Fright Night (1985) (30th Anniversary Edition) (Limited Edition) - SOLD OUT

[Hellraiserfan]

Originally Posted by AgentOrange

A limit of 1 would be ridiculous though, considering they already released 3000 and this time there are 5000. A limit of 1 and it might take forever to sell out, especially if the initial surge is slow. At least having a limit of 3 means they should at least sell another 2000 or 3000 pretty quickly.

The 1st one got super valuable because it sold out kind of under the radar, and Twilight Time was still very new. Even if it sells out this time, I bet the resales will be much lower because there are so many more copies now. Look at the Blob, that one seems to be available for like $50 pretty easily. I'm guessing this release will be similar even if it sells out within a week.

As I said before, limit it to 1 in the beginning and depending on how slow or fast it sells adjust it. The fact that there are now 5000 just means scalpers will buy up even more if possible.

Originally Posted by rickah88

It is what it is. As I said, if people didn't pay scalper prices this wouldn't be an issue. TT has their business model, it's been very successful for them, over the years. As a customer you can either purchase, or not.
Of course it you don't, you might have to take your chances on the open market!
TT is in no way at fault here.

Actually they in fact are part of the problem with not limiting it to just 1 copy. To argue that is ****ing ridiculous. As for "if people didn't pay scalper prices...", so if it sells out some huge fans of the movie are just going to have to go without having that movie for the rest of their lives? I'm ready for tomorrow to preorder a copy but if it were to sell out I would end up having to buy from a scumbag on Ebay. I would just wait a fairly long time for them to lower the price since they won't all sell.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by AKORIS

yeah, I kind of figured that. I will be buying this one as it's a favorite but I still hate this practice. I find it so ironic (particularly on this site) that many people defend this biz practice and seemingly have no problem paying $35 for a catalog title, and yet everything else they post (over and over) tripe like "I won't pay over $7.99 for a catlog title"

Some people are just unreasonable. I'm sure they go into a nice steakhouse and balk at the menu prices, and I'm sure the maitre d', politely, shows them the door.
TT is saying here's our product, and here's how much it costs. If you can find this BD somewhere else, feel free, but this is what we are charging so we can stay in business and bring more films to the format.

[shredking9000]

Originally Posted by filmmusic

Have you seen it and not interested or you haven't seen it and still not interested?

Haven't seen it. I want to be interested in it just because of how much discussion/debate/outrage the first blu-ray release generated, but for some reason I couldn't care less.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by Hellraiserfan

Actually they in fact are part of the problem with not limiting it to just 1 copy. To argue that is ****ing ridiculous. As for "if people didn't pay scalper prices...", so if it sells out some huge fans of the movie are just going to have to go without having that movie for the rest of their lives? I'm ready for tomorrow to preorder a copy but if it were to sell out I would end up having to buy from a scumbag on Ebay. I would just wait a fairly long time for them to lower the price since they won't all sell.

Actually they are not. It's their business, they can do whatever they see fit to turn a profit, within the bounds of the law. Which is what they have been doing.
Placing a limit of 1/person is going to piss people off as well. TT is finding a happy medium by placing a limit of 3/person.
You can't please 100% of the people, 100% of the time. TT knows this, so they will continue to do what works for them. Take it or leave it.

[baheidstu]

Originally Posted by AKORIS

yeah, I kind of figured that. I will be buying this one as it's a favorite but I still hate this practice. I find it so ironic (particularly on this site) that many people defend this biz practice and seemingly have no problem paying $35 for a catalog title, and yet everything else they post (over and over) tripe like "I won't pay over $7.99 for a catlog title"

I find it amusing that you make these complaints but still admit you will be buying it anyway. Well, if you want the film on blu-ray and don't want to buy from Twilight Time, here's some alternatives for you. The transfers are from Sony and are region-free.

That goes for anyone else who perpetuates this tiresome rant against Twilight Time.

http://www.amazon.de/Die-rabenschwar...ight+night+blu

https://www.jbhifi.com.au/movies-tv-...-night/616882/

[Hellraiserfan]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Actually they are not. It's their business, they can do whatever they see fit to turn a profit, within the bounds of the law. Which is what they have been doing.
Placing a limit of 1/person is going to piss people off as well. TT is finding a happy medium by placing a limit of 3/person.
You can't please 100% of the people, 100% of the time. TT knows this, so they will continue to do what works for them. Take it or leave it.

This has nothing to do with it being their business and being able to do whatever they want. Of course they can, but it doesn't change the fact that letting people buy 3 copies(or more I'm sure in some cases/films)is basically them saying, come and get 'em scalpers. Of course they have the right to do this and not care about the more honest customers but it's still ****ed. I think TT just maybe shouldn't be getting the rights to certain movies if they are too cheap to mass produce them.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by AKORIS

they could care about the customer however... a film this popular should have no problem selling out. They are doing this deliberatley to create a panic that's already being discussed here forcing people to sit by a computer on the day/minute of the announcement and click pre-order! It just adds to the entire ugly process that Twilight Time revels in....

I've been saying that since day one

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by Hellraiserfan

This has nothing to do with it being their business and being able to do whatever they want. Of course they can, but it doesn't change the fact that letting people buy 3 copies(or more I'm sure in some cases/films)is basically them saying, come and get 'em scalpers. Of course they have the right to do this and not care about the more honest customers but it's still ****ed. I think TT just maybe shouldn't be getting the rights to certain movies if they are too cheap to mass produce them.

Your opinion, which is fine. I don't agree with that at all. I don't think, for one minute, the folks at TT are sitting in a board room discussing various way to "ring the dinner bell" for scalpers. I'm pretty sure they started with higher limits, got a lot of negative feedback, lowered the limit and received much less feedback.
I'll flatter you and let's say TT does go 1/per...any motivated scalper can, easily, circumvent that and still get as many copies as they want. So, in theory, the scalper wins and Joe Average who want to buy an extra copy for friend/family is SOL.
Again, TT is not at fault here. It's their restuarant, it's their menu, it's their established prices/quantites. You can either take it or leave it.
Anyone actually panicking over this, well that's a them problem, not a TT problem.
Methinks some believe Boutique BD labels have an endless supply of resources and can make unlimited BDs. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

[JoeDeM]

Originally Posted by AKORIS

yeah, I kind of figured that. I will be buying this one as it's a favorite but I still hate this practice. I find it so ironic (particularly on this site) that many people defend this biz practice and seemingly have no problem paying $35 for a catalog title, and yet everything else they post (over and over) tripe like "I won't pay over $7.99 for a catlog title"

the people that won't pay over $7.99 are the same people who ask when will it be $5.99, very few of these people buy TT titles. In a perfect world all titles would be unlimited and only cost $5.99, but this isn't a perfect world, and company's are entitled to get what they can, just look at Scream with their Night Breed release.

[Hellraiserfan]

Originally Posted by rickah88

I'll flatter you and let's say TT does go 1/per...any motivated scalper can, easily, circumvent that and still get as many copies as they want. So, in theory, the scalper wins and Joe Average who want to buy an extra copy for friend/family is SOL.
Again, TT is not at fault here. It's their restuarant, it's their menu, it's their established prices/quantites. You can either take it or leave it.
Anyone actually panicking over this, well that's a them problem, not a TT problem.
Methinks some believe Boutique BD labels have an endless supply of resources and can make unlimited BDs. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

I guess a scalper can go around the purchase limit. Which would require using a second email as well as using a 2nd credit card of course. So could the honest buyers who are buying a friend/family member a copy instead of doing what I would do. Which is tell them when it's going up for preorder so they can get it themselves. Unless it's the rare chance it's for a surprise gift.

Although it may seem like it, I'm not panicking over this, I just call out bullshit when I see it at times.

As for your last comment, well, reread the last comment in my previous post. Maybe they shouldn't get the rights to certain movies if they can't mass produce them like 99% of other films released on Blu.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by Hellraiserfan

I guess a scalper can go around the purchase limit. Which would require using a second email as well as using a 2nd credit card of course. So could the honest buyers who are buying a friend/family member a copy instead of doing what I would do...tell them when it's going up for preorder so they can get it themselves. Unless it's the rare chance it's for a surprise gift.

Although it may seem like it, I'm not panicking over this, I just call out bullshit when I see it at times.

As for your last comment, well, reread the last comment in my previous post. Maybe they shouldn't get the rights to certain movies if they can't mass produce them like 99% of other films released on Blu.

I'm sure TT would love to cater to every potential buyer on the planet, but they just don't have the time/resources to do so. So they have imposed limits in the hopes of satisfying as many customers as they can. Remember we already established it's impossible to please 100% of the customers, 100% of the time.
TT is putting out films that most US studios wouldn't bother to touch. So, if you look at it from that angle they are doing a great service for the HV enthusiast.
Clearly you have an axe to grind with TT, and I'm not here to change that, as it's your opinion. I'm just saying TT does a heck of lot more good than they do bad. That's all.
Also, as a customer you have the option to never buy from them. So I don't see how this is still an issue with people these days. You don't like TT, fine, there's the door. Everybody wins.

[baheidstu]

Originally Posted by Hellraiserfan

I guess a scalper can go around the purchase limit. Which would require using a second email as well as using a 2nd credit card of course. So could the honest buyers who are buying a friend/family member a copy instead of doing what I would do. Which is tell them when it's going up for preorder so they can get it themselves. Unless it's the rare chance it's for a surprise gift.

Although it may seem like it, I'm not panicking over this, I just call out bullshit when I see it at times.

As for your last comment, well, reread the last comment in my previous post. Maybe they shouldn't get the rights to certain movies if they can't mass produce them like 99% of other films released on Blu.

Sony licenced the title to Twilight Time. The 3000 copies sold out like hotcakes. Despite this, Sony decided the title STILL wasn't worth releasing themselves and re-licenced it AGAIN to Twilight Time.

Those who didn't get a copy the first time around are getting a second chance. It will still likely sell out quickly, but there should be enough copies kicking around after the go-live date for anyone who wants a copy to get one. For anyone who refuses to buy from Twilight Time or is unfortunate enough to miss out, I've already posted links to a couple releases outside North America.

[AKORIS]

Originally Posted by JoeDeM

the people that won't pay over $7.99 are the same people who ask when will it be $5.99, very few of these people buy TT titles. In a perfect world all titles would be unlimited and only cost $5.99, but this isn't a perfect world, and company's are entitled to get what they can, just look at Scream with their Night Breed release.

that's fine and well but the fact remains that in virtually every other case from Criterion to Scream (specialty retailers) you can get a sale price once in awhile... you cannot with Twilight (other than one time when they lowered prices on lower selling inventory).

I am not one of those cheapskates that i'm referring to, I usually am good with $10 for catalog titles, $20 for Criterion and Scream, etc. It would be nice to be able to "buy any title I want" from Twilight but I can't at $35 a crack.

I realize that it's their business and that "it is what it is" but I still can say i don't care for it.

For the record I have paid the price for ROLLERBALL and HARD TIMES so far and will again for FRIGHT NIGHT. It just makes me sad that I can't get all the others that I want as well

[StingingVelvet]

I think 3 per customer is perfect. Resellers are limited in how many they buy and yet you can still get a few for collecting purposes or for friends and family.

[Hellraiserfan]

Originally Posted by rickah88

I'm sure TT would love to cater to every potential buyer on the planet, but they just don't have the time/resources to do so. So they have imposed limits in the hopes of satisfying as many customers as they can. Remember we already established it's impossible to please 100% of the customers, 100% of the time.
TT is putting out films that most US studios wouldn't bother to touch. So, if you look at it from that angle they are doing a great service for the HV enthusiast.
Clearly you have an axe to grind with TT, and I'm not here to change that, as it's your opinion. I'm just saying TT does a heck of lot more good than they do bad. That's all.
Also, as a customer you have the option to never buy from them. So I don't see how this is still an issue with people these days. You don't like TT, fine, there's the door. Everybody wins.

Of course you can't please everyone 100% of the time, I'm just surprised that this film wasn't released wide by the original studio considering it's a pretty damn well known and popular film. At least when it comes to the horror genre.

To be honest it's nothing personal with TT, I've purchased three movies from them in the past, and I do understand that financially it's a smart move for them. Releasing just enough copies to where they won't have leftovers which is money wasted/lack of profit.

[AKORIS]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

I think 3 per customer is perfect. Resellers are limited in how many they buy and yet you can still get a few for collecting purposes or for friends and family.

yeah but can't they create different accounts with different e-mail addresses and then buy numerous copies? Surely scalpers that do this have no ethics in most cases.....

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by AKORIS

yeah but can't they create different accounts with different e-mail addresses and then buy numerous copies? Surely scalpers that do this have no ethics in most cases.....

Sure, but they could do that with any limit. In the end you balance the limit to try and curb reselling while also allowing for customer convenience.

[JoeDeM]

Originally Posted by AKORIS

that's fine and well but the fact remains that in virtually every other case from Criterion to Scream (specialty retailers) you can get a sale price once in awhile... you cannot with Twilight (other than one time when they lowered prices on lower selling inventory).

I am not one of those cheapskates that i'm referring to, I usually am good with $10 for catalog titles, $20 for Criterion and Scream, etc. It would be nice to be able to "buy any title I want" from Twilight but I can't at $35 a crack.

I realize that it's their business and that "it is what it is" but I still can say i don't care for it.

For the record I have paid the price for ROLLERBALL and HARD TIMES so far and will again for FRIGHT NIGHT. It just makes me sad that I can't get all the others that I want as well

I was not referring to you as a cheapskate, so that we are clear, I know you have called out others as being a cheapskate in the past. TT do have a kind of sale/promo every month with their signed free copy when you spend $100, but in this case it will likely sellout before the next promo, it's not a sale in the true sense, but it is better than nothing.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by Hellraiserfan

Of course you can't please everyone 100% of the time, I'm just surprised that this film wasn't released wide by the original studio considering it's a pretty damn well known and popular film. At least when it comes to the horror genre.

To be honest it's nothing personal with TT, I've purchased three movies from them in the past, and I do understand that financially it's a smart move for them. Releasing just enough copies to where they won't have leftovers which is money wasted/lack of profit.

I guess if TT had a little more flexibility, earlier on, with the quantity they could release, perhaps a lot of the issues people have with them would not have transpired?
To their credit, they are going out and getting another 5k copies, so in a sense TT is devaluing all the previous copies out there. So there's that.
Also if brisk sales of this release help fund another project(or three), regardless if it's something I like, I'm still happy. It means a film that might not have been released(in the US) will get a release. A little pricey? Yes, but it beats the alternative which is nothing.
There are times in life where you just have to pick your poison and compromise. If I've learned anything from all these years of marriage it's how to compromise!

[Hellraiserfan]

Originally Posted by rickah88

I guess if TT had a little more flexibility, earlier on, with the quantity they could release, perhaps a lot of the issues people have with them would not have transpired?
To their credit, they are going out and getting another 5k copies, so in a sense TT is devaluing all the previous copies out there. So there's that.
Also if brisk sales of this release help fund another project(or three), regardless if it's something I like, I'm still happy. It means a film that might not have been released(in the US) will get a release. A little pricey? Yes, but it beats the alternative which is nothing.
There are times in life where you just have to pick your poison and compromise. If I've learned anything from all these years of marriage it's how to compromise!

Right on.

Sorry if I came off a bit hostile or assholish earlier. I'm having a bad day and I kind of wear my emotions on my sleeve as they say. I need to not post on the internet when i'm pissed off or irritable.