The Hobbit Trilogy Discussion Thread

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

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EXCLUSIVE: Hobbit Trailer Details Revealed




December 15th, 2011 by newsfrombree




Thanks to Ringer Duff Man for sending in this exclusive summary of what we can expect to see in the upcoming ‘Hobbit’ trailer:



Starts with Bilbo (Ian Holm!!) talking to Frodo (Elijah Wood) at Bag End about his “adventures” and how he didn’t tell him everything.

Shows Gandalf making his proposition to young Bilbo and introducing all 13 dwarves by name as it cuts to each.

Bilbo protests of course, because Bagginses belong at Bag End.

The “big” scene is the dwarves, led by Thorin, singing a long slow song. I didn’t catch all the words, but I have to assume it’s from the book. Very ominous tone.

Lots of images in a montage, of travelling and fighting. I think I saw some goblins, and maybe some troll legs, but it went by quickly. Some creepy ruins–looked almost like Moria, but without the majesty. I wasn’t sure if it was underground in the goblin stronghold or something else. Dol Guldur?

There is definitely Rivendell and the shards of Narsil and maybe Elrond, but again, I can’t be sure.

No Smaug at all. No hints at plot, really. No Beorn that I could see. Not even any spiders, although I think I saw some creepy woods. One of my favorite scenes was the dwarves cleaning Bilbo’s dishes after dinner. Expect some acrobatic dishes

Thorin is depicted as a bit callous–he tells Gandalf he can’t guarantee his safe return. Gandalf agrees, and Thorin adds “Nor will I be responsible for his fate.”

It ends with Gandalf saying to Bilbo that if he returns, he may be changed–this is in voiceover while we see THE RING, and Gollum climbing behind Bilbo in the cave.

Can’t wait to see it again!



We agree with you there Duff Man! We can hardly contain the excitement of seeing this realized on screen…let the countdown to Tintin continue…


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Bilbo called them goblins, but they are really orcs.

[TheWildWhelk]

Originally Posted by Dubstar

Bilbo called them goblins, but they are really orcs.

I'm not sure what 'discrepancies' Tolkien ironed out in order to make The Hobbit fit better with The Lord Of The Rings after it's initial publication, but having multiple racial variations on the concept of 'Orc' isn't a bad thing. I'm pretty sure that the word Goblin was only ever used throughout The Hobbit book with no mention of the word Orc.

The Hobbit is a fantastic children's adventure that takes place in Middle Earth, i'm willing to accept concepts like talking Warg's, Spiders and Eagles and Trolls, as it is all within the tone of the book. If Jackson ditches any of those elements then he's trying too hard to RetCon The Hobbit into his LotR films. Don't!

[Goldengirl]

Originally Posted by radagast

Thanks for all the info, Duffy. I wonder if there will be any theatres here in Indy that will have both 48fps and 3D? I hope so.

I also hope the trailer will be with Holmes as I am planning on seeing it tomorrow evening.

I imagine the IMAX Kerasotes 16 (or whatever they are calling it since Landmark and AMC took over) does. That's where I'll be watching it someday at any rate.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Goldengirl

I imagine the IMAX Kerasotes 16 (or whatever they are calling it since Landmark and AMC took over) does. That's where I'll be watching it someday at any rate.

Thanks. When it comes out I will check with the local IMAX theatres.

[Josh]

Interesting. I guess they are just using this opportunity to introduce the characters to the audience - reminding them of the characters from LOTR, and introducing them to the new characters. Can't wait to see it!

[threefiftyrocket]

Originally Posted by Josh

Interesting. I guess they are just using this opportunity to introduce the characters to the audience - reminding them of the characters from LOTR, and introducing them to the new characters. Can't wait to see it!

+1

I've been waiting for this since I saw a fanmade trailer back in college made from scenes of LotR and Dragonslayer... and I think there may have been some Reign of Fire in there too...

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by SonOfTorah

I'm not sure what 'discrepancies' Tolkien ironed out in order to make The Hobbit fit better with The Lord Of The Rings after it's initial publication, but having multiple racial variations on the concept of 'Orc' isn't a bad thing. I'm pretty sure that the word Goblin was only ever used throughout The Hobbit book with no mention of the word Orc.

The Hobbit is a fantastic children's adventure that takes place in Middle Earth, i'm willing to accept concepts like talking Warg's, Spiders and Eagles and Trolls, as it is all within the tone of the book. If Jackson ditches any of those elements then he's trying too hard to RetCon The Hobbit into his LotR films. Don't!

but we've already seen the Trolls - in the extended cut of 'Fellowship of the Rings'

Originally Posted by SonOfTorah

I'm not sure what 'discrepancies' Tolkien ironed out in order to make The Hobbit fit better with The Lord Of The Rings after it's initial publication, but having multiple racial variations on the concept of 'Orc' isn't a bad thing. I'm pretty sure that the word Goblin was only ever used throughout The Hobbit book with no mention of the word Orc.

The Hobbit is a fantastic children's adventure that takes place in Middle Earth, i'm willing to accept concepts like talking Warg's, Spiders and Eagles and Trolls, as it is all within the tone of the book. If Jackson ditches any of those elements then he's trying too hard to RetCon The Hobbit into his LotR films. Don't!

correct - I'm sure the whole Lord of the Rings universe evolved in stages, it's in one of the Trilogy books where Frodo mentions to another character when referreing to orcs: 'old Bilbo used to call them goblins"

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by Dubstar

Bilbo called them goblins, but they are really orcs.

Originally Posted by SonOfTorah

I'm not sure what 'discrepancies' Tolkien ironed out in order to make The Hobbit fit better with The Lord Of The Rings after it's initial publication, but having multiple racial variations on the concept of 'Orc' isn't a bad thing. I'm pretty sure that the word Goblin was only ever used throughout The Hobbit book with no mention of the word Orc.

Originally Posted by Dubstar

it's in one of the Trilogy books where Frodo mentions to another character when referreing to orcs: 'old Bilbo used to call them goblins"

It's the same thing as Hobbits/Halflings.


Hobbits refer to themselvse as Hobbits, while all the other races in Middle-Earth refer to them as Halflings.


Now for me, I regard goblins as the smaller version of orcs that have trouble functioning outdoors in broad daylight while the much bigger ones that had no such disability were the mighty Uruk-hai, but they BOTH happen to fall under the catagory of Orcs.

Also, if you notice in Jackosn's LotRs these two different orc races are pretty apparent throughout all three films

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[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

It's the same thing as Hobbits/Halflings.


Hobbits refer to themselvse as Hobbits, while all the other races in Middle-Earth refer to them as Halflings.


Now for me, I regard goblins as the smaller version of orcs that have trouble functioning outdoors in broad daylight while the much bigger ones that had no such disability were the mighty Uruk-hai, but they BOTH happen to fall under the catagory of Orcs.

Also, if you notice in Jackosn's LotRs these two different orc races are pretty apparent throughout all three films

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yet I somehow don't understand the theory that orcs used to be somehow related to elves?

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Dubstar

yet I somehow don't understand the theory that orcs used to be somehow related to elves?

I think orcs are an off-shoot of elves that were created through torture and dark magic.

[Cook]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

I think orcs are an off-shoot of elves that were created through torture and dark magic.

You are correct. Morgoth, I believe it was him, locked some elves in his dungeons and tortured them for many many years until they were warped by the dark magic. Their offspring became the orcs.

[Duffy12]

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New image of Bilbo Baggins from Empire mag that would make a nice avatar-

[Show spoiler]

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[Duffy12]

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From USA Today: ‘Hobbit’ trailer to premiere Dec. 20



December 16th, 2011 by xoanon

The trailer for director Peter Jackson’s upcoming film based on J.R.R. Tolkien’s classic fantasy novels will make its worldwide premiere on Tuesday, the studio announced today.

A 15-minute satellite feed of the trailer for The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey will stream at 10 p.m. ET/PT on the night of Dec. 20 and again the following day at 9 a.m. ET/PT.


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[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by Dubstar

yet I somehow don't understand the theory that orcs used to be somehow related to elves?

In the Middle-earth saga, in the First Age, the Elves "awoke" on the shores of Lake Cuivienen (the word 'Cuivienen' means 'awakening-water'). Morgoth (Tolkien's equivalent of Satan), abducted many of them and took them to his fortress of Utumno where they were "corrupted" into the first orcs. The fact that Morgoth did this in mockery of the creation of Elves by Eru ("God") makes this the ultimate act of malice; similarly, trolls were made in mockery of the Ents. This is also an example of a moral point introduced by Tolkien: only God can create; other beings can only modify, or "sub-create".

Tolkien (from a letter to Peter Hastings):

"Treebeard [in Lord of the Rings] does not say that the Dark Lord 'created' Trolls and Orcs. He says he 'made' them in counterfeit of certain creatures pre-existing. There is, to me, a wide gulf between the two statements, so wide that Treebeard's statement could (in my world) have possibly been true. It is not true actually of the Orcs - who are fundamentally a race of 'rational incarnate' creatures, though horribly corrupted, if no more than many of Men to be met today... 'the Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make real new things of its own. I don't think it gave life to the Orcs, it only ruined them and twisted them.

So in this myth, it is 'feigned' (legitimately whether that is a feature of the real world or not) that [Eru] gave special 'sub-creative' powers to certain of his His highest created beings: that is a guarantee that what they devise and made should be given the reality of Creation. Of course, within limits, and of course, subject to certain commands or prohibitions. But if they 'fell', as the Diabolus Morgoth did, and started making [beings] for himself, to be their Lord, these would then 'be', even if Morgoth broke the supreme ban against making other 'rational' creatures like Elves or Men."

Also, "orc" and "goblin" are equivalent statements in The Hobbit. The word "goblin" was abandoned later in his writings in favor of 'orc'. Thus, "Azog the Goblin" referred to in the story is an orc.
According to Tolkien 'orc' was more "phonetically suitable" because it is derived from Old English orc 'demon'.

[Josh]

Gnome was another term that appeared in the first two editions of The Hobbit, but was later replaced by "High Elf" to avoid confusion with a garden gnome.

[Lnds500]

I've been thinking about the same thing for some time now. it's a technical question about The Hobbit and every movie shot in 4K.

Blu-ray: 1080p

4K resolution (I'm not sure about this, but i think the line in bold is what The Hobbit is being shot at):

Full Aperture 4K -4096 × 3112 1.32:1 12,746,752
Academy 4K -3656 × 2664 1.37:1 9,739,584
Digital cinema 4K -4096 × 1714 2.39:1 7,020,544
Digital cinema 4K -3996 × 2160 1.85:1 8,631,360

now, if 4K is the next medium in home media after 1080p, how will these movies be remastered and put into media after 4K dies?

[Mahatma]

Originally Posted by Lnds500

I've been thinking about the same thing for some time now. it's a technical question about The Hobbit and every movie shot in 4K.

Blu-ray: 1080p

4K resolution (I'm not sure about this, but i think the line in bold is what The Hobbit is being shot at):


now, if 4K is the next medium in home media after 1080p, how will these movies be remastered and put into media after 4K dies?

I always thought that 4K movies reflected vertical lines...If we are to get 100"+ screens at home the resolution needs to be quadrupled from FullHD-3960x2160.Otherwise it'll end up as pixelated hell.

[Lnds500]

Originally Posted by Mahatma

I always thought that 4K movies reflected vertical lines...If we are to get 100"+ screens at home the resolution needs to be quadrupled from FullHD-3960x2160.Otherwise it'll end up as pixelated hell.

from wiki

The name comes from its approximately 4,000 pixels of horizontal resolution. The fact that it describes the horizontal resolution is contrary to the standard resolutions 720p and 1080p, which represent the number of vertical pixels. 4K represents the horizontal resolution because there are numerous aspect ratios used in film — so while the horizontal resolution stays constant, the vertical resolution depends on the video source (a.k.a. letterboxing). There are several different resolutions that qualify as 4K.

so anyone????

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Per PJ's fourth video blog, 'The Hobbit' is actually being shot at 5K.

[Lnds500]

Originally Posted by Aragorn84

Per PJ's fourth video blog, 'The Hobbit' is actually being shot at 5K.

Thanks for the correction.

I found this.

The Hobbit is being shot in 5K resolution - 5120x2700 pixels - and 48 frames per second.

So the same question still stands; after 5120x2700, what will they do if the home media format of the time requires a higher resolution than that??