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PaulGo · 11-26-2007, 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

* (paging Dr. House)

;;

You really crack me up. You humor help put the HD-DVD stupidity in its proper perspective.

Esox50 · 11-26-2007, 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

P.S.
Not only were spokespersons for all the majors (as described above) present but
Kim Aubrey (from ZAP)
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0041447/

also was in attendance.

BTW, did you...and paidgeek...and Kim Aubrey...and Robert Harris all know that Mr. Mack is STILL "at it" with regards to the Dracula BD release?

I mean, seriously, W...T...F!!! It's really beyond anything rational and reasonable at this point when so many people in the know, in the business, and with technical knowledge have spoken on this subject at length.

The ONLY thing I can think of is that Mr. Mack must have some special memory (like he lost his virginity or something) while he saw this movie, and this BD version is somehow tainting that memory.

I don't get it.

Hey, at least you guys tried...

Neo65 · 11-26-2007, 01:49 AM

An off-topic comment, but it is likely Zune's execution (and especially the product planning part) has affected many people's careers, it's not just the HDM side.

I was skeptical of the ipod, being a long time pocketPC user (along with a ipaq hw6515 phone user for years), but when I had a chance to play with the iphone, I realized how poorly designed the GUI in WinCE and pocketPC was, and gave my old hw6515 to my oldest --- that thing had over $1000 worth of applications installed, including tomtom gps.

It's telling that MSFT, in trying to make WinCE a success have had to build their own hardware, first dreamcast, then xbox, then 360, then Zune. In all cases with massive spendings fueled by the windows and office products.

I hope I don't hurt people's feelings, but WinCE is not exactly a success story. Given all the goodwill they can leverage from PC windows, and all those excel/word support, after almost two decades, they still can't figure out how to make a handheld gadget that people want to use.

So the rumor going around is that : it was all Zune that messed up people's careers.

gand41f · 11-26-2007, 02:24 AM

Insiders,

Just a little heads-up regarding PS3 and a possible incompatibility issue at firmware 2.01 with Pixar Shorts:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=24885

In case SCE hasn't been notified.

enjoy
gandalf

JadedRaverLA · 11-26-2007, 02:30 AM

To any insider whoo feels like responding --

I just lost my mind temporarily and made a trek over to AVM$ and was reading through their insider's thread. I remember when PaidGeek left (and many of us Blu-ray fans left with him), and how it was unfortunate, but completely understandable given the circumstances.

So, my question, then, is what did TalkStr8t do to get stuck responding to a never ending stream of FUD over there? Is he contractually obligated to post on that board, or is he just that masochistic? In any event, has anyone offered him an olive branch to come back to the realm of sanity over here. Many people here have real questions... and his input is always valuable.

scragham · 11-26-2007, 02:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

* (paging Dr. House)

lol, but there's been worse than that. far worse.

DaViD Boulet · 11-26-2007, 03:15 PM

One more unrelated note: Roger Dressler confirmed in a thread at AVS that the PS3 does indeed deliver fully decoded Dolby TrueHD via the SPDIF bitstream in 2.0 form when PCM output is forced and a TrueHD soundtrack is played.

dobyblue · 11-26-2007, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

You should read a recent interview with Sir Howard Stringer. He touched on the issue of 3D briefly.

Max, do you or any insider know if Onkyo is planning to announce a Blu-ray player at CES 2008?

PaulGo · 11-26-2007, 05:23 PM

For the insiders: Please pass this along - if you want interactivity with the internet to be successful they players need a wireless internet connection. These days its all about wireless (such as the PS3) - hard wired connections are out of fashion.

Chris Beveridge · 11-26-2007, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulGo

For the insiders: Please pass this along - if you want interactivity with the internet to be successful they players need a wireless internet connection. These days its all about wireless (such as the PS3) - hard wired connections are out of fashion.

I'd say run a poll and provide some discussion to back it up.

Wireless is fine on my iphone. Hardwired is where it's at for my consoles and players.

PaulGo · 11-26-2007, 05:46 PM

I respectfully disagree with you, Aside from techies people will not invest the money or resources to hard wire their house for the internet. In may places such as apartments it may be impossible. I am using two PS3 with wireless and get great results. My son who lives in apartment could not connect his PS3 without wireless. It is very difficult and costly to retrofit a old house for wired connectivity.

Elandyll · 11-26-2007, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Beveridge

I'd say run a poll and provide some discussion to back it up.

Wireless is fine on my iphone. Hardwired is where it's at for my consoles and players.

Wireless just makes plain sense, specially if we think mass market.
Beside people wiring their house to have a hard connection near their large screen HDTV in the living room because they are hardcore gamers, how many average house has a ethernet plug / hub near their TV in the living room?

Frode · 11-26-2007, 05:53 PM

David - you do need a new display unfortunately. The problem is that with LCD shutter glasses at those frequencies you get flicker. Synching the glasses with the display is also a problem, especially with ones that have delays due to the processing chain, and with things like dynamic contrast and the like you may even have a variable delay. Even if you do use a higher refresh rate, most fixed pixel displays can't actually update the image displayed as fast as needed. DLPs and CRTs can, LCD/SXRD and plasma can't.

Zinn · 11-26-2007, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

I'm sorry it isn't my place to make CES2008 announcements, it is up to the companies in question and in this case Onkyo.

But you do know? You just can't/won't say?

elwaylite · 11-26-2007, 06:10 PM

Any comments on ONKYO's decision to drop its HDDVD player because of Toshiba's pricing?

I feel that HDDVD needs the CE support if they are to survive, this does not help them.

JadedRaverLA · 11-26-2007, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elwaylite

Any comments on ONKYO's decision to drop its HDDVD player because of Toshiba's pricing?

I feel that HDDVD needs the CE support if they are to survive, this does not help them.

Whoa! Is this official, now? I've been hearing rumors for most of the year, but haven't seen an official press release or news story. Link?

bferr1 · 11-26-2007, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JadedRaverLA

Whoa! Is this official, now? I've been hearing rumors for most of the year, but haven't seen an official press release or news story. Link?

http://www.google.com/translate?u=ht...&hl=en&ie=UTF8

sphdle1 · 11-26-2007, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulGo

I respectfully disagree with you, Aside from techies people will not invest the money or resources to hard wire their house for the internet. In may places such as apartments it may be impossible. I am using two PS3 with wireless and get great results. My son who lives in apartment could not connect his PS3 without wireless. It is very difficult and costly to retrofit a old house for wired connectivity.

I think all units should have the option of both wired and wireless. That makes them more condusive to all the various environments. Areas where wireless are prevalent will have no problems, and if someone wants to plug their laptop in, or has to hook the unit up via UTP, they can do so. I think wireless is a must, but adding the NIC for a UTP port would cost peanuts to add in...

PaulGo · 11-26-2007, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sphdle1

I think all units should have the option of both wired and wireless. That makes them more condusive to all the various environments. Areas where wireless are prevalent will have no problems, and if someone wants to plug their laptop in, or has to hook the unit up via UTP, they can do so. I think wireless is a must, but adding the NIC for a UTP port would cost peanuts to add in...

I totally agree, that is the model the PS3 uses.

gand41f · 11-26-2007, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bferr1

http://www.google.com/translate?u=ht...&hl=en&ie=UTF8

Whoa! I know it's Google auto-translation but I liked this bit immensely: "not worth it more punishment".

enjoy
gandalf

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11-26-2007, 01:49 AM	#6123
Neo65 Senior Member Member since:Sep 2007	An off-topic comment, but it is likely Zune's execution (and especially the product planning part) has affected many people's careers, it's not just the HDM side. I was skeptical of the ipod, being a long time pocketPC user (along with a ipaq hw6515 phone user for years), but when I had a chance to play with the iphone, I realized how poorly designed the GUI in WinCE and pocketPC was, and gave my old hw6515 to my oldest --- that thing had over $1000 worth of applications installed, including tomtom gps. It's telling that MSFT, in trying to make WinCE a success have had to build their own hardware, first dreamcast, then xbox, then 360, then Zune. In all cases with massive spendings fueled by the windows and office products. I hope I don't hurt people's feelings, but WinCE is not exactly a success story. Given all the goodwill they can leverage from PC windows, and all those excel/word support, after almost two decades, they still can't figure out how to make a handheld gadget that people want to use. So the rumor going around is that : it was all Zune that messed up people's careers.

11-26-2007, 02:24 AM	#6124
gand41f Special Member Member since:May 2007 Location:San Jose, California	Insiders, Just a little heads-up regarding PS3 and a possible incompatibility issue at firmware 2.01 with Pixar Shorts: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=24885 In case SCE hasn't been notified. enjoy gandalf

11-26-2007, 02:30 AM	#6125
JadedRaverLA Power Member Member since:Apr 2007 Blu-ray reviews:2	To any insider whoo feels like responding -- I just lost my mind temporarily and made a trek over to AVM$ and was reading through their insider's thread. I remember when PaidGeek left (and many of us Blu-ray fans left with him), and how it was unfortunate, but completely understandable given the circumstances. So, my question, then, is what did TalkStr8t do to get stuck responding to a never ending stream of FUD over there? Is he contractually obligated to post on that board, or is he just that masochistic? In any event, has anyone offered him an olive branch to come back to the realm of sanity over here. Many people here have real questions... and his input is always valuable.

11-26-2007, 03:15 PM	#6127
DaViD Boulet Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Washington, DC Blu-ray reviews: 1	One more unrelated note: Roger Dressler confirmed in a thread at AVS that the PS3 does indeed deliver fully decoded Dolby TrueHD via the SPDIF bitstream in 2.0 form when PCM output is forced and a TrueHD soundtrack is played.

11-26-2007, 05:23 PM	#6129
PaulGo Power Member Top contributor Member since:Aug 2007 Location:North Potomac, MD	For the insiders: Please pass this along - if you want interactivity with the internet to be successful they players need a wireless internet connection. These days its all about wireless (such as the PS3) - hard wired connections are out of fashion.

11-26-2007, 05:46 PM	#6131
PaulGo Power Member Top contributor Member since:Aug 2007 Location:North Potomac, MD	I respectfully disagree with you, Aside from techies people will not invest the money or resources to hard wire their house for the internet. In may places such as apartments it may be impossible. I am using two PS3 with wireless and get great results. My son who lives in apartment could not connect his PS3 without wireless. It is very difficult and costly to retrofit a old house for wired connectivity.

11-26-2007, 05:53 PM	#6133
Frode Special Member Member since:Feb 2007	David - you do need a new display unfortunately. The problem is that with LCD shutter glasses at those frequencies you get flicker. Synching the glasses with the display is also a problem, especially with ones that have delays due to the processing chain, and with things like dynamic contrast and the like you may even have a variable delay. Even if you do use a higher refresh rate, most fixed pixel displays can't actually update the image displayed as fast as needed. DLPs and CRTs can, LCD/SXRD and plasma can't.

11-26-2007, 06:10 PM	#6135
elwaylite Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Mar 2007	Any comments on ONKYO's decision to drop its HDDVD player because of Toshiba's pricing? I feel that HDDVD needs the CE support if they are to survive, this does not help them.

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