braveheart on DVD.
If you cannot make it perfect then why even try, give the rights to Sony, Lionsgate or Newline Cinema and they will do a better job then Paramount.
If Gladiator is the way people say, no matter what they do I will NOT buy anything they make.
Quality Quality Quality is what we all want, but then again some dont care at all.

The difference is that the remastering of those films and the transfers were done with the intention of releasing in BD.

Gladiator doesn't have a fresh transfer, they recycled the one used for the DVD and simply cleaned it up. The film is less than 10 years old so the probably didn't think the investment on a new master for an HD transfer was necessary.

[Dubstar]

I find it unfortunate and maddening that studios feel the urge to DNR a movie when a movie that shot on film to look like film is rendered to have that video look - Scott didn't shoot this on video, so why should it look like that as well ...

[J.Cornelius]

Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens

Hey genius, in case you hadn't noticed, I don't need to analyze screen shots. I can watch the actual move. The actual BD. I have ground to stand on in what I say. You don't.

I am curious at to what size screen you have viewed the film? If there in excess manipulation performed on the transfer perhaps this is more pronounced on larger screens, say plus 60 inches, than smaller screens.

[ack_bak]

Originally Posted by Dubstar

I find it unfortunate and maddening that studios feel the urge to DNR a movie when a movie that shot on film to look like film is rendered to have that video look - Scott didn't shoot this on video, so why should it look like that as well ...

It would be one thing if the DNR had been applied earlier in the production cycle and was just present on the master used for the encode. I would guess there is not much an encoder could do at that point. But judging by the HDTV broadcast (which appears to not be DNR'd) that is not the case for the Blu-Ray. It does appear that DNR was applied at some point during the encoding process. I just don't understand why people think this is a good thing for Blu-Ray? And why is it so inconsistent, even across the same studios (which in this case appears to be Universal who did the prep work for this)?

[Buddy Christ]

Originally Posted by Dubstar

yes let's hope, but from the DVDBeaver review it's only 5.1, whereas there was a DTS-ES (6.1 discrete) mix release on DVD.

That was the version I watched. The extra channel is great! I even asked DTS (doubt they will respond and not even sure if it is their choice) why the 6.1 mix was not used. Maybe like other titles I have heard about, that they might just say 5.1 and matrix the rears.

[Penton-Man]

It took me a little while to find this thread but, I still see you fellas are still engaged in a a vigorous debate.
I’ve got a few minutes so I’ll scan a few past pages and join in the fun before I leave for work.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Petri Teittinen

It's been almost two years since the last time I visited this forum. It's sad to see blind hatred and something bordering on insanity still running rampant over here.

We've been recently infested.

[Sussudio]

Penton's here!! This should be fun

[EatingPie]

Originally Posted by thecardman23

this reminds me soo much of what happened with the star trek transfers. EVERYONE was complaining and crucifying paramount for blus that havnt even come out yet based on "speculation" i'd prefer not the judge an entire movie based on ONE screen-cap. yes i bought the star trek movies and i enjoyed them, thought they were worth my money. i'm willing to bet gladiator isnt as bad as everyones making it out to be. perhaps it wont get the treatment it deserves (which i agree is a crime) for such a huge title... but still, lets just wait till some solid info comes out b4 everyone starts to already condemn a transfer they havnt even watched yet.

EVERYONE was complaining? You left out the part where they were right!

Or that should be...

A previous poster said most people will think DNR looks better because it lacks grain. This was exactly my feeling with the Star Trek movies... The DNR made faces look waxy, and fine detail either disappeared or blended together in a strange way. But they were clear as day in terms of lacking grain, and that waxiness may have just been a trick of the lighting, or an off adjustment on my HDTV... had I not already known about DNR. And since the majority of BD buyers probably don't, I'm sure they thought something like the Star Trek BDs were super improved, extra clear, they wore too much makeup, editions.

So I do not anticipate the Star Trek BDs being redone. Similarly, I doubt Gladiator will get a new transfer (assuming it is as bad as the Star Trek movies).

-Pie

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens

OARmaster continues to ammuse me. Might as well name him SPINmaster as he continues to personally attack and insult people and just lie and lie and lie, especially in regards to sceenshots and HD-DVD.

Good grief. Not only have I viewed this release,but others have and we ae informing you that unlike BRAVEHEART, GLADIATOR has been badly compromised due to excessive DVNR.

Well Matt, you amuse me because it is obvious that you are clueless to the difference between DNR and DVNR……..which is rudimentary for anyone that works in a telecine suite.

OARmaster rocks!

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by jaydm

Well its my first post but ive been lurking here for months now. I actually watched Gladiator last night on BD. I was reading the forums before watching the movie so i was expecting poor transfer. I thought the PQ was great.

Welcome to the forum, esp. as I don't recall any past red ant affiliation with that handle.
However, I’m hoping for low review scores here, as I’ve now got some personal interest in this matter……………

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...20#post2252420

B.T.W.
Esox – POTC (first film, which is all I’ve viewed) from your favorite studio was dnr-ed as a lot of shadow detail that was filtered out by the PHL encoder that the compressionist used.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by richieb1971

if Ridley Scott authorized this print its because he's going to cash in on some other version later down the road.

That's not a nice thing to say.
Ridley Rocks

I highly doubt that Ridely authorized or much less had the opportunity to even view the HD master nor the Blu-ray as he was/is so busy with this……………….
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0955308/

Sometimes content providers have to hit target dates though when Directors are busy working. If he authorized “the print”, I feel certain it is the best film source that the content provider has available in its vault.

[SquidPuppet]

My Best Buy had 12 copies each, of Gladiator and Braveheart sitting on the shelf yesterday. A whole week early.

$29.99.

[Petri Teittinen]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

We've been recently infested.

Oh? Checking out a few threads at random gives the impression that the end of the format war and ceasing of hostilities, Ad Hominem attacks and general frothing-in-the-mouth following the demise of HD DVD is something which took place everywhere else but here. I guess one had to have been away for a couple of years to see that.