The Hobbit Trilogy Discussion Thread

[TheWildWhelk]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

Other than the fact that Jackson is helming this thing and (thankfully) has a ton of money to work with, it almost seems like this production is cursed.

Agreed. I don't think that there has been a single potential problem that could go wrong that hasn't beset this film from Day 1. One of the problems is that the actual Tolkien estate doesn't want to see this film made. That simple. Ontop of that, complications arose and then some with the blasted MGM problem. I'm sure that Warner are throwing cash at it bigtime, we can only hope that financially it works out for them. I still can't work out why it is taking them so damn long to shoot what is tantamount to a 5 hour film.

[Cook]

Originally Posted by SonOfTorah

Agreed. I don't think that there has been a single potential problem that could go wrong that hasn't beset this film from Day 1. One of the problems is that the actual Tolkien estate doesn't want to see this film made. That simple. Ontop of that, complications arose and then some with the blasted MGM problem. I'm sure that Warner are throwing cash at it bigtime, we can only hope that financially it works out for them. I still can't work out why it is taking them so damn long to shoot what is tantamount to a 5 hour film.

They are shooting with a new camera system (RED), at 48 fps, and in 3D. Two of those are new frontiers in a major film. Add 3D to that and you have a challenge. Also, alot of the camera tricks they used to make the hobbits and dwarves appear smaller in the LOTR do not work as well in 3D so they are having to use new techniques and they are learning as they go. All this adds up to a longer shoot. Nothing wrong with a long production. Its a lost art that used to be common in film, and personally I think a long production is a godsend for a film of this magnitude.

[Wally Q]

Originally Posted by Cook

They are shooting with a new camera system (RED), at 48 fps, and in 3D. Two of those are new frontiers in a major film. Add 3D to that and you have a challenge. Also, alot of the camera tricks they used to make the hobbits and dwarves appear smaller in the LOTR do not work as well in 3D so they are having to use new techniques and they are learning as they go. All this adds up to a longer shoot. Nothing wrong with a long production. Its a lost art that used to be common in film, and personally I think a long production is a godsend for a film of this magnitude.

Probably the main reason why the production is taking as long as it is is because Martin Freeman's schedule had to be accomodated for his commitment to Sherlock and that was the reason for the break they had over the summer (winter).

[Cook]

Originally Posted by Wally Q

Probably the main reason why the production is taking as long as it is is because Martin Freeman's schedule had to be accomodated for his commitment to Sherlock and that was the reason for the break they had over the summer (winter).

I believe they took a break while filming the LOTR trilogy.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Wally Q

Probably the main reason why the production is taking as long as it is is because Martin Freeman's schedule had to be accomodated for his commitment to Sherlock and that was the reason for the break they had over the summer (winter).

Originally Posted by Cook

I believe they took a break while filming the LOTR trilogy.

For what?

[P@t_Mtl]

Peter Jackson seem to enjoy long shoot, King Kong took a long while to work with breaks given to actors as well. I suppose it's just his style of working.

[Josh]

They are shooting two films - a long shoot is to be expected. LOTR had a similar troubled start, and grew exponentially from the original idea. The Hobbit will likely grow in scale as well, though not nearly as much since Jackson has experience in creating/directing a film with such a large scale.

[radagast]

Did I read somewhere that Tin Tin is going to be accompanied by a trailer for The Hobbit?

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by radagast

Did I read somewhere that Tin Tin is going to feature a trailer for The Hobbit?

It did not when I saw it on Saturday, was just kid and family movie trailer. Might be different once it goes live for the rest of North America however

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by radagast

Did I read somewhere that Tin Tin is going to be accompanied by a trailer for The Hobbit?

UPDATE: Nordling, AICN staff, writes:

Yes, we saw THE HOBBIT: AN UNEXPECTED JOURNEY trailer thanks to Gandalf The Grey magically transporting Quint from the beautiful landscapes of Middle-Earth to the Alamo Drafthouse in Austin, Texas. No, I can’t talk about any specifics except to say that something I always treasured from the original book is in the trailer in a big way and I was very happy to hear it. The trailer will play in front of THE ADVENTURES OF TINTIN and it’s simply sublime. It’s more character-based than epic, but it’s like slipping into a warm embrace from a very old friend that you haven’t seen in many years. Truly wonderful.

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[Wally Q]

Originally Posted by Cook

I believe they took a break while filming the LOTR trilogy.

I don't remember a break in the middle of that production. But it has been acknowledged that the break was because of MF's commitment to Sherlock.

[Grand Bob]

Now that the first movie is tentatively scheduled to be released in a year, I imagine we'll be seeing more products such as the Arkenstone in this link:

http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2011...adali-jewelry/

Although this looks to be a commendable recreation, the problem with this and previous Middle-earth movie collectibles is the missing "magical" element. In this case, the arkenstone lacks an illuminating inner glow, similar to a collectible phial of Galadriel that was marketed after Return of the King was released. As we get closer to next December, I look forward to seeing such items as Green Dragon beer mugs and detailed models of Smaug.

[Duffy12]

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The Hobbit Teaser is coming, soon



What we know: Peter Jackson began rolling film on The Hobbit back in April, 2011 and will be adapting this story as a Duology, two films instead of just the one like the book. They’ve had periods of shooting in the studio, a hiatus on filming while post production was being done, and now they are in the midst of Location shooting, with another hiatus and more studio shooting scheduled through June of 2012. The existence of the first Teaser was mentioned by both Andy Serkis and Elijah Wood several weeks ago, and it had its world debut at BNAT13 this past weekend. The mass release of the Teaser has not yet happened, and that is where we pick up our story.


What we think: It is strongly believed that The Hobbit Teaser will appear in the US in front of The Adventures of Tintin: The Secret of the Unicorn (awesome title, btw), opening on December 21. Since this film is out in many European and Asian countries already, it has been hypothesized that the Teaser will appear in front of Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows when it opens in those countries. This has not been confirmed, but logically it makes sense because Sherlock is a Warner Bros film, as is The Hobbit. Chances are, after the first few days, The Hobbit Teaser will begin to be dropped in front of a lot of different films, and it will spread like wildfire on the internet. No one need worry that they won’t be able to see it within the first 48-72 hours. I wonder if demand will crash any entertainment websites.

That being said, I plan to see it first in a theater. Why? Indication from reports at BNAT say that this Teaser may well be in 48 fps and 3D, which is probably one reason it will be playing in front of Tintin. Of course, this is dependent on whether or not theaters screening it are even capable of screening at 48 fps yet. If not, then it will still be in 3D in many cases, at the slower rate. Either way, this would be my preferred way of seeing it the first time before I move to my computer to seek it out (and analyze the heck out of it). How do you plan to see it the first time?



Conjecture of what we might see in The Hobbit Teaser: Now this is where things get tricky. The audience at BNAT13 was asked, and for the most part has complied, with keeping the content of The Hobbit Teaser a secret. The vaguest hints imply a beloved sequence from the book being included and it was something you could ‘hear’. Could this be a dialogue line, such as “In a Hole in the Ground there lived a Hobbit”? Or could this be a song, such as “Far over the Misty Mountains Cold”? Another hint mentioned a band of Dwarves singing and it was a thing of beauty. So, my money is on the song, which would be an epic way of opening the Teaser and introducing many of the key players. Other hints indicated this Teaser focused more on ‘character’ and less on the ‘epic’ nature of the story, and that it was like seeing long lost friends.

Since we know they’ve filmed at the Hobbiton location, it is almost guaranteed that we are going to see the Shire and Bag End and meet Gandalf and Bilbo there, and it will feel very much like going home again for all of us. If the Dwarves’ song is in, I’m almost positive that is the way in which they will be introduced on screen, but I can’t help wondering if we get the briefest of flashes of action from this sequence as well. Action flashbacks, to the history of the Lonely Mountain and Smaug’s attack, or action flash forwards with quick scenes of Gollum and Riddles in the Dark, or Beorn or Trolls or any of a dozen other adventures. Of course, I don’t believe we are going to get a look at Smaug this far out, except maybe for an extreme distance shot of him attacking the Lonely Mountain from the perspective of a few Dwarves who’ve escaped the mountain. But I think Smaug will be held in reserve until the first Teaser for the second film comes out next winter.

The other big debate right now is whether or not the Teaser will show sequences from both films or just The Unexpected Journey portion. I agree they will show some epic sequences and give both titles and dates of release, but I think they are still toying with the idea of keeping the breakpoint a secret. No one has yet come out and said “part one will end here”, but if they only show sequences from the first film, it will be much easier to intuit where that break will be. With that in mind, I believe we will see snippets from both films, so that the mystery of where that split occurs may be kept. It’s all just smoke and mirrors in the end, and I predict that there will be cheers and gasps in the audience the first few days that the Hobbit Teaser is available.

Resource: Teasers and Trailers must be rated just as the films they play in front of must be rated. When that happens, they appear on the following website, which implies their impending release into theaters.

http://www.albertafilmratings.ca/rec...strailers.aspx


One note on this, the Version of the Teaser that played at BNAT was not yet rated, and therefore may be slightly different than what is released if they need to tweak it in order to receive a certain rating. We won’t know until it comes out, and then those who were at BNAT begin to twitter about possible differences. If there is silence from them, then we got the same version, and if there have been changes, I’m sure we’ll hear about that as well.

Once the Teaser is out there, in theaters and online, please come back to TheOneRing.net for analysis and discussion with your fellow fans. I’m sure within the first 24 hours we will have collectively analyzed every last frame of the Teaser and squeed volumes, so come join the fun.



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[Duffy12]

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Rain puts early end to Hobbit


ANNA PEARSON Last updated 13:00 14/12/2011SharePrint Text Size Relevant offersThe Hobbit film crew are pulling out of the Nelson region due to lousy weather, but it is highly likely they will return next year.

Production company 3 Foot 7 publicist Ceris Price said it was too wet for filming, so they were leaving.

"We were relying on beautiful weather. It's just a real shame, because everybody loves Nelson. We have been having a lovely time here, but the weather in the last couple of days has made it very difficult. It's time for a Christmas break," she said.

Ms Price said it was "extremely probable" they would return to film at Canaan Downs next year.

The film crew packed up and left the Pelorus Bridge campground in a hurry last night. Campground manager Stephanie Neal said a team of workers were removing a scaffolding structure – a walking platform – from near the Pelorus River this morning.

"They were supposed to be here until Saturday, but they have pulled the plug because it's so wet. They certainly wouldn't be able to film in this weather," she said.

"It's raining, the rivers are up and it's dirty brown. We could be in for another big flood."

Campers were evacuated from the campground's 35-site back camp on December 28 last year as heavy rain deluged the site. "It's looking like it's starting all over again," she said.

Ms Neal said The Hobbit film crew lost 20 wooden planks down the river when it rained last week.

At the Milton Chalet Motel in Nelson, 14 crew members were checking out today.


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[Duffy12]

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More Tantalizing Details for The Hobbit Trailer

December 14th, 2011 by xoanon

Max Jaybo writes: The Hobbit trailer has been rated for General Audiences by the Ontario Film Review Board as of the 14th. Here is the listing details:

HOBBIT (THE)
Date Classified: Dec 14, 2011
Film Number: 2000098669
Distributor / Submitter / Exhibitor: WARNER BROS. ENTERTAINMENT CANADA INC.
Running Time (min): 2
Format: INTERNET
Language: ENGLISH
Classification: GENERAL
Content Advisories:

Detailed Observations:
– Suspenseful situations with short scenes or glimpses of scary characters or images usually in comedic, fantasy or historic setting
- Sensitive to scenes and situations related to child’s security
- Tobacco use
- Restrained portrayals of limited violence


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[radagast]

Thanks for all the info, Duffy. I wonder if there will be any theatres here in Indy that will have both 48fps and 3D? I hope so.

I also hope the trailer will be with Holmes as I am planning on seeing it tomorrow evening.

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by radagast

Thanks for all the info, Duffy. I wonder if there will be any theatres here in Indy that will have both 48fps and 3D? I hope so.

I also hope the trailer will be with Holmes as I am planning on seeing it tomorrow evening.

I say good luck to ANYONE finding a theater that can playback 48fps - period!

[Mahatma]

The teaser is probably gonna be the usual 10 million scenechanges a second as is usual these days (decade)

Looking more forward to the first trailer.Those are usually better IMO.

[Duffy12]

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Update – At the request of the Peter Jackson and the production, we’ve been asked to remove the trailer description. Look for the trailer in theaters and online soon!


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[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

EXCLUSIVE: Hobbit Trailer Details Revealed

Well, that sounds encouraging. I'm glad to hear that Ian Holm is involved.