Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (USE SPOILER TAGS!)

[ChainsawJedi]

Originally Posted by aiman04

I have to explain this so many times, even to so called fans. The moment he dropped the cane, he's using the force. And the whole fight was a defense, it was war.

I thought the dropping of the cane was a parallel to The Emperor who relies on a cane throughout ROTJ, making him appear frail and then, at the end, he stands up without the aid of the cane to reveal his true power.

That Yoda allows himself to engage in a duel with Dooku was always seen by me as a failure on his part. The Jedi are not the guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy by this point, they are pawns in Palpatine's plot. Anakin's fall is not the only tragedy in the prequels, the Jedi fall from grace as much as he did. Even when the Jedi appear to have succeeded in doing something in AOTC (as with Obi-wan tracking Jango to Kamino and then to Geonosis) they're actually being unwittingly led by the nose to assist in the start of The Clone Wars.

[ChainsawJedi]

Originally Posted by Elvis

Funny..the original Star Wars films were not "aimed" at kids. They were for adults really (a homage to movie theater serials from long ago), at least until Lucas got the bright idea of trying to market more for kids with "ROTJ".

Ahhh, so all those toys that came out for A New Hope and The empire Strikes Back were for adults? God, I am so dumb.

So, let me get this right. Star Wars is for adults just as the Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon serials and films like Apocalypse Now and The Texas Chain Saw Massacre are for kids, yes? Thank you for your insight. You've just rewritten history.

[ChainsawJedi]

Originally Posted by wormraper

lol, that's awesome. the only I ever did myself was watching "Bullet to the Head". there's a scene where someone mentions bringing Stallone in because it's the law... Stallone just looks at the guy and says "The Law?!" and I just belt out "I AM the LAW!!" there was a bunch of older 40 years olds who must have grown up with Stallone cuz they almost fell out of their seats

You're a real riot in the cinema aren't you? You'd have had a slap upside the head if you'd been sitting next to me.

[ChainsawJedi]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

I saw opening weekend audiences go batshit when Yoda started flipping around -- it wasn't a roar of approval, they were shocked and surprised. OMG WUT M I S33ING? AAAAAAH!

And you know this how?

[R3P0]

Originally Posted by ChainsawJedi

All in your opinion apart from the grammar issue about which, let's face it, one could spend all day criticising Americans. Anyway, you've overlooked one "There are no bounty hunters here that I am aware of" should have been "...of whom I am aware". So you're not as clever as you think

I try to forget as much as I can from Episode II, there is actually about 10 more grammatical mistakes in that movie I just did not feel like typing them all out before bed so nice try.

Originally Posted by ChainsawJedi

I thought the dropping of the cane was a parallel to The Emperor who relies on a cane throughout ROTJ, making him appear frail and then, at the end, he stands up without the aid of the cane to reveal his true power.

That Yoda allows himself to engage in a duel with Dooku was always seen by me as a failure on his part. The Jedi are not the guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy by this point, they are pawns in Palpatine's plot. Anakin's fall is not the only tragedy in the prequels, the Jedi fall from grace as much as he did. Even when the Jedi appear to have succeeded in doing something in AOTC (as with Obi-wan tracking Jango to Kamino and then to Geonosis) they're actually being unwittingly led by the nose to assist in the start of The Clone Wars.

Originally Posted by ChainsawJedi

Ahhh, so all those toys that came out for A New Hope and The empire Strikes Back were for adults? God, I am so dumb.

So, let me get this right. Star Wars is for adults just as the Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon serials and films like Apocalypse Now and The Texas Chain Saw Massacre are for kids, yes? Thank you for your insight. You've just rewritten history.

Originally Posted by ChainsawJedi

You're a real riot in the cinema aren't you? You'd have had a slap upside the head if you'd been sitting next to me.

Originally Posted by ChainsawJedi

And you know this how?

Wow really trying to up that post count there buddy? Multiquote is your friend.

[peckinpah]

Originally Posted by R3P0

Those are the 3 that stand out more then anything in the PT

But in case you wanted more bad dialogue hes 50 more lines that sucked to.

Not to be the guy who points out errors in grammar in a post made by someone pointing out errors in grammar, but, well, there it is.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by wormraper

yeah, you always have people muttering stuff as they leave the theater, but I never see anyone during a movie clapping, cheering or whatnot. usually it's silent except for the people who like to keep a running commentary with their friends.

You should come to Greenwich and watch a movie on a Saturday night with a proper South London crowd. Saw Fast and the Furious 6 with a packed house and it was beyond awesome, it was almost like audience participation at one point there was so much hootin' and a hollerin'.

Just because YOU'VE never experienced such things (do people even laugh when they watch comedies where you are? Just curious) doesn't mean no-else hasn't!

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Elvis

Funny..the original Star Wars films were not "aimed" at kids. They were for adults really (a homage to movie theater serials from long ago), at least until Lucas got the bright idea of trying to market more for kids with "ROTJ".

Oh good, more revisionism. So why did Lucas and Kersh consult child psychologists about the effect that the Vader reveal would have on kids? Why was producer Robert Watts quoted as calling Empire a "toy advert" when they were making it? Et cetera, et cetera...

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by ChainsawJedi

You're a real riot in the cinema aren't you? You'd have had a slap upside the head if you'd been sitting next to me.

*chuckle

Gotta love internet tough guys

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

In approval...or shock and surprise at a character who needs a cane to walk, a character who taught Luke the Force should be used for "knowledge and defense, never for attack" suddenly leaping about like Fo from Battle Arena Toshinden?

It was one of the more depressing and embarrassing moments of Attack of the Clones for me...regardless of the opening night crowd screaming like howler monkeys.

I wrote a whole thing here about how that scene with Yoda was so illogical, but I deleted it because so much in all of these films, including the OT, makes no logical sense. So there's almost no point debating one scene, because the logical failures throughout all the films are massive.

The big question for me is whether Lucas purposely made the Jedi liars and failures, in order to make a comment about organized religion, or whether he didn't even realize that it turned out that way and he still thought that the Jedi were heroes. If it's the former, he's a bigger genius than normally given credit for and if it's the latter, then the story really doesn't work at all.

With the possible exception of Luke at the end of VI, just about everything the Jedi ever did was a complete failure and the only reason Luke was even needed was because of previous Jedi failures. If there was never a Jedi, there never would have been Anakin in a position to become Vader. Of course you could also argue that the Empire didn't even need Vader - they would have found another Sith if there had been no Vader. But if that's the case, then Vader wasn't important - he was just a pawn. When it comes down to it, the Jedi was Dr. Frankenstein and Anakin/Vader was the Frankenstein monster.

I would love it if Episode VII addressed some of these issues - perhaps Luke is in hiding somewhere because he realizes that the Jedi were fools, but I doubt that will be the case. Hopefully the new film has better internal logic than the originals did, especially the PT.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by ChainsawJedi

And you know this how?

Sporting events. Theater. Decades of experience. I know the difference between a crowd cheering in approval and a crowd screaming in surprise.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Sporting events. Theater. Decades of experience. I know the difference between a crowd cheering in approval and a crowd screaming in surprise.

he probably won't be replying now that he's suspended

[006]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

The shows I went to the audience roared in approval from the moment Yoda used to Force to grab his saber and ignite it until Dooku tried to crush Obi-Wan and Anakin.

The display of power was awesome, and when Yoda ignited his lightsaber, it sent chills down my spine. I think it is just the way he flips around that makes it look comical. I understand that he's small and needs an alternate way of fighting, but to me (and a lot of others) it looked silly.

[brps3]

I was always under the impression before the prequels that Palpatine was always a sith lord and not a senator in disquise and Anakin became posessed by the spirit of Darth Vader an ancient sith.

[R3P0]

Originally Posted by wormraper

he probably won't be replying now that he's suspended

Wow that was fast lol

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by brps3

I was always under the impression before the prequels that Palpatine was always a sith lord and not a senator in disquise and Anakin became posessed by the spirit of Darth Vader an ancient sith.

My impression was always very limited, based mostly on the information directly provided in the OT. Everything mentioned by different characters about Anakin in those films was depicted accurately, so I was happy for the most part.

[brps3]

I just thought a more interesting story line would be Palpatine and Anakin find a Sith tomb and get posessed by the spirits of the long dead Siths and thats why they turned evil.

[KubrickKurasawa]

Star Wars was always about Special FX and daddy issues.

There's no where for it to go, but I hope I'm wrong.

[Thomas Guycott]

Originally Posted by brps3

I just thought a more interesting story line would be Palpatine and Anakin find a Sith tomb and get posessed by the spirits of the long dead Siths and thats why they turned evil.

Because personal agency and responsibility for one's actions is such a hindrance when it comes to dramatic storytelling.

[R3P0]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

My impression was always very limited, based mostly on the information directly provided in the OT. Everything mentioned by different characters about Anakin in those films was depicted accurately, so I was happy for the most part.

Except for the part about Anakin hunting down and destroying the jedi, he just killed a few kids that I still dont get.